colachute posted:Ok, I think it is stupid for them to be lopsided and inefficient. In order to train to a level where cops from different units can operate at even basic levels of military standards would require pulling tons of people off the streets for days or weeks. Departments simply can't afford to do that. Hell, most departments you're lucky to get room clearing training every five years.
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Smiling Jack posted:In order to train to a level where cops from different units can operate at even basic levels of military standards would require pulling tons of people off the streets for days or weeks. Departments simply can't afford to do that. Hell, most departments you're lucky to get room clearing training every five years. I don’t think any of this is the job of the police other than specialized units (SWAT, HRT). Cops don’t need to meet military standards. If you cant do it right don’t do it at all. Just because departments are broke isn’t an excuse for lovely police work. Stop making excuses for being bad and lobby for more funding or something. But stop being bad regardless of funding.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:41
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This all seems like some ticky tacky poo poo to critique for people who were headed into a firefight in the middle of a regular day in a civilian environment.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:44
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colachute posted:I don’t think any of this is the job of the police other than specialized units (SWAT, HRT). Cops don’t need to meet military standards. They did do it right. Sorry if "too many cops on one wall" is some sort of critical failure for you.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:This all seems like some ticky tacky poo poo to critique for people who were headed into a firefight in the middle of a regular day in a civilian environment. I can only imagine they're highly disappointed the cops didn't shoot the hostages this time. Probably had posts ready to go and they have to fall back on fashion critiques.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:46
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Smiling Jack posted:They did do it right. Sorry if "too many cops on one wall" is some sort of critical failure for you. Do you see them pulling security across the street in that back group? Why are they doing that? For the guy who would just need one spray across the wall to smoke several of them? I’m literally arguing in favor of their safety lol Yes, that is a critical failure.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:47
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colachute posted:I don’t think any of this is the job of the police other than specialized units (SWAT, HRT). Cops don’t need to meet military standards. Why do you want to let the terrorist shoot up a jewish deli so badly, cole?
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Dec 11, 2019 22:47
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Chichevache posted:Why do you want to let the terrorist shoot up a jewish deli so badly, cole? This is the problem with cops. I never said that but you wish I did so you could get angry and shoot someone. Congrats on being a stereotype I guess.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:48
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I'm sorry your level of training has led to a photograph that can only be described as a machine gunner's wet dream.Chichevache posted:Why do you want to let the terrorist shoot up a jewish deli so badly, cole? lol guy
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Viva Miriya posted:I'm sorry your level of training has led to a photograph that can only be described as a machine gunner's wet dream. look if we've hit the point where there's a second shooter with a machine gun around the corner from where you've got the shooter contained we are about to have a real bad fuckin day no matter how much training we get
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colachute posted:This is the problem with cops. I never said that but you wish I did so you could get angry and shoot someone. Congrats on being a stereotype I guess. pet your dog
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Dec 11, 2019 22:52
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Smiling Jack posted:look if we've hit the point where there's a second shooter with a machine gun around the corner from where you've got the shooter contained we are about to have a real bad fuckin day no matter how much training we get If you’re at the point where you can reliably predict the situation then you don’t need an army of cops anyway. Just sit back and tell the future.
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Chichevache posted:Why do you want to let the terrorist shoot up a jewish deli so badly, cole? Holy poo poo dude.
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Smiling Jack posted:look if we've hit the point where there's a second shooter with a machine gun around the corner from where you've got the shooter contained we are about to have a real bad fuckin day no matter how much training we get I'm just saying that poo poo is funny to see in the wild. It's like "of course they would do that." I'm not expecting anything else. At least they didn't use civilians for cover this time.
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colachute posted:If you’re at the point where you can reliably predict the situation then you don’t need an army of cops anyway. Just sit back and tell the future. most police work is chutzpah and luck
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Dec 11, 2019 22:54
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Smiling Jack posted:Oh look it's the fashion police why do they even own plate carriers like that to begin with.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:55
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Smiling Jack posted:most police work is chutzpah and luck But you have the ability to control a lot of the situation, e.g. not setting yourself up as an easy target. It’s weird how since I’m ACAB that even arguing for cops to keep themselves safer is somehow wrong. Are you just telling me that they physically cannot keep themselves from stacking like idiots?
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Dec 11, 2019 22:56
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McNally posted:Holy poo poo dude. Sorry, but Cole is really bugging me by saying these dudes shouldnt even respond to an active shooter targeting a minority group. Like, is his brain really that broken?
