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OwlFancier posted:The liberal democrats and the scottish national party do not have the option of not cooperating with labour, because if labour do not form a government we're brexiting in january, and that would obliterate both of their voting bases. Opposition to brexit is the core of both their platforms. Definitely can see how if the Tories need both the Liberals and SNP to form a government they may be unable to, but if they only need Liberal support isn't there a good chance they will try to get it?
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OwlFancier posted:They'll probably be glad of the help as long as you don't seem like a tory, which given you're not likely to be fondling yourself while saying yeaarrsss a lot isn't hard. Thank you! Braggart posted:Hey peeps, did you know we're an international inspiration? gently caress you. ('cause I'm actually tearing up right now.)
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Just want to add as another  it's really inspiring to see the mostly positive attitude in this thread, such a different feel than 2017.I won't say i've retired the 'hope is a lie' meme but all the stories of people going out campaigning and the sheer enthusiasm among younger voters really is a great thing, and no matter what tomorrow brings I hope it continues.  all round - give it your best folks and know it is truly appreciated, you are doing good things.E:vv Agreeing with the Debbie/Owl etc, the Lib Dem/SNP base is firmly Remain, I can't see how they could try allying with the Tories and not piss their voters off like tuition fees 2.0. Laradus fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:This seems to assume that the Tories are hardliners who will give up control of government to Labour rather than make concessions to Liberals. That would be the nail in the coffin for the LibDems right? I don't doubt they'd do it, but it would be a tough sell with the FBPE base
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:This seems to assume that the Tories are hardliners who will give up control of government to Labour rather than make concessions to Liberals. The tories can't make concessions to the liberals without stopping brexit. Like the liberal platform is 100% stop brexit, the tory platform is 100% do brexit. These two can't be reconciled and if they are it's because the liberals abandoned their only policy for coalition again, not the other way around. Which, I mean, is possible but I think it's less likely than them trying to stop brexit, taking some of the credit, and then also benefitting from the tory collapse and the extra youth registration to become a part of the opposition where they can be as economically right wing as they want and vote with the tories. It's good for them as a party to do that. They may, of course, pick the stupidest option again, but it's by no means the one that's best for them. The liberals have a chance here to seriously distance themselves from the tories, pick up youth support again, and probably make some major gains towards building their trust as the economically right, but pro european party. The wonderful center that all the press people crave. All they have to do is kill the tories.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:So, some of the analysis posted here of what might happen tomorrow seem to point to the likelihood of a hung parliament and a Labour minority government and, just curious what is the level of justified vs unjustified optimism there? By that I mean, the Liberal Democrats have repeatedly stated that they will not cooperate with Labour under any circumstances, even for C&S if I'm not mistaken, but the unspoken assumption on a minority Labour government is that Labour would get exactly that cooperation, instead of the Libs forming a coalition with the Tories again, isn't it? Isn't that kind of naive though? I think if Labour form a minority government there's more likely to be a C&S with the SNP. This does make a problem for England only legislation which the SNP don't vote on. But perhaps after a few months the LibDems might see sense. They're not all squirrel bashers.
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This election has been a real ride for me. I went from not being involved at all earlier this year to attending a couple of local meetings, doing a bit of data entry and then suddenly I'm running boards, organising mass mailings and tomorrow I will be a committee room lead coordinating 20-30 people in getting out the vote and then going on to be a counting agent! I've gotten to meet so many passionate and wonderful people and its really driven home regardless of the outcome of tomorrow, there is a solid base within Labour which will continue fighting until we get a progressive Labour government. Giving into despair and disillusion is the worst thing that we can do as it suppresses us and the parasites that leech off of us know this and use it against us - I will not let this happen and instead channel these feelings into anger against those that wrong us and passion. If we don't win tomorrow then we will try harder the next time and then again the time after that and so on until we get in. chestnut santabag fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:The tories can't make concessions to the liberals without stopping brexit. Like the liberal platform is 100% stop brexit, the tory platform is 100% do brexit. These two can't be reconciled and if they are it's because the liberals abandoned their only policy for coalition again, not the other way around.
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I see the LibDems voting down a BoJo queens speech, which may very well happen, but refusing to vote actively for a Labour one - probably abstention - meaning Labour would need Lab + SNP + Green + PC (+SDLP+APNI depending what happens) to be greater than Tories + DUP (who wont vote for a Boris government but absolutely aint gonna vote for Corbyn) to get a minority government past its first hurdle. I mean very technically in the case of failure we would immediately go to a new election but considering the giant ticking Brexit clock it's obvious the LibDems are banking on the pressing need to form a government leading to some kind of informateur/formateur variant to lead all party discussions for a limited referendum only programme of government/queens speech
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bump_fn posted:no said she would coalition with tories if they got a second referendum lol I guess that could be maximum stupid option rather than support a labour led referendum vs soft brexit. Because obviously they'd lose again but they don't know that. Look if I was a liberal that's what I'd do, support labour to block brexit, get all my mates in the press to back my sensible pragmatism, extend the franchise, then try to pick up as many votes as possible and spend a while on the opposition benches voting with the tories but claiming to be the sensible ones. But then if I was a liberal I'd also be thicker so maybe I wouldn't do that.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Election today, chaps. We're gonna remember today for the rest of our lives.
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Maugrim posted:I would genuinely not be surprised if the Tories became a minority party within the next decade or so, replaced either by the lib dems or a new "moderate" party. Their brand is so tainted now and the demographics will continue to move against them. Having labor add another to their body count would make me nut
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OwlFancier posted:I guess that could be maximum stupid option rather than support a labour led referendum vs soft brexit. Really loving risky for the tories tho
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Soundtrack to go to the polling station for the comrades since I can't go myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqFISER9fVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CW6l-A1rnk
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Gum posted:Really loving risky for the tories tho Less risky than the alternative, if the tories don't get a majority and labour puts brexit to bed the tories are hosed. Likely leadership election and they've got nobody, and no policies, and the lib dems snapping at their heels for the one nation tory vote.
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Maugrim posted:I would genuinely not be surprised if the Tories became a minority party within the next decade or so, replaced either by the lib dems or a new "moderate" party. Their brand is so tainted now and the demographics will continue to move against them. Yeah, they're already a 3rd party amongst the young and it's hard to see that changing
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:That would be the nail in the coffin for the LibDems right? I don't doubt they'd do it, but it would be a tough sell with the FBPE base So at that point it's just a matter of whether they can sell it to their base. Or, more accurately, if they think they can sell it to their base. And, actually, I think they probably can? And I think they probably would think that they could, as well. Remember we're probably not talking about "we do Brexit" here but rather a compromise with the Tories for a 2nd referendum not unlike what Labour is already proposing outright. I mean you could probably get a compromise there that is identical to the letter to what Labour is already proposing, and people who hate the idea coming from Labour will warm to it when it's coming from the Libs, because a lot of their outrage is performative anyway. So they'd do that, the referendum would have and who knows what the gently caress, and then regardless of the outcome the Libs get to keep most of their base because they tried. And they move on to the next culture war touchstone. OwlFancier posted:The tories can't make concessions to the liberals without stopping brexit. Like the liberal platform is 100% stop brexit, the tory platform is 100% do brexit. These two can't be reconciled and if they are it's because the liberals abandoned their only policy for coalition again.
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OwlFancier posted:Less risky than the alternative, if the tories don't get a majority and labour puts brexit to bed the tories are hosed. Are they? If labour manages to get a second ref and remain ends up winning, won't the country still have a huge base of 2016 leavers who are now extremely pissed off? (because brexit was "stolen" from them) In that case, wouldn't they be re-galvanized to vote, if the Tories end up switching over to being the "respect the 2016 referendum!!!!!" party?
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OwlFancier posted:Less risky than the alternative, if the tories don't get a majority and labour puts brexit to bed the tories are hosed. Likely leadership election and they've got nobody, and no policies, and the lib dems snapping at their heels for the one nation tory vote. "Labour stole your brexit" plays a lot better than "We gave it away"
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Well no if the tories don't get a majorit then they're going to face opposition from the majority of parliament because we're on a deadline and nobody else wants their deal, least of all when there's been an election where everyone else stood on opposing it and also when most if not all of the labour brexit rebels have been purged.wocobob posted:Are they? If labour manages to get a second ref and remain ends up winning, won't the country still have a huge base of 2016 leavers who are now extremely pissed off? (because brexit was "stolen" from them) The 2016 leavers are dying and again, labour's looking to add a big chunk of anti-brexit votes into the mix with the votes at 16. I don't think the tories can tap the leave demographic any more than they have, and it's already not sure to be enough. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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Epic High Five posted:American checking in, just want to clear up some confusion I've had reading exactly 6 posts over the last 1000 pages: Yes, he can. Corbyn is both electable and electrifiable  He also has eye lasers  quote:2) Has it been elaborated upon how Boris is going to make Brexit happen despite failing to do so over and over, over the course of years, all while being a huge goon who makes everybody dumber just with proximity and also he probably smells really bad and nobody likes him? Boris looks like he smells like he looks. 
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Gum posted:Like even if Labour gets in and ends up withdrawing art 50 i could still see the tories surviving as a general fash party but calling and losing a second referendum themselves would actually kill them Sure but like, the tories don't want to be a rump party, they want to be the opposition. I don't think they have a chance to do that other than by calling and winning a referendum or by doing brexit via a majority.
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 ELECTION DAY  Polls open at 7am and are open until 10pm
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Doccykins posted:Get some rest team, polls open in under 7 hours! Wish I could yeah Goldarn we gotta get some good results from this now
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:So they'd do that, the referendum would have and who knows what the gently caress, and then regardless of the outcome the Libs get to keep most of their base because they tried. And they move on to the next culture war touchstone. I'd absolutely agree with you, up until the point we consider the recent Tory actions. This is the same party that called an election rather than have a proper reading of their deal. They don't want the scrutiny of a referendum. They want a majority to avoid scrutiny altogether. Therefore there would be no face-saving deal with the LibDems, it would be another 5p tax on carrier bags and you should feel lucky that you got that
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How fast do the results come in? I'm in Korea, so this works out well for me. 10pm is 7am here.
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