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oxsnard posted:Amazing that this revelation will actually be good for Trump and Nunes Maybe but it could just end up showing their asses more, that they got hustled by an obvious liar.
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Woah, Ratcliffe leading by putting his head completely up his rear end and arguing that obstruction and abuse of power aren't impeachable offenses.
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Dec 12, 2019 02:21
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I watched like 15 minutes of this and no way am I sticking around
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Dec 12, 2019 02:25
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So far the best moment is that guy reading from his script about how he promised himself he wasn’t going to get emotional, but it’s too sad of a day in history
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Dec 12, 2019 02:27
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Is there some rule that the speakers aren’t allowed to rebut the bullshit of the speaker directly before them? If not, why aren’t they doing it? Call them on their bullshit.
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Kiranamos posted:So far the best moment is that guy reading from his script about how he promised himself he wasn’t going to get emotional, but it’s too sad of a day in history The Louie Gohmert Variety Hour is the single most mentally damaging 5 minutes of American Television.
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GutBomb posted:Is there some rule that the speakers aren’t allowed to rebut the bullshit of the speaker directly before them? If not, why aren’t they doing it? Call them on their bullshit. This is just a big string of opening statements. Everyone is getting a sound bite in. The shitshow will start after these are done I’m assuming.
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Dec 12, 2019 02:35
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Biggs saying that Trump didn't submit evidence because he couldn't because no hearing was scheduled to present the evidence he was withholding.
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Have we really reached the “We aren’t abusing power you are!” phase of the death of democracy? Please don’t answer that.
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Dec 12, 2019 03:05
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Impeachment Thread: The President is the smoking gun
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Dec 12, 2019 03:19
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SubG posted:Impeachment Thread: The President is the smoking gun "Thw smoking gun is being reloaded." Jaypal reppin Washington!!! Whoo!
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I love how it's a standard Republican defensive move to engage in a lengthy recitation of the allegations against Trump.
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SubG posted:Impeachment Thread: The President is the smocking gun ftfy Also: https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1204936018908106753?s=20
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:ftfy No poo poo.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:ftfy That ornery turtle's outwitted us again!
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1glitch0 posted:No poo poo. Clickbait BS Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is not expected to hold a vote on a motion to dismiss the impeachment articles against President Trump, but would instead move to a final vote acquitting the President when a majority of senators believe the trial has run its course, two GOP senators told CNN. That’s significant because Republicans want to have an actual vote on acquittal — to clear the President of the charges against him — and not simply rely on a 51-vote threshold procedural motion to dismiss the hotly-disputed case. The Constitution mandates 67 votes are required to convict the President and remove him from office, a barrier widely considered too high to be reached in this case. One vote McConnell can’t rely on is that of Vice President Mike Pence who has “no role in impeachment,” according to an GOP leadership aide, despite being President of the Senate with the mandate to break ties. But Pence’s power, which applies to legislation and nominations, doesn’t apply to when the Senate is weighing removing his boss, an obvious conflict of interest since he would ascend to replace Trump if he were removed. Instead, Chief Justice John Roberts would preside at the trial and any tie motions would fail. One of the senators, speaking anonymously, said McConnell would not call a vote on the motion to proceed to the impeachment articles unless he knew he had the 51 votes needed to succeed. The other senator, John Cornyn of Texas, said it “would make more sense” to move to vote on the actual articles of impeachment — with their 67-vote requirement — than a motion to dismiss and “decide this on a 51-vote threshold, with the potential tie and all the recriminations that would flow from that.” McConnell hinted at this strategy when he spoke to reporters Tuesday and said the Senate would have two choices after hearing opening arguments from the House impeachment managers and the President’s defense counsel. “It could go down the path of calling witnesses and basically having another trial or it could decide — and again, 51 members could make that decision — that they’ve heard enough and believe they know what would happen and could move to vote on the two articles of impeachment,” he said. “Those are the options. Not decisions have been made yet.”
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How do these people think looking at phone records works? I doubt they realize it’s a bad idea to keep pointing out that Nunes’s phone number was on that list to begin with it. Also: “They went with abuse of power because they couldn’t prove bribery” so following that logic they can only go with a charge they can prove right? So they can prove abuse of power? Great!
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Yeah, Mitch McConnell can get away with a lot of things that the public will never care about, but the headline "Trump Acquitted Without Trial" is not one of them.
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It's really something that Republicans are going with the line that obstruction and abuse of power aren't impeachable because they're not identically bribery or treason. That's some serious Clarence Thomas level of originalism-as-semantic-pedantry crazy.
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SubG posted:It's really something that Republicans are going with the line that obstruction and abuse of power aren't impeachable because they're not identically bribery or treason. That's some serious Clarence Thomas level of originalism-as-semantic-pedantry crazy. When you have the facts on your side, you argue the facts. When you have emotion on your side, you argue emotion. When neither facts nor emotion are on your side, you pound the table and yell a lot.
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I always thought that members of Congress would be really impressive speakers. This could be the defining moment of many of their careers, and instead they just read from a script with less eloquence than a high school graduation speech.
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PopetasticPerson posted:People forget that how long the trial lasts will have a big impact on the 2020 primary. Sanders and Warren are going to be stuck in Washington for the duration of the trial and won't be able to campaign in the early states. So a longer trial with more witnesses and testimony benefits Biden. If you accept that Biden is more electable and is a bigger threat to Trump, then it's to the Republican's advantage to shorten the trial as much as possible to give Sanders and Warren a better chance at upsetting him. Since conviction in the Senate is essentially impossible already, that and saving seats ought to be the Republican's priority in how the trial plays out. Other than that the Senate trial may get full media coverage and your favorite Senator may get some good national air time out of it too, which the other guy will not.
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Smeef posted:I always thought that members of Congress would be really impressive speakers. This could be the defining moment of many of their careers, and instead they just read from a script with less eloquence than a high school graduation speech. Our heroes in congress are us, hopefully.
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Smeef posted:I always thought that members of Congress would be really impressive speakers. This could be the defining moment of many of their careers, and instead they just read from a script with less eloquence than a high school graduation speech. I suspect it's always been the case. People add narrative structure and dramatise the telling of history, especially political history, which would probably seem very dry and mundane if every speech or hearing were recounted exactly how it was.
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SubG posted:Woah, Ratcliffe leading by putting his head completely up his rear end and arguing that obstruction and abuse of power aren't impeachable offenses. That's going to be the majority Senate GOP opinion less than a month from now.
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I cannot listen to this loving perpetually exasperated hick.
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I got so excited hearing them say his name with the word impeachment so officially Donald John Trump You know it's bad when the middle name comes out
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I got so excited hearing them say his name with the word impeachment so officially And Collins complained about that too, lol.
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Ugh Jordan grandstanding to overwrite the first article with THE FAX loving weasel
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mdemone posted:That's going to be the majority Senate GOP opinion less than a month from now. They're following the "Authoritarianism For Dummies" playbook real closely because of the demented cheeto-in-chief, so this is pretty inevitable. Try not to be surprised when all the "radical left extremist Democrats" rhetoric morphs in to calling to jail all political opposition. *Holds earpiece for a few seconds* I am told that we now need to, quote, "Lock her up."
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I am so loving tired of this whining and crocodile tears. gently caress you Karen, you aren’t being abused, you hitched yourself to Trump and this is what you get.
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Rep. Neguse has a light whiff of a Schiffy vibe with his speaking, I like him.
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"These hearings were secret... so nothing could be told about them"... yeah, good point there GOP pig farmer #12
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