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I appreciated the tomatoes growing from trees, presumably as a reference to the debate about what the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil "really" was. They showed the tomato trees in the first ep and then made sure to frame them in the same shot as crucified Veidt getting them smushed in his face.
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Mike the TV posted:Except that when stricken by amnesia, he still has all of his powers, he just doesn't know that he has them. So someone could eat the drat egg and be normal until a traumatic event. Let's take this a step further: why does Veidt's amnesia device look like the earrings Jon had made for Janey Slater and later gave to Laurie? Earrings come in pairs.
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misguided rage posted:Because he "was always going to do that", and this is a meaningful distinction because _____________ Why was he going into the bar if not to meet Angela? He made a choice to do that specifically because of what he experienced in the future. He saw something occur and changed his behavior because of that, how could he not do the same for the cannon or whatever it was.
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he was always in that bar, he was always in love with angela. he never knew why because of the veidt-device... and I'm not sure he knows what's on the other side of that cannon. curiousity is the one thing a god lacks. those are the two last things in the universe he doesn't know.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:post credit scene lube man, sitting on his throne of astroglide bottles begins to glow blue while letters rearrange themselves from LUBE MAN to BLUE MAN  This is sticking the landing.
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Has anyone ever managed to read all the way through Dan’s article about owls when rereading the book? I never have and always forget that it exists.
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I have, sure. Couldn't tell ya anything about it off the top of my head though. Helpful, I know.
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I don’t remember specifics but know this: Dan is a nerd.
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This Thread: wow this episode really dropped the ball i thought this show was about race relations and had something important to say Also This Thread: what do you mean there was a black jesus!?!?!?!
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socialsecurity posted:This is why I don't like the arguments against him stopping the cannon because he "can't change his behavior based on what he is experiencing in the future" because the episode starts with him going into a bar to meet Angela because he knew they would date. I agree that complaining about the cannon is stupid but reading your sentence made me realize just now that HE DOES change his behavior based on what he is experiencing in the future when he asks HJ about Judd
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Dec 11, 2019 03:00
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I guess what it comes down to is I would liked the moment a lot better if he had been shot immediately after saying "Sorry, no." instead of allowing for a dramatic pause so the audience and the characters could realize what was about to happen.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Also This Thread: what do you mean there was a black jesus!?!?!?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQfjiwv41kc
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Dec 11, 2019 03:11
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Im not understanding whats so unbelievable about Angela starting to date Manhattan when Ive known some real knobs whove dated far more stable women. And yes, I am one of those knobs.
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upgunned shitpost posted:all the people getting dunked on by zaphod should really re-think their posting careers 
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upgunned shitpost posted:if stealing a dead guy from the morgue and engaging in twenty years of identity theft ain't love, I'm not sure what is. sister night loved the blue man first. Hmm you might be on to something. Maybe Angela’s moment was when Jon showed up with a device to neuter his god like abilities just so he could be with her? On the other hand it wasn’t explicitly stated two to three times so that’s probably not it. loving mystery box bullshit! They probably just laid lowed until ashes over Saigon
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:This Thread: wow this episode really dropped the ball i thought this show was about race relations and had something important to say I love Black Jesus. But, now that a second actor from the show has died, I'm pretty sure we won't get another season. It's just as well, I guess. This last season had a bunch of on-screen miracle stuff, and I didn't care for that.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:This Thread: wow this episode really dropped the ball i thought this show was about race relations and had something important to say Some of the posters that didn't notice the clear Jesus link were the ones saying the episode was good. I don't really know how they missed it though, sort of slapped you in the face with the "walking on water" bit. upgunned shitpost posted:all the people getting dunked on by zaphod should really re-think their posting careers You really think he dunked on them? 
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Dec 11, 2019 04:34
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Ok so Dr. Manhattan said it was "important for later" that he be walking on water, right? Maybe some time fuckery will result in him being actually literally Jesus, and a previously unknown part of the story of Christ is playing out in front of us?
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Martman posted:Ok so Dr. Manhattan said it was "important for later" that he be walking on water, right? Well just a little bit after he says that, he flashbacks to the egg he made. This is important because he says someone could "inherit his powers" if they consumed something that contains his atomic attributes. Right after that, Angela makes a joke like: "So you're saying I could eat your egg and start walking on water?" A lot of people are taking that to mean that Angela will eat a magic waffle and thereby attain Dr. M powers. I personally think that the "inheritance" language implies that Topher will eat the waffle and that Angela will see him walk on water (or, like, magically save himself from drowning), and she'll realize he is now carrying on Dr. Manhattan's "legacy" (Trieu's phrasing, when she visited the egg farm in Ep 4). Plus, it's been shown already that the kids love waffles (after the Judd Death talk). And then in the end, Topher will show us that the future isn't actually pre-destined, he can actually do what he wants to make mankind better (and Jon Ostermann was ultimately just a lovely centrist) EDIT: I'll say that my main issue with my own theory is that Jon says he would never "pass on his powers without someone's consent," so I wonder if the magic waffle keeps the powers dormant until a life-threatening situation or if he somehow clearly signals that the waffle is magic. Jay-V fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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I wonder if we'll hear about that meteor that hit that bit of farmland that Lady Trieu had just bought a few moments prior to when it landed?
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It would be pretty lame if Topher turned out to be the key to this whole thing after barely being in the show at all so far.tarlibone posted:I wonder if we'll hear about that meteor that hit that bit of farmland that Lady Trieu had just bought a few moments prior to when it landed? That was Veidt arriving on the Europa Express.
