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What a dumpster inferno this farce has become.
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Spark fear in the corridors of the most formidable gunships and frigates with the Ares Ion. This laser-equipped variant delivers extremely powerful shots to quickly disable the shields of even the biggest enemy vessels.
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 there's even a PDF brochure for the new jpeg: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/609452192264617984/654687144941453322/Crusader-Ares-Star-Fighter-FINAL.pdf (archered from SC Leaks Discord)
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One in the Bum posted:What did adzada like so much about the old system? Hadn't it always been lovely no-clipping? At one point the flight and combat was fun enough on its own that I could spend several hours in Arena Commander with no complaints except that the maps were too small. Here's a video from 5 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W64CyaTT9x0 Some points of interest: * The HUD is simple, straightforward and readable. The radar is clear and not the size of a postage stamp and you can actually see what's going on. The whole thing even seems to animate better than what they have now. * You can see the individual thrusters on the Hornet articulating. This is a big part of what has been lost- as far as I know they no longer bother with any of this physically-modeled flight stuff, and everything just has stats for how it flies now. I actually appreciated that taking body damage would knock out parts of your flight control at a time. * Combat speeds are low and combat ranges are tight- you still can't loving hit anything and there's no lead indicator, but at least you actually see what you're shooting. In the modern version, combat takes place at 2+ km and hundreds of m/s. * The missiles actually work and are dangerous. Now here's that same game mode today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZtnjJpHSg8&t=135s * Note the proliferation of useless bullshit all over the HUD, and the fact that it animates so much more poorly than the version 5 years ago. * Note that the framerate is in the single digits and that every time the player takes a hit or pulls a turn, the screen flashes and blurs and has a seizure, rendering visibility almost nil * Note that the radar is completely loving useless * Note that combat range has moved out past 1km and you're basically playing a game of line-up-the-dots now * Note how the player gets targeted by 4-5 missiles at once and nothing happens because missiles are functionally just spitballs ---- Summary: Adz Adama is actually totally correct despite having terminal moon brain. The relatively few changes they've bothered to make in the last 5 years have moved them farther from a functional combat model that's fun to play. They just slot in new poo poo without any consideration of how it actually feels, and the end result is a bunch of conflicting systems that actively punish the player for doing the one thing that should be second nature in a spaceship combat game- namely, turning real hard and shooting things.
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Dec 12, 2019 15:20
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Are lasers even in the game? I don't remember seeing one (by lasers I would expect a nice long beam, not a bullet with star wars texture)
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Dec 12, 2019 15:23
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Quavers posted:
Oh my god it is the avatar of Power Creep. They built all these single-seat fighters, then they built these big gently caress-off yachts and corvettes that have shields so heavy that you can't penetrate them with 5 or 6 players shooting them at once. They sold a bunch of bombers and torpedo ships that were supposed to be the counter to the big ships, but they couldn't get those working so gently caress it whatever: here's a single-seat fighter with a size 6 or whatever-the-gently caress gun, that can "Threaten capital ships" with long range firepower. Buy it now if you want to stay relevant! gently caress you if you bought any of the ships that were supposed to fill this role! Buy the new one buy it buy it buy it!
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commando in tophat posted:Are lasers even in the game? I don't remember seeing one (by lasers I would expect a nice long beam, not a bullet with star wars texture) No, they sold some big laser attachment to Idris owners at one point but neither the Idris nor any of the attachments have ever materialized and they never will
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Dec 12, 2019 15:25
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I think there's a typo on the last page.code:
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Quavers posted:
Give 200 dollars and generate salty tears from whales in their thousand dollar ships! What's not to like?
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Dec 12, 2019 15:28
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Agony Aunt posted:Give 200 dollars and generate salty tears from whales in their thousand dollar ships! It's a ship built entirely around a great big centerline gun! It's the new A10 in space! Forget about the Avenger, and the Vanguard, the previous fighters built around a big centerline gun that were the new A10's in space! This one is bigger! It has three shields and a size 7 gun, the biggest advertised in the game so far- literally bigger than the guns on multicrew corvettes! It punches above its weight! None of this poses any kind of game balance challenge at all, gently caress you!
