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With heads uncovered swear we all To bare it onward 'til we fall Come dungeons dark or gallows grim This song shall be our parting hymn Raise the scarlet standard high Beneath its folds we'll live and die Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer We'll keep the red flag flying here
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Nucleic Acids posted:I cannot even conceive of how any migrant, refugee, or EU citizen residing in Britain must feel. i feel like at least i have a relatively easy option to gently caress off back to somewhere in the EU really don't want to have to do that though, fuckin' 'ell the conservatives have gone full republican (in the "gop" sense) and if they really also have a chokehold on the whole country now, well, loving goddamn
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Labour going Full Remain would have done gently caress all. Turns out people just really want Brexit. Ugggghhhhh
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This is your Trump moment guys. It didn’t need to happen but it was overwhelmingly probably gonna happen. If you play your cards right, over the next few years you could see the tories rent asunder by their own hubristic bullshit, but you need to play your cards right.
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Corbyn may go but the left has control of the party now it just needs to start organising redguards
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OwlFancier posted:If it is due to demographic support shifting then I don't know that strategy matters. It is quite possible that people over 30 just don't believe things can get better, on the whole, and will vote with low information based on what the news tells them to do. The press ran an absurdly anti-labour campaign and it seems to have worked on labour's traditional support base, despite labour's policy being wholly in their favour. "These are good things but it's impossible to pay for good things" has been a depressingly frequent comment. I think neoliberalism has just convinced people that actually the state can't do things.
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Thom12255 posted:The new plan for the UK left is a resurgence after Brexit wrecks the economy and maybe rejoining the EU in 25 years when the xenophobes have all died off. If nothing else, the "We Warned You" and "You Could Have Stopped This" campaign over the next five years of complete deterioration deserve your full energy.
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Bacon Terrorist posted:'Lol Corbyn is dumb he shouldn't have offered something totally different it was too essy to attack' He should have gone all in on remain
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There's no point in centrist leaders. It just changes the socialist voting from 35% to 0%.
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Corbyn can't stay on and have any legitimacy, he's lost two elections in a row. There's nothing wrong with Corbynism, but he needs to pass the torch onto someone who can rebuild from this.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:This is your Trump moment guys. It didn’t need to happen but it was overwhelmingly probably gonna happen. If you play your cards right, over the next few years you could see the tories rent asunder by their own hubristic bullshit, but you need to play your cards right. brexit was our trump moment, the renting asunder happened, and it made no loving difference
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Well this is disappointing. But the fight goes on. Brexit may have broken people's brains but eventually the Conservatives will lose. And when that happens we need a socialist Labour party to take over. Tomorrow the fight starts for the successor to Corbyn, and the PLP will be ruthless. It's now our job to make sure our party doesn't get taken over by the likes of Jess loving Phillips.
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Kaal posted:The mass amounts of SNP seats being won mean that they'll be able to make it a constant issue. If the Tories refuse any form of a referendum, then it will turn it into a constant sticking point and basically doom that union. Not only that, but it would probably kick off similar independence momentum in Northern Ireland. In ten years, the UK could very well be reduced to just England and Wales. Which to be fair, apparently doesn't bother many Brits. This is a great result for the SNP's independence ambitions - they get to spend the next 5 years complaining in Westminister that the English Tories won't give them a vote and don't care about Scotland. They can blame everything (and there will be a lot a bad poo poo in the next 5 years) on the Tories and say that stopping it can only be done with independence.
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OldMemes posted:Alienating traditional Labour voters, floating voters and centrists was a bad move. OwlFancier posted:If it is due to demographic support shifting then I don't know that strategy matters. It is quite possible that people over 30 just don't believe things can get better, on the whole, and will vote with low information based on what the news tells them to do. The press ran an absurdly anti-labour campaign and it seems to have worked on labour's traditional support base, despite labour's policy being wholly in their favour. the 'traditional labour voters' bloc will be a deeply important group to analyse if, indeed, they have gone tory everything i'd heard from fairly trustworthy media sources was that JC is/was deeply unpopular amongst many voters, including them suspect it was him rather than the policies. i voted for him in both leadership elections. would like to know exactly what it is; it could all be media bias but I suspect it goes deeper than that keir starmer I think will stand a good shot of getting the leadership
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Cefte posted:This must be what the McGovern campaign felt like.