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tarlibone posted:I wonder if we'll hear about that meteor that hit that bit of farmland that Lady Trieu had just bought a few moments prior to when it landed? Almost definitely. Veidt told Dr. M that it was a "little elephant" who told him that Dr. M was on Europa, meaning that Trieu is 99% likely to be the person he was trying to communicate with via the message for the satellite ("Save Me D" -- probably "Daughter"). Think we know by now that Veidt's storyline happens before the rest of the plot, so the meteor was probably Veidt; she knew it would land on the farm because she's the one who planned the rescue mission.
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Stolen from Reddit, hail lube man https://imgur.com/6Ffrwx9
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Question, only Dr. M knew that Veidt was on Europa before Veidt's SOS, but presumably (maybe there's proof otherwise) the squidfalls continued for 10 years since 2009 when Manhattan sent him away with basically 0 warning. Does this imply Dr. M was continuing to do the squidfall somehow (even tho he forgot his powers), or maybe it was just Adrian's week to throw some squids into a portal, next week it'll be someone else in the gov't??
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Jay-V posted:Question, only Dr. M knew that Veidt was on Europa before Veidt's SOS, but presumably (maybe there's proof otherwise) the squidfalls continued for 10 years since 2009 when Manhattan sent him away with basically 0 warning. Does this imply Dr. M was continuing to do the squidfall somehow (even tho he forgot his powers), or maybe it was just Adrian's week to throw some squids into a portal, next week it'll be someone else in the gov't?? Veidt saying "a little elephant told me" suggests he's already in contact with Trieu in 2009, which mean she's probably aware of the fabricated attacks, I would say it's pretty likely that she took over the operation.
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Jay-V posted:Well just a little bit after he says that, he flashbacks to the egg he made. This is important because he says someone could "inherit his powers" if they consumed something that contains his atomic attributes. Right after that, Angela makes a joke like: "So you're saying I could eat your egg and start walking on water?" The first time we see Angela she's cracking eggs into a bowl and separating them. Probably symbolic of someone (either her or Topher) inheriting some of Manhattan's abilities without the complete alienation from mankind.
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Jay-V posted:Well just a little bit after he says that, he flashbacks to the egg he made. This is important because he says someone could "inherit his powers" if they consumed something that contains his atomic attributes. Right after that, Angela makes a joke like: "So you're saying I could eat your egg and start walking on water?" Again, the show makes a real big deal about how Jon doesn't have his manhattan powers ONLY because he forgets he has them, BUT he also can use them in a moment of self-defense instinct. Cal uses Manhattan powers once on the 7K even though he doesn't know he's Manhattan. Angela is gonna be about to die and then realize she's already manhattan. Its not that she eats the waffle, she ate the waffle 30 years ago.
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Maybe the waffle is just a metaphor for his sperm?
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"Heaven isn't enough, because heaven doesn't need me."
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Y'all are gonna be real disappointed when there's no Silver Squirter in the finale. Also, not many actors can muster an exasperated "motherfucker" quite like Regina King, eh?
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Gallant realizes he has missed an important part of the show and asks his friends for clarification.Tender Bender posted:Anyway the main reason I'm dissatisfied with Manhattan isn't because of plot holes it's because I don't really see how he ties into the themes of America's repeated exploitation and erasure of non-white labor and suffering, and generational trauma. I'm interested in someone explaining it to me though because with the whole omnipotence and omniscience thing I'm sure it does connect and I'm missing something obvious. Goofus gets irrationally mad at the show because he is Bad at watching TV. mcbexx posted:Lol, they showed a 7C squad coming for him 3 episodes ago (and in the "previously on ..." this episode) without getting back to that in any way.  GoGoGadgetChris posted:Nobody "hate watches". It's fine and fun to point out the Weaknesses of a show in addition to its Strengths. Unless you get royalties based on the rotten tomato score I'd say just don't get too pissy when someone gives your show a 9.0 instead of a 10! Fly Ricky posted:I respectfully disagree. Dad jokes are the only thing keeping me entertained with this series, and I've invested too much time to not see the impenetrable references in the finale. The REAL Goobusters posted:This encapsulates exactly how I feel. I am just perplexed how anyone in this thread thinks it’s good  It never ceases to amaze me the amount of mental gymnastics white men are willing to perform to deny rorschach is a misogynistic, racist, homophobe. It's endlessly entertaining while simultaneously filling me with a deep sadness. Supreme Allah posted:From the trailers there's obviously a Cult of Rorschach. Count me on that side of the situations.    shout out to the super pedant who's real mad doc, to our knowledge, didnt leave the galaxy and finally, why would a wizard get in a fist fight? King Of Coons fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Jay-V posted:Almost definitely. Veidt told Dr. M that it was a "little elephant" who told him that Dr. M was on Europa, meaning that Trieu is 99% likely to be the person he was trying to communicate with via the message for the satellite ("Save Me D" -- probably "Daughter"). Travel from Europa is not instantaneous unless Dr Manhattan is doing it. Why did Trieu wait until the absolute last second to buy the land? She had enough time to make the baby for the couple. She knew that the object was coming and where it would land.
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Travel from Europa is not instantaneous unless Dr Manhattan is doing it. Maybe she's Doctor Namhattan
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High-pressure sales technique. It took time to make the baby, anyway.
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What was it that saw veidt's corpse message...a space probe he knew would be passing at that moment, or a satellite installed to orbit around Europa?
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WHY BONER NOW posted:What was it that saw veidt's corpse message...a space probe he knew would be passing at that moment, or a satellite installed to orbit around Europa? A little elephant.
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Dr. M explicitly says he wouldn't give someone the burden of his powers without their consent so I sincerely doubt Topher eats a blue waffle. Also the kids are at the movies with their great grandpa so they're not waking up and going downstairs at all. They're completely removed from the situation. Obviously Lube Man=Blue Man is the correct prediction.
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