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Venomous posted:https://twitter.com/jrhopkin/status/1205309595968823297?s=19 Lid posted:Australian here: this is it. Just reposting what i said in the UK thread Also adding that being soft right wont work either, i.e. Corbyn being wishy washy on Brexit saying "we'll do what the public wants". This is not a good position vs GIT R DUN Why vore for the echo when you can vote for the shout?
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Senor Tron posted:Not a chance. There is a lobby going on to create a free movement deal between the UK, Canada and Australia much like the present Aust/ NZ one. Its well and truly on the table in a post Brexit trade deal.
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Dec 13, 2019 07:13
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hambeet posted:ahhhh there's that anidav blind optimism. straight to the veins. You need some gently caress head whose from the centre and who'll stay in for a term or two, get re elected and then shift to the left while organically explaining themselves to the public. Then we need a royal commission into media ownership. What seems to be a recurring theme these elections is that you cannot ask for a mandate to change society for the better from opposition. Social media has made it very easy to be afraid of new ideas outside that Tory status quo. You basically need a Centre politician to become PM and surround him with left wing cabinet ministers so they organically grows into a socialist. I dunno how to explain it. Tony Blair but if he gets a second term a microchip in his brain turns him into a young Bernie Sanders or something. Maybe what Albanese is trying to do but I'm not sure.
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Albanese is failing because you cant believe a word he is saying. People vote for when they believe someone as horrifyingly dishonest as what those promises are. No one believed Bill Shprten as he lacked charisma and conviction "i believe..." he was against ScoMo who is a reptile in an ill fitting human suit but made clear their terrinle policies and won an unwinnable election because the other guy was so uninspiring.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:There is a lobby going on to create a free movement deal between the UK, Canada and Australia much like the present Aust/ NZ one. Its well and truly on the table in a post Brexit trade deal. I know there's groups pushing for it, it's just that pretty much all the effort seems to be coming from some in the UK trying to find something to give more options post-Brexit. I don't see any push for it from here and Canada.
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Senor Tron posted:I know there's groups pushing for it, it's just that pretty much all the effort seems to be coming from some in the UK trying to find something to give more options post-Brexit. I don't see any push for it from here and Canada. There is lobbying going on here and from Canada. Mostly under the radar ATM but I suspect 2020 its going to get noisier
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:There is lobbying going on here and from Canada. Mostly under the radar ATM but I suspect 2020 its going to get noisier We'll see. Still think it will never happen, especially when you consider how many UK young people would happily leave for Canada/Aus/NZ.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Shorten should have just made up some bullshit that climate change is real but solvable and we’re going to make a fuckton of money by being world leaders in it No, it wouldn’t have, because voters wouldn’t have believed him. They didn’t believe that electric cars exist, and you’re suggesting they would have believed some horseshit about a just transition? Come on, dude
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BBJoey posted:They didn’t believe that electric cars exist
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Dec 13, 2019 07:36
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they should have campaigned on tax cuts across the board, and then just done all the climate poo poo once they got in
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Dec 13, 2019 07:37
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bell jar posted:they should have campaigned on tax cuts across the board, and then just done all the climate poo poo once they got in i'm not sure tackling emissions by having a single 3-year Labor term every 20 years is sustainable
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bell jar posted:they should have campaigned on tax cuts across the board, and then just done all the climate poo poo once they got in [where is the money coming from etc' etc' tax cuts will lead to increased taxes etc' etc']
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bell jar posted:they should have campaigned on tax cuts across the board, and then just done all the climate poo poo once they got in You see what happened to the last PM who tried to tackle climate change?
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Oh look at that, a bushfire about 1 or 2km from where i work, hurray
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anyway a reminder for anyone feeling the hurt: https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/27/how-to-avoid-despairing-when-the-world-is-going-to-sht-10471303/
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Dec 13, 2019 07:47
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i mean, getting in and then getting out of govt is a lot better than not getting in in the first place. just fuckin lie and do whatever you want, who cares, it works for the libs
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Dec 13, 2019 07:48
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bell jar posted:i mean, getting in and then getting out of govt is a lot better than not getting in in the first place. just fuckin lie and do whatever you want, who cares, it works for the libs You're very slightly wrong - what sank Abbott was two bold faced lies. The first was his election eve No Cuts promise. The second was the first budget. You cant lie that hard and have the people not rebel. No you just need to make big promises that uou eill follow through on that include the entire method is lies. For example saying 100% RENEWABLES is the big point, saying ALL COAL MINERS WILL HAVE A JOB THROUGH THIS is the lie. People will complain about them not being coal work but you said 100% renewables and if you do that no issue. People by and large are consequentialists not deontological. Give them the 100% consequence that will occur and they will forgive the explootation and morality of the methods to get there. See also - maube decent brexit vs WE WILL BREXIT KOOLAID MAN
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MORE FRANKING CREDITS FOR RETIREES AND SMALL BUSINESS by taxing corporate profits at 99%
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Bernstrike posted:MORE FRANKING CREDITS FOR RETIREES AND SMALL BUSINESS by taxing corporate profits at 99% This Would Work
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Ah yes, Abbott was sunk and replaced with...the same government.
