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gh0stpinballa posted:since we're sharing music and poems here an extremely fitting mood right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgDd06D5p5U love this rendition
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Jose posted:i also agree with this take I pretty much agree with everything in that thread.
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“Don’t mourn: organise” is a mantra for a reason. Not to go all scotpol but the snp saw the results they have over past 5 years is cos the day after indyref their membership went from around 25k to 125k. Their membership as a % of population is much higher than Lab uk wide. Corbyns backing by momentum saw a boost for lab but proportionally nowhere near the same. We’re gonna need more parallel structures and more extra-parliamentary organisation of the socialist ground team to cope with the absolute shitshow that we’re gonna be hit with. Reading fowk in discord yesterday saying all the lefties in their wee town drank at the tory club cos it was open on Sunday was less anecdotally funny and more heartbreaking for me. The Labour clubs I was too young to go to have all disappeared but formed part of that community base for them in the 70s/80s. See also black panthers and their breakfast clubs. Theres similar things around - see Food Not Bombs etc. Less emphasis on electoralism and the personality as leader (as amusing as the Oh Jeremy Corbyn singing was it was loving cringe too) and more on what positive changes socialism can have on peoples lives. Substituting a movement for a leader cos easy media image of one person doesnt always work. As we just found out  . (And I already knew, gently caress you Sheridan)I always worried the poo poo FPTP system was leaving something in a pressure cooker with the bnp/ukip/brexit votes not seeing anything at Westminster. We need electoral reform so that those lovely attitudes can’t bubble up in a “brexit cos we are completely ignored on EU” way again. Its gonna loving suck short term when it gives our enemies a boost but its the only way medium-long term to democratise these poisoned islands. (See also brexit ref where a tiny amount of fowk beforehand were screaming blue murder about the disenfranchisement of eu citizens and the under 18s and even now only a small number retroactively complain about it) And for those in Lab - dont give into those remaining right wing Blairite melt cunts. It was their poo poo triangulation for 20 years that ratfucked you severing you from your base. The work done for the past 4 years to rebuild that has been incredible and inspiring. That it hasnt paid off yet isnt a reason to give up. You need to hold the line and rebuild. Even if its one step forward two steps back at first. We’re gonna have a lot of loving people left behind and abandoned by the vulture capitalist bastards who now have a majority and we need to step the gently caress up and do what we can to alleviate as much of this poo poo as we can.
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zhar posted:turns out hope, after all, was a lie nah hope is good actually
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Well for what it’s worth, my solidly LD mum took one look at the results and decided to join Labour. This is a long term project, don’t give up.
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Rustybear posted:also if you think this is bad spare a thought for the all the socialists who woke up in 1931 to con 210->470 lab 235->54 at the absolute depth of the great depression. they stuck it out and we got the nhs 15 years later. Yeah I don't think the end result of world war 3 will be double-NHS
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lol have I infected you with Stan Rogers? never let it be said I did nothing in my time here.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Ultimately Blair, Campbell et al are to blame for renegading on the PR part of their 1997 manifesto. This is undeniable. If the Jenkins report had been implemented we would have been living in a mediocre centre left country instead for the last 20 years instead of far right hell world.
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Please no one blame yourselves for this result. You may be thinking "I didn't do enough!" But you did. You did what you could, and without your efforts things would probably have been a little bit worse. This is not on you. It is on the lying monsters who rule us. You are wonderful people, and you did all that you could. You have earned my thanks, and you have earned a rest. Send up a shitpost when you're ready to re-engage 
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Hey Brits, here is your GAMEPLAN for Labour, battle tested in Germany by the glorious SPD: - Realize you hosed - Move away from the left, perhaps a bit more center, yes? Compromise. IMMIGRANTS, but only a little - Old people didn't vote for us. All we need to do for the next years is to cater exclusively to old people whilst loving the young - Vote in a quick succession of ineffectual leaders with no charisma - Try coalitions with conservatives - Start losing to the Greens - Run out of ideas, cater more to the center and to old people - CONGRATS, YOU ARE NOW THE FOURTH STRONGEST PARTY - Possibly fifth Take heed Brits, this is how you destroy a hundred+ year old party after such a result
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‘Heartlands’ seem fairly jubilant, cities not so much. Idiots like Lisa McKenzie saