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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:is this whole thread nothing but spies working for different governments all arguing with each other? Gotobaya Rajapaksa Did Nothing Wrong
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Dec 12, 2019 21:18
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cracking and pinging, cracking and pinging.
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Dec 12, 2019 21:38
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able to stay awake up as long as they wanted, able to listen to music any time of the day
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Dec 12, 2019 22:03
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holy gently caress lmao
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Dec 12, 2019 22:06
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gitmo good folks
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Dec 12, 2019 22:12
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yeah, that's the stuff
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Dec 12, 2019 23:20
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What's difference between this and the reeducation camp videos?
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Dec 12, 2019 23:50
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Dec 13, 2019 02:43
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sincx posted:gitmo explainer
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Dec 13, 2019 02:54
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sincx posted:gitmo explainer
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Dec 13, 2019 02:57
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sincx posted:gitmo explainer
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Dec 13, 2019 02:59
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https://twitter.com/orbital_drive/status/1205364016777809921
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Dec 13, 2019 08:58
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What does it say on the tail?
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Dec 13, 2019 09:10
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Mao's writing is cool in the simple raw brutal way he writes stuff, but "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun" sounds better than the chinese to me The vibe of the chinese is more like "out from the gun barrel comes political power" the difference being that the english sentence's subject is political power and the implication is that all political power is ultimately martial power and the chinese's subject is what comes out of the barrel of a gun, which is almost more enjoying the brutality of where he personally found political power, less of a general statement at least to my admittedly extremely limited ability to read
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Dec 13, 2019 09:17
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Kassad posted:What does it say on the tail? 读毛主席的书, 听毛主席的话, 照毛主席的指示办事 Read Chairman Mao's book, listen to Chairman Mao's words, and act according to Chairman Mao's instructions
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Dec 13, 2019 09:28
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burn the earth and salt the oceans
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Dec 13, 2019 09:32
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"GTMO detainees were able to fast"quote:The first well-known Guantanamo Bay hunger strikes began in the middle of 2005, when detainees held by the United States at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp initiated two hunger strikes. The detainees organized several widespread hunger strikes to protest their innocence and the conditions of their confinement.[1][2][3][4] According to camp authorities, other captives who engaged in long-term hunger strikes, committed suicide in June 2006. Widespread hunger strikes recurred in 2013.
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Dec 13, 2019 09:49
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Modest Mao posted:Mao's writing is cool in the simple raw brutal way he writes stuff, but "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun" sounds better than the chinese to me You will find in general, Chinese language come up with way better, catchier, concise slogans for complicated concepts than does english
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Dec 13, 2019 09:57
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yah I love the terseness of chinese slogans I just found all of Mao's other famous lines translated pretty much perfectly but this one is definitely "let all communists know, shooting a gun is a great way to take power"
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Dec 13, 2019 10:01
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Last great national banner campaign: one child policy funny slogans.
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Dec 13, 2019 11:11
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Laffo she worked at Guantanamo You can't write this stuff!
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Dec 13, 2019 14:58
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Dunno if there'd be basically any remotely objective sources, but I'd still like to see some insight as to how hosed the Chinese imperial state was that let them get turbofucked by colonialism and what the successor states did in reaction to it, and what, if anything, they learned from it. I forget my Chinese history courses on exactly how it collapsed into warlordism.
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Dec 13, 2019 15:07
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You can check out the lecture the fall and rise of China. However. All the best/nastiest tricks the colonial powers used to deal with Qing was not discussed in detail in any particular English source. I picked them up piece by piece from from various Chinese sources. The coordinated ways the West and Japan used to keep Qing in the semi colonial state really has to do with the control of custom by British and various way of slowing down the industrialization of the Qing imperial government. I wish there is a conprehensive book to study the industrialization "glass ceiling" technological blockade because the west are still doing in Africa. Iran couldn't process its own curde oil until China helped them built some refining plants. Iran Islamic Republic promptly used the self refined gasoline to provide super cheap gas to their own citizens as form of subsidy. But every Persian started buying more and smuggling gas so they had to stop recently and that caused a poo poo storm. whatever7 has issued a correction as of 16:48 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Dec 13, 2019 16:37
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https://twitter.com/taro_taylor/status/1205457081114882053?s=21
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Dec 13, 2019 16:50
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whatever7 posted:You can check out the lecture the fall and rise of China. Also, it didn't help that China didn't really have a fully functional central government until 1949. While it is true that the Nationalists did control the majority of China on paper, both their will and ability to challenge the West was limited in any real sense. Also, China was more or less in a state of war during the inter-war period. That isn't a reason to give the Nationalists credit, but that China was an easy mark. Btw, I wonder how much of that "glass celling" resulted from the Soviet trade with Western states during the 1920s. Maybe they didn't want a repeat? (Also, Venezuela had the same issue with heavily subsidized fuel. Russia in contrast never went back to a price control system, but it is always a question of where the actual profits flow to.) Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:04 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Dec 13, 2019 17:56
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Mostly I hear bits like all the emperor's advisors kept telling him the british had been defeated totally right up til the british came knocking on his palace door, but I'll try to remember that. Is there a transcript? While it seems Japan pretty openly saw what was going on and decided to catch up to the European colonial powers as quickly as possible, which worked out pretty well for them til WW2.
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Dec 13, 2019 18:03
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Ghost Leviathan posted:While it seems Japan pretty openly saw what was going on and decided to catch up to the European colonial powers as quickly as possible, which worked out pretty well for them til WW2. I wonder of much of that is just geography, and that China was simply a much more vast potential market for colonial powers? Also,there really wasn't a strong base of operations for Western powers to assault Japan.
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Dec 13, 2019 18:07
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Ardennes posted:I wonder of much of that is just geography, and that China was simply a much more vast potential market for colonial powers? Also,there really wasn't a strong base of operations for Western powers to assault Japan. They are a traditionally very defensible position (before aircraft and bombs), yeah, but with the whole opening the ports at gunpoint thing that anyone with pattern recognition can probably tell at that point was a prelude to colonialism, which European powers were racing to do to literally every other nation in the world at that point- they were going to get around to Japan sooner or later unless they got into the game themselves, I imagine was the idea.
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Dec 13, 2019 18:12
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Mostly I hear bits like all the emperor's advisors kept telling him the british had been defeated totally right up til the british came knocking on his palace door, but I'll try to remember that. Is there a transcript? Both Japan AND China saw what was coming and tried to modernize: the difference is that China was in the line of fire of European colonialism sooner than Japan was. But more importantly, that China did not have an effective central government (which was a conscious decision on the part of some Qing emperors) whereas Japan had one of the most bureaucratized societies in Asia. The result was japan had a government capable of pursuing state led modernization where China's modernization programs were less successful. The idea that China was stupid and refuse to come to terms with European advancements is a myth that was initially crafted by European colonialists, and then taken on and used by both the nationalists and later the communists to justify revolution against the old imperial order.
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Dec 13, 2019 18:14
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Ardennes posted:I wonder of much of that is just geography, and that China was simply a much more vast potential market for colonial powers? Also,there really wasn't a strong base of operations for Western powers to assault Japan. The Tokugawa Shogunate was incredibly decrepit at the time, and had to accept Commodore Perry forcibly opening up more ports for trade with the US because they had no defense against Western gunships. If they wanted to the Western powers could've easily done the same thing, but they didn't perceive Japan as being a valuable market on the scale of China that was worth going after. It was sucking up all of their attention just trying to divy up China and penetrate it internally. Nobody except the Chinese recognized just how fast Japan was embracing modernity in reaction to being forcibly opened, and the scale of centralization by the Meiji is insane to even think about. Typo posted:Both Japan AND China saw what was coming and tried to modernize: the difference is that China was in the line of fire of European colonialism sooner than Japan was. But more importantly, that China did not have an effective central government (which was a conscious decision on the part of some Qing emperors) whereas Japan had one of the most bureaucratized societies in Asia. The result was japan had a government capable of pursuing state led modernization where China's modernization programs were less successful. The Japanese also had to fight two civil wars during the process of modernization, which if the same happened in China would have Western powers playing up factions just to make sure the Qing couldn't centralize - which is exactly what they did during the Taiping rebellion until it looked like the Taiping could win. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 18:27 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Dec 13, 2019 18:24
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it would be nice if you explained what these meant in more detail than a tweet
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Dec 13, 2019 18:58
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Lightning Knight posted:it would be nice if you explained what these meant in more detail than a tweet HK protestors that fled to Taiwan are now laying siege to their migration office with 3 demands (right of resettlement/given jobs, sanctions on Hong Kong police who want to visit, and passage of laws opening the floodgates to HK rioters who want to move to Taiwan). Obviously this is not going over well with the public.