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bowmore posted:anyway a reminder for anyone feeling the hurt: https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/27/how-to-avoid-despairing-when-the-world-is-going-to-sht-10471303/ I unironically appreciate your posting of this. It's no paradigm shift but it's good to read something positive for a change. Maybe I'll leave the climate change threads on 'unread' for a few days
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i grew up in a town named after sir henry parkes, father of federation and pioneer of the white australia policy. he had little to no connection to the town but for some reason they were obsessed with him, the same way elvis had little or no connection to the town and is now a local religion. one mufti day at school i had to dress up as the man, that's how mad they were about him. he wanted my family cast out of the country!
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Dec 13, 2019 09:26
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bell jar posted:i mean, getting in and then getting out of govt is a lot better than not getting in in the first place. just fuckin lie and do whatever you want, who cares, it works for the libs I unironically think this is Labor's best hope for winning the next election. Not even lie necessarily, just don't explain every single policy idea or decision ahead of time. Get elected and then institute
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Synthbuttrange posted:wait 6 months for half of the uk to be on fire and Labour being blamed well in part they probably can be. if corbyn had of given more than precisely zero fucks and campaigned hard against brexit it may not have got up. even if a 'no' didn't wound cameron terminally labour would at least be chipping away on issues of austerity by now. it's not a could have/should have scenario - he was just loving negligent Graic Gabtar fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Tarantula posted:Nah it's all good I understand how overwhelming those things are and I know the people helping us were doing the best they can. When we got evacuated we managed to get to an apartment block and the groundskeeper there was working all night to find people including us somewhere to stay, I went back after the floods and thanked him with a bottle of whiskey, sadly people in that apartment block had put in complaints against him because of what he did. Some people really suck, some people go above and beyond. I'm glad you were able to get a good outcome goon. Makes the realising my gloves are soaked in literal human poo poo worth it.
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Also has anyone considered Boomers hate socialism because of old Red Panic, and now they can never divorce the views of that from Socialism. Because they see it as no different to Communism?
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I guess the next political big deal is when the queen kicks it She's like a hundred now
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Gridlocked posted:Also has anyone considered Boomers hate socialism because of old Red Panic, and now they can never divorce the views of that from Socialism. Because they see it as no different to Communism? I thought this was essentially an axiom of modern political theory.
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The Peccadillo posted:I guess the next political big deal is when the queen kicks it It’s been planned down to the last detail
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The Peccadillo posted:I guess the next political big deal is when the queen kicks it She's 93, she could go another decade. Personally I hope she does just because the caricature of Charles that I've created in my head is one of somebody who really really wants to be king and is growing more and more frustrated with every passing year.
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Dec 13, 2019 11:11
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I hope she lives forever because having to experience literally any of the cornucopia of drivel that will go on every tv channel if she does keel over (from every royalist sycophant in the media) will be enough to drive me insane.
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You know I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of people getting all big on the death of the Queen. She's just this distant, ephemeral old lady who acts as a living embodiment of all the good ideals people put around western civilisation. Polite, graceful, magnanimous, unreal but at the same time having traits that appear to remind people despite all the pomp and circumstance she's still a human. Like I get a living embodiment of the defunct monarchies is a bit weird a thing to keep spending masses of money on. And that it's existence is a reminder of the bad things the old Empire did. Annnnd all the shitshows of contrivances involving her husband, son and Lady Dianna. But she's still this little old lady who appears to be doing as much good as she can from her weirdly unique position. And I think people screaming for the blood of a little old lady is insane.
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Whitlam posted:I unironically think this is Labor's best hope for winning the next election. Not even lie necessarily, just don't explain every single policy idea or decision ahead of time. Get elected and then institute but labor aren't the good guys either https://twitter.com/GrogsGamut/status/1201995348404649984?s=20
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hambeet posted:but labor aren't the good guys either How come the Right's party sounds more fun tho?
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