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freeasinbeer posted:Anyone who dared to maybe point out that Corbyn might not deliver jam socialism forever was ran out of the thread. If those figures are close to reality he needs to go. Yeah definitely. The thread is massively toxic if you're not into roleplaying the Tennis Court Oath. Kaal fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:I cannot even conceive of how any migrant, refugee, or EU citizen residing in Britain must feel. My wife only moved here 3 years ago on an EU passport. She's already gone to bed in disbelief and disappointment. So now we have to look into alternative options as I'm sure the permanent residence deadline will kick in on Brexit day. And I'm loving gutted too as I work in the NHS. So, poo poo all around.
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It really seems like the country needs to actually experience brexit and another five years of Tory rule before they loving get it loving hell.
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I hope they dont manage to sell of the NHS American style health insurance sucks even if you have "good" insurance
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The success of the anti semetic smears against Corbyn is super depressing. Modern day politics is just basically lying about everything and letting Facebook and the corporate media amplify your lies.
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sebzilla posted:Labour going Full Remain would have done gently caress all. My uneducated guess is that Brexit simply split Labour more than Tories, and I don't know that there is a good answer to that. The left always has more problems papering over ideological disagreements than the right. People who want to lick the authoritarian boot of big daddy are by nature much easier to whip into voting party line no matter how much it hurts them. Kaal posted:I'd say that they're pretty similar in terms of their relationship with their respective parties. Both Corbyn and Bernie struggle with acting as leaders of an organized political party. National policy-wise Bernie seems to have better finger on the pulse of his constituency. Drawing parallels between US and UK politics beyond WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS poo poo is really dangerous. I'd say that Bernie benefits HUGELY from not having anything like Brexit that cuts across party lines to worry about really. There is a centrist-left divide with the dems, but the country might vote for a turnip instead of Trump by 2020, but hopefully it doesn't come to a Biden nomination for us to find out.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:This is your Trump moment guys. It didn’t need to happen but it was overwhelmingly probably gonna happen. If you play your cards right, over the next few years you could see the tories rent asunder by their own hubristic bullshit, but you need to play your cards right.
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Look after yourselves comrades we need you for the next bit of the fight
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Electric Bugaloo posted:This is your Trump moment guys. It didn’t need to happen but it was overwhelmingly probably gonna happen. If you play your cards right, over the next few years you could see the tories rent asunder by their own hubristic bullshit, but you need to play your cards right. Brexit was their Trump. This is the consequences of it. Bodes well for the US, don't it? mcmagic posted:The success of the anti semetic smears against Corbyn is super depressing. Modern day politics is just basically lying about everything and letting Facebook and the corporate media amplify your lies. Lying and cheating has always been what politics was about.
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Thom12255 posted:This is a great result for the SNP's independence ambitions - they get to spend the next 5 years complaining in Westminister that the English Tories won't give them a vote and don't care about Scotland. They can blame everything (and there will be a lot a bad poo poo in the next 5 years) on the Tories and say that stopping it can only be done with independence. Would any of that be incorrect tho?
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So when are the first actual proper results coming in? Should be right about now yeah?
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100% there will be a poll that says a ton of traditional labor voters abstained because they heard corbyn was an antisemite
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95% chance of Jo Swinson losing her seat according to the BBC detail The smallest of silver linings
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I'm just a dumb american popping in but, please stay safe you guys. I care about you all. Don't give up. Never stop fighting.
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Kaal posted:Yeah definitely. The thread is massively toxic. lol the only thing toxic here is your smell, dweeb
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If Brexit fails they will just blame Labour for not backing a deal pre-election It will never be their fault.
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RabidWeasel posted:"These are good things but it's impossible to pay for good things" has been a depressingly frequent comment. I think neoliberalism has just convinced people that actually the state can't do things. That has also been my experience. And that is the problem, if you run as the tories in a red rosette you might win, but you can't do anything with it and you will cause untold damage in the long run.
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I, as an American  , am very confused about all this HOWEVERI just want to say: I really like that image in the op hahah it's wacky as gently caress
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Lads can I remind you all we've not had a single result in
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Thread moved on during my edit so to add : Don't give up. The fight continues later, take a breather. If the poll is right, the consequences won't take long to transpire and socialism will be there again. Solidarity.
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Look forward to the wah wah wah in January when Brexit doesn't magically get wrapped up as promised. But but but how could he lie to us again? 
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mcmagic posted:The success of the anti semetic smears against Corbyn is super depressing. Modern day politics is just basically lying about everything and letting Facebook and the corporate media amplify your lies. The anti-semitism business did nothing, I want to say it was 80% Brexit and 20% Labour promising the world to people who massively distrust politicians on instinct.
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Squiddycat posted:I'm just a dumb american popping in but, please stay safe you guys. I care about you all. Thank you comrade
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