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Dec 11, 2019 22:56
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Chichevache posted:Sorry, but Cole is really bugging me by saying these dudes shouldnt even respond to an active shooter targeting a minority group. Like, is his brain really that broken? If you can spot where I said they shouldn’t have responded, I’ll donate $100 to a charity of your choice. Otherwise, shut the gently caress up. Oh my “if they can’t do it right” comment? Do you admit they can’t do it right? E: also you’ve been a prick to me for like a week, don’t act like this is new. colachute fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:why do they even own plate carriers like that to begin with. wow I don't know, not like there haven't been multiple shootings with high powered rifles at schools, churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, movie theaters, public spaces and just about everywhere else America has chosen to live in a heavily armed society, until you fix that, giving cops body armor that can stop that level of threat seems like a good idea. I get all the objections to militarizing police, but this type of incident is what that poo poo is for
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Melthir posted:Y'all are just screaming past each other honestly every cop thread since I started answering questions in CotB threads in D&D a decade ago having flashbacks
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Dec 11, 2019 22:59
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colachute posted:If you can spot where I said they shouldn’t have responded, I’ll donate $100 to a charity of your choice. Dude, you said "if you cant do it right dont do it at all". What else is that supposed to mean when we are talking about people in a non war zone responding to an active shooter? You constantly bitch about the militarization of police, but here you are whining that these civilians aren't responding like soldiers. Which way do you want it?
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Dec 11, 2019 23:01
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Chichevache posted:Sorry, but Cole is really bugging me by saying these dudes shouldnt even respond to an active shooter targeting a minority group. Like, is his brain really that broken? He's saying you guys shouldn't suck so much.
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colachute posted:But you have the ability to control a lot of the situation, e.g. not setting yourself up as an easy target. honestly I'm just impressed they're all behind hard cover
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Chichevache posted:Dude, you said "if you cant do it right dont do it at all". What else is that supposed to mean when we are talking about people in a non war zone responding to an active shooter? You constantly bitch about the militarization of police, but here you are whining that these civilians aren't responding like soldiers. Which way do you want it? So they can’t do it right? And if we are playing this game: Chichevache posted:Why do you want to let the terrorist shoot up a jewish deli so badly, cole? Then why do you want a bunch of cops to be easy pickings for someone? Why do you want police to die? (This type of argument is loving stupid you idiot.)
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If they can’t do it right, which you are implying since you’re backing me into the “then they shouldn’t do it at all” corner, then they are unqualified to do their job, no?
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guys what happens if a concerned citizin (TM) exercising their second amendment rights shows up to a scene and starts blasting cops bc they look like a wanna be airforce cosplay group
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Chichevache posted:Why do you want to let the terrorist shoot up a jewish deli so badly, cole? It's a real wonder that people intensely dislike cops when those same cops are antagonistic towards anyone that questions/disagrees with them.
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colachute posted:If they can’t do it right, which you are implying since you’re backing me into the “then they shouldn’t do it at all” corner, then they are unqualified to do their job, no? Which job? Social work? Domestic violence? Traffic enforcement? Violence suppression? Conflict mediation? Investigation and preservation of evidence? The initial response to these situations is always overwhelming and chaotic as units self deploy and show up with improper and incomplete information. Managing to pin these two psychopaths in one location and maintaining firearms control is doing it right in my opinion, and having too many cops in one area is not a critical failure.
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Waroduce posted:guys what happens if a concerned citizin (TM) exercising their second amendment rights shows up to a scene and starts blasting cops bc they look like a wanna be airforce cosplay group something we actually worry about. NYPD orders plainclothes off the scene as soon as possible, and plainclothes are required to carry hi-vis jackets in the car. Jersey should consider the same standards.
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Smiling Jack posted:Which job? Social work? Domestic violence? I don’t think beating your wife counts as a job dude (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Smiling Jack posted:Which job? Social work? Domestic violence? Traffic enforcement? Violence suppression? Conflict mediation? Investigation and preservation of evidence? quote:The initial response to these situations is always overwhelming and chaotic as units self deploy and show up with improper and incomplete information. Managing to pin these two psychopaths in one location and maintaining firearms control is doing it right in my opinion, and having too many cops in one area is not a critical failure. They didn’t need to all be stacked on a wall like that. It is unnecessarily unsafe, especially if they felt necessary to watch across the street. I am sorry that you think the correct method is to add unnecessary danger to the officers, and then blame it on funding. We don’t seem like we will agree here. But just know that my whole point is that the officers were in danger they didn’t need to be in.
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colachute posted:If they can’t do it right, which you are implying since you’re backing me into the “then they shouldn’t do it at all” corner, then they are unqualified to do their job, no? No one is forcing you to post or backing you into a corner. You chose to make that statement and you know drat well what you meant. Stop trying to walk it back.
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Shooting Blanks posted:It's a real wonder that people intensely dislike cops when those same cops are antagonistic towards anyone that questions/disagrees with them. Cole isn't a cop.
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Chichevache posted:Cole isn't a cop. I was talking about you. I'm sorry that has to be pointed out.
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Chichevache posted:No one is forcing you to post or backing you into a corner. You chose to make that statement and you know drat well what you meant. Stop trying to walk it back. Ok here is what I said: “If they can’t do it right they shouldn’t do it at all.” Which means they shouldn’t respond if they can’t do it right. Which you turned into me wanting Jewish people shot.. or something. It sounds like you’re agreeing with me that they can’t do their jobs correctly in the context of this emergency situation?
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“If they can’t do it right they shouldn’t respond” “WHY DONT YOU WANT THEM TO RESPOND???” Lmfao that says a lot about what you think about a cop’s ability dude.
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