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Dec 13, 2019 19:05
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Taiwan's government is not super interested in this influx of HKers in general. One fear is lots of elderly want to escape HK to TW but they're not coming to work or invest, just draw on public funds and might end up going back. If you can scrap together $200,000 there's an investment residency you can apply for but it seems people borrow from family, apply, get in, withdraw and pay back, which isn't what the visa is for, but there's a lot who are trying to do this now as well.
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Dec 13, 2019 19:48
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Kassad posted:What does it say on the tail? "Eat at Joe's"
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Dec 13, 2019 19:48
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Tokugawa Shogunate was incredibly decrepit at the time, and had to accept Commodore Perry forcibly opening up more ports for trade with the US because they had no defense against Western gunships. If they wanted to the Western powers could've easily done the same thing, but they didn't perceive Japan as being a valuable market on the scale of China that was worth going after. It was sucking up all of their attention just trying to divy up China and penetrate it internally. Nobody except the Chinese recognized just how fast Japan was embracing modernity in reaction to being forcibly opened, and the scale of centralization by the Meiji is insane to even think about. The Meiji government basically took over the government bureaucracy built by the Tokugawa and used it to modernize. People get the wrong idea about the Tokugawa vs the Meiji, and basically believed "the shogunate wanted to remain backwards and the Meiji wanted industrialize" when in reality both sides were trying to modernize. quote:scale of centralization by the Meiji is insane to even think about. quote:The Japanese also had to fight two civil wars during the process of modernization, which if the same happened in China would have Western powers playing up factions just to make sure the Qing couldn't centralize - which is exactly what they did during the Taiping rebellion until it looked like the Taiping could win. A strong central Qing government could and would have crushed the Taiping rebellion in its infancy. The problem with the Qing dynasty was some of the early Qing emperors conciously avoided expanding government and raising taxes as the population of China quadrippled during the early-mid Qing dynasty. The result was that the Chinese government faced a huge governing crisis at the exact moment when western colonialist got the weapons/tech to exploit China' weakness. There's nothing immutable or unstoppable about the forces of white western colonialism, China under a strong government could have successfully resisted them. A Qing dynasty which did not allow the Chinese state to atrophy in the early 19th century probably would have survived the 19th century and evolved into a bourgois parliamentary constituional monarchy. Meaning China would have taken a far different road towards Socialism with Chinese characteristics. Typo has issued a correction as of 20:05 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Dec 13, 2019 19:51
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Typo posted:The Tokugawa shogunate was not "decreipt" even they lacked the weapons to defend themselves on the short term. I mean Ieyasu was literally decrepit. He was bedridden when Perry showed up the first time, and it paralyzed the government.
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Dec 13, 2019 20:12
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I mean Ieyasu was literally decrepit. He was bedridden when Perry showed up the first time, and it paralyzed the government. yeah that's fair, but that's the issue with the imcumbent leader and not the state institutions of the shogunate at as a whole
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Dec 13, 2019 20:13
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A couple things about the modernization efforts by the gun powder empires (Qing and Ottoman). Both empires were ruled by a minority ethnic group holding for their dear lives. This kind of government is easiest to be influenced by foreign imperial powers， because the upper structure is very fragile. They would give up a lot of sovereign rights to let the external powers to help them stay in place. Gun powder empires also didn't care about sovereign rights that much because they were pre-Westphalian. Modern countries that are still ruled by minorities are Bahrain and Syria. As far as industrialization goes China has no good quality iron ore but a lot of coal. And didn't find any oil until the 50s.
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hachi machi
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