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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Polls don't even close for another 6 hours, chill. oh my god how long does it take you guys to run an election it was called weeks ago
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Bryter posted:It predicted large tory gains in2015, but not enough to get a majority, which they narrowly managed. It wasn't off by that much and was a lot closer to the actual result than opinion polling leading up to the election. they're usually ok, maybe that's just my pedantic lib side making an appearance *punches it back into its hole*
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Polls don't even close for another 6 hours, chill. go to a good old fashioned movie w a friend
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I went to vote at lunchtime and it was completely dead, like, I was the only person there, must have gone in, voted and got back to my car within 60 seconds. But I am in the home counties which is about as Tory a place as exists in the UK. But then I see things like this: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/queues-at-polling-stations-britain-turns-out-election-lifetime-103826054.html And it makes me hope, but I guess this is hellworld so filling me with hope before spiraling me into a depression sounds about right.
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Squizzle posted:go to a good old fashioned movie w a friend I think we've been infiltrated by tories
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Polls don't even close for another 6 hours, chill.  When are we changing these back to :arzy:
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Jota posted:corbyns gonna do it
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Dravs posted:I went to vote at lunchtime and it was completely dead, like, I was the only person there, must have gone in, voted and got back to my car within 60 seconds. Hope is the sauce of despair. E: the queues seem to be all in London, which is a nice sign for there but not anywhere else necessarily.
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1205151408015708160?s=19 The kids are alright 
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:
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Although I worry that Cameron might've dealt the final blow to the UK with the brexit vote, I wish the best for you guys.
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poty posted:is it mandatory yet to refer to others as comrades or does that apply from tomorrow I am doing it already comrade is a good title, it is respectful yet not subservient, gives off solidarity vibes, gender neutral and the wrong people will know you are against them
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Word on the street is things look hopeful, but that having hope is gods way to punk you.
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:
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Speaking with less hyperbole: what is the bare minimum of what would be considered a 'victory' for the labour movement?
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Morter posted:Speaking with less hyperbole: what is the bare minimum of what would be considered a 'victory' for the labour movement? Wouldn't it be a Labour "victory" to just keep the status quo number of seats? There already isn't enough votes for Boris' Brexit plan. Why should the political outlook change if the seat count doesn't? Like, Labour isn't planning/expecting to actually "govern" in their traditional sense, everything is consumed with Brexit.
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Morter posted:Speaking with less hyperbole: what is the bare minimum of what would be considered a 'victory' for the labour movement? Not losing more than half their seats.
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Morter posted:Speaking with less hyperbole: what is the bare minimum of what would be considered a 'victory' for the labour movement? as a movement? we already have it. There is a massive victory already by a whole generation of people embracing socialism, and the younger people that are coming up are extremely sympathetic to the red
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Grondoth posted:Although I worry that Cameron might've dealt the final blow to the UK with the brexit vote, I wish the best for you guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vis8Aaekpw
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absolute minimum is denying a tory majority and staying at net zero seats. reasonable win is being able to form a government without lib dem support. absolute best is a straight labour majority, but i don't think anyone's expecting that.
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chaos option: tories+DUP have majority again, arlene foster kills boris johnson's brexit deal and we're back to where we were in 2017
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Pook Good Mook posted:Wouldn't it be a Labour "victory" to just keep the status quo number of seats? There already isn't enough votes for Boris' Brexit plan. Why should the political outlook change if the seat count doesn't? not really. this was expected to be the brexit election - again - and the conservatives sure fought it like one, but 100% of labour's messaging and attack lines were on governing. nhs, schools, benefits, etc etc. labour's big brexit move was to say "we're staying neutral in any second referendum" - the perfect opposite of taking a brexit side.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Wouldn't it be a Labour "victory" to just keep the status quo number of seats? There already isn't enough votes for Boris' Brexit plan. Why should the political outlook change if the seat count doesn't? Technically there are enough votes for Boris' plan, or there have been so far: it passed second reading with the help of 19 Labour votes. It was his attempt to fast track the bill that failed. I would imagine that if Corbyn fails to make significant gains this election he will lose the relatively strong position he's spent years trying to cement, party discipline will fall to the wayside and more Labour MPs in leave constituencies might be emoldened to join the 19 who backed the 2nd reading.
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Bryter posted:Technically there are enough votes for Boris' plan, or there have been so far: it passed second reading with the help of 19 Labour votes. It was his attempt to fast track the bill that failed. for this to happen there needs to be a tory government, though, which i can't really see unless they get a majority
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PhilippAchtel posted:Has Corbyn won yet? inshallah
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V. Illych L. posted:absolute minimum is denying a tory majority and staying at net zero seats. reasonable win is being able to form a government without lib dem support. absolute best is a straight labour majority, but i don't think anyone's expecting that. which outcome results in jam man as PM?
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Where's the best internet place to watch the results come in? I'd prefer something like the Monty Python silly party sketch if it can be managed.
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WampaLord posted:which outcome results in jam man as PM? the latter two certainly, possibly the former depending on particulars - the DUP would legit rather no-deal brexit than have a labour government, and so would most of the tories. the lib dems *might* give conditional and temporary support until brexit is no longer an issue, but who the hell knows
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WampaLord posted:which outcome results in jam man as PM? You could manage that somewhere between absolute minimum and reasonable win, I think -- if Labour can form a coalition government by allying with Lib Dems, they get Corbyn as PM but he's hamstrung in a lot of the cool poo poo he wants to do because he'd need votes from JK Rowling
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Pook Good Mook posted:Wouldn't it be a Labour "victory" to just keep the status quo number of seats? There already isn't enough votes for Boris' Brexit plan. Why should the political outlook change if the seat count doesn't? Yeah but Boris has been prattling on about Brexit while Corbyn has made the wise decision to point out all the horror that has happened to the UK under the current tory government. This election is about more than just Brexit even if brexit caused this election.
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WampaLord posted:which outcome results in jam man as PM? I think you need the Tories to fall far enough that even the Lib Dems, BXP, and DUP together can't save their bacon.
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thank you for the quick and helpful answers, the british government is extremely confusing and my brain is preoccupied with our own stupid election poo poo here Go jam man! Bear Retrieval Unit posted:
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V. Illych L. posted:the lib dems genuinely can't coalition with johnson's tories. they're both single issue parties with opposite positions this go around, it'd make the perceived betrayal of the coalition look tame the lib dems have no principles or shame
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