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Dec 12, 2019 15:32
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* lasers coming Q42020, honest
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Dec 12, 2019 16:13
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Keep fleecing them dorks
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Sarsapariller posted:It's a ship built entirely around a great big centerline gun! It's the new A10 in space! Forget about the Avenger, and the Vanguard, the previous fighters built around a big centerline gun that were the new A10's in space! This one is bigger! It has three shields and a size 7 gun, the biggest advertised in the game so far- literally bigger than the guns on multicrew corvettes! It punches above its weight! The gun in the new jpeg is actually not centered. gently caress you FUDster.
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Dec 12, 2019 16:38
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MedicineHut posted:I am new here and wanted to say hi, introduce myself. I have played many MMOs, fantasy, sci-fi and you name it...most of the well known. Have done the raiding, the group coordination, time table standoffs in real life and much of the typical MMO crowd shenanigans. I'm older, around 40+ish and have more of a refined taste for my gaming. As I understand Star Citizen has been around some time as I also understand there are those who have stuck around since the beginning. with that said, I want to thank everyone who supports this remarkable game, especially the ones who continue playing since alpha has been opened. Psst, Medicine, wrong account
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ErrEff posted:I think there's a typo on the last page. You just stumbled onto the true game!
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Dec 12, 2019 17:19
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Any time you doubt that the crowdfunding numbers are real, or that there could be so many gullible nerds willing to pull out their wallets to the tune of two hundred dollars right now for a game that has shown no signs of going anywhere in the past 4 years, please consider the following case study. The new spaceship does nothing that we haven't seen. It is the 300th single-seat fighter added to the game. It has a big gun and no interior. It punches above its weight on paper and will, inevitably, be nerfed heavily once it is actually launched. It is not flight-ready, i.e. you are buying a jpeg and nothing more. It costs 220 dollars. It has only been on sale for an hour and there are twenty-five separate threads on reddit from people orgasming over this stupid poo poo. Ares Regular Or Ember? Should You Buy The Ares Starfighter Polaris Carrying An Ares? Ares(-10) Inferno The Sound You Just Heard Was Thousands of Vanguards Crying Out In Panic Monster, Come To My Hangar How Long Can We Expect The Ares To Be On Sale? Only The Ares Inferno Can Mount The S7 Gatling! Opinion: The off-center weapon mount does the Ares a disservice. Let me guess: "It punches above its weight"? Crusader Industry Ares The Crusader Ares Ion The Crusader Ares Inferno Crusader Ares Available For Concierge Gib s7 brrrrt ARES!!!! SIZE 7 GUN!!! When You Can't get into The Ares Page Crusader Ares Store Page Ion or Inferno The Crusader Ares Is Here! Crusader Ares Concierge Pre-Sale Page for Those Interested Crusader Ares Starfighter Brochure Crusader Ares Transmission is finally here! Crusader Ares not able to purchase, but showing up in the ship menu for Crusader Industries. Ares up on storepage! Cursader Ares Inferno and Ion Ares Variants show in Pledge store Ares variants in the Pledge store Let this be a lesson to us: there is no ship so pointless, so johnny-come-lately, so overpriced and so unnecessary that it will not generate an absolute feeding frenzy among the remaining fan base. All you have to do is give it the newest, biggest gun and these morons will be on that poo poo. You don't even have to build it, just put a new number on your sales brochures. It's literally printing money.
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Sarsapariller posted:Any time you doubt that the crowdfunding numbers are real, or that there could be so many gullible nerds willing to pull out their wallets to the tune of two hundred dollars right now for a game that has shown no signs of going anywhere in the past 4 years, please consider the following case study. I used to think that Wowbagger the infinitely prolonged was kinda mean, but the older I get, the more sympathetic I am to the concept of spending immortality just insulting everyone in it very personally.
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Dec 12, 2019 17:55
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Is there any worse portent for a game when a review has the word "potential" in it? Anytime I look at an EA game on Steam and a bunch of the reviews say something about how much "potential" it has it's pretty much automatically a no buy. Star Citizen is entirely made up of "potential".
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Dec 12, 2019 18:01
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 Massively OP’s 2019 Awards: Worst MMO Business Model - STAR CITIZEN & FALLOUT 76
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Sarsapariller posted:Any time you doubt that the crowdfunding numbers are real, or that there could be so many gullible nerds willing to pull out their wallets to the tune of two hundred dollars right now for a game that has shown no signs of going anywhere in the past 4 years, please consider the following case study. Something Boocha said in the last video really rings true here. He said that Ben was the genius that came up with the key to Star Citizen's financial success: Nerds really like to jack off about ship stats, even if they ship doesn't yet exist and will probably change before they do.
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Before I started actively following the dumpster fire known as Star Citizen I would occasionally check in via CIGs website or try and find a game play video just to see what this game was about. Even 4 or 5 years ago it was very difficult to tell the state of the game because CIG and it's backers talk about it like it is fully developed and playable. They discuss different ship manufacturers with the zeal of car enthusiasts, CIG is pumping out lore as if big things are occurring in game. To the casual observer SC has the trappings of a finished product from a glance. It's when you dig into it at all that things start to look off and then you try to find some real game play footage that isn't heavily edited that you start to see just how shallow and buggy this mess is. Reading backer discussion about this game is like peering into an alternate dimension where SC is actually playable and fun and then you notice none of them have booted the game in 6 months.
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Watching that citizen con stream from 2017 was amazing fun times. It looked like a budget PS3 game with janky everything and was so scripted that when it crashed they literally had to just run through the entire demo again up to that point lol
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Sarsapariller posted:Let this be a lesson to us: there is no ship so pointless, so johnny-come-lately, so overpriced and so unnecessary that it will not generate an absolute feeding frenzy among the remaining fan base. All you have to do is give it the newest, biggest gun and these morons will be on that poo poo. You don't even have to build it, just put a new number on your sales brochures. It's literally printing money. I can't even be surprised by this poo poo at this point. CI This is why it galls me when backers hold up the amount of funding as proof that SC isn't a scam. Motherfucker, every dollar it continues to raise further proves the scam.
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Dec 12, 2019 18:33
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Was that the year they used the command console to teleport back to the mission location because even CIG can't be bothered with all their time wasting travel.
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Sabreseven posted:Going off on a tangent but, I knew I'd experienced Star Citizens inter-system jump minigame before, during the mid 90's of course. does anyone remember the sequel of this? NOVASTORM which is a true hidden gem! (only the PC version though)
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Dec 12, 2019 18:43
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Sentinel Worlds: Future Magic was a more detailed and immersive space Sim than anything crobbers has ever been near
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Popete posted:Was that the year they used the command console to teleport back to the mission location because even CIG can't be bothered with all their time wasting travel. I think so, that was when there was a jump that had to be made to get the commando to another section of the wrecked ship to pick up some sort of circuit board. The first time around the player missed the jump, fell about 2 feet and broke every bone in their legs. Which I guess is kind of cool.
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Dwesa posted:That's rather sad.  Hi, let me attach this forty pounds rock to your lifejacket  That sounds like a great idea!... stuff happens... Star Citizen!
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Fidelitious posted:I think so, that was when there was a jump that had to be made to get the commando to another section of the wrecked ship to pick up some sort of circuit board. The first time around the player missed the jump, fell about 2 feet and broke every bone in their legs. Yeah that was it, then they used the command console to teleport back cause it took them like an hour to get there in the first place.
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Sarsapariller posted:Any time you doubt that the crowdfunding numbers are real, or that there could be so many gullible nerds willing to pull out their wallets to the tune of two hundred dollars right now for a game that has shown no signs of going anywhere in the past 4 years, please consider the following case study. Its rather telling
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Dec 12, 2019 19:03
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They should reboot SC as spaceship gacha with anime babes.
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WaltherFeng posted:They should reboot SC as spaceship gacha with anime babes. Gacha games are guilty of many things but when you spend 2000 chasing the latest waifu at least the waifu is actually in the game.
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Shouldn't they have offset the cockpit instead of the gun? Oh well. They are so. So bad at the interaction of design and balance. I mean they are bad at both, but they are also bad at specifically the interaction of it. Strangler 42 posted:Something Boocha said in the last video really rings true here. He said that Ben was the genius that came up with the key to Star Citizen's financial success: Nerds really like to jack off about ship stats, even if they ship doesn't yet exist and will probably change before they do. New ship announcement: The RSI Spacebattles.com. When you try to launch the ship it just opens a web browser to spacebattles.com
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Holy poo poo one would think that your customers would be pushing you to actually implement the things you've sold previously before selling yet another thing to go on the ever-growing to-do list, but nah the fans are tripping over themselves to pay $200 for some marketing phrases, a jpg and the promise of a spaceship (and a game) some time in the future.
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This is one thing that really bothers me about CIGs marketing. They always have this deniable fall back that 'oh its IN UNIVERSE marketing so it makes sense that we are promising the moon and the stars!'. No, this is your marketing, you arn't selling this ship to the loving quanta, you are selling it to gullible nerds who are jacking off about SPACE A10 that murders capital ships and tanks and 'shreds' smaller vessels. The only doubt the citizens seem to have is that it doesn't have a toilet and is therefore bad. Also, what the gently caress kind law do they have that someone selling a loving military spaceship can just promise it does things it does not, that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Galt's Galaxy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIcnydrwFY&t=54s
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Dude the entire sales page is built from the standpoint of Crusader Industries. Do you really think Honda's next car brochure is gonna say "Handles like a banana in a hallway! But as long as you have a long, straight hallway this baby will do you proud!"
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:This is one thing that really bothers me about CIGs marketing. They always have this deniable fall back that 'oh its IN UNIVERSE marketing so it makes sense that we are promising the moon and the stars!'. No, this is your marketing, you arn't selling this ship to the loving quanta, you are selling it to gullible nerds who are jacking off about SPACE A10 that murders capital ships and tanks and 'shreds' smaller vessels. The only doubt the citizens seem to have is that it doesn't have a toilet and is therefore bad. Also their promises aren't even internally coherent, as noted here: Guns on Ares from ISC preview do not match any current version of the Ares. It's literally just random art concepts slapped around with fake numbers that shift constantly. They've been doing this for seven years and they don't have even a semblance of an idea of how to target a niche with their design process. It's entirely "What would sell," and then they throw it to designers who try to make it fit into the world and who cares if they mangle it, CIG already has the money. Case in point, look at this bullshit they're promising for the Space Carrier-Turned-Into-A-Mall Complete lies posted:Will the shops be visited by NPC customers? They will say anything to make a sale. NPC's visiting your ship? Sure, whatever, it's seven years in and we can't even make them walk right but yeah gently caress it whatever they'll come to your store. And you can absolutely set up the shops! This is definitely going to be implemented in the next year and won't require an entire 6-month effort by the whole team! It's all bullshit, and what's more it's intentional bullshit. They know they can't do this stuff. They have no intention of following through on any of this. That is what makes this a scam.
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The idea that players are going to come to your ship to purchase stuff during the couple hours you might be logged in at night and not just try and blow you up is already laughable. This all feeds into the backers need to feel superior to those who have spent less. Buy a big luxury yacht so you can host grand parties were Citizens from across the universe come to celebrate you and your wealth! Buy a space trading outpost were Citizens far and wide will flock to buy wares. What happens when CIG figures out how to have more than 50 people on a server and suddenly there are hundreds of space trading outpost ships in a single system. Whose gonna bother coming to your ship? Why not just head down to a planet or space station and buy from an NPC whose more reliably available? Why would another player or heck even one of their super savvy "quanta" come to your ship to buy marked up wares when they could just go buy those wares from the same source you did for less money?
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Sarsapariller posted:It's all bullshit, and what's more it's intentional bullshit. They know they can't do this stuff. They have no intention of following through on any of this. That is what makes this a scam. That's why the backers use the defense of "How is it a scam? Explain exactly how." To actually get into how this is categorically a scam you have to get really into the weeds of what CIG is saying and offering, and backers know a random internet commenter who sees thousand dollar ships for a 7-year-late game and (rightly) says scam isn't going to get into that argument, as they don't have any of that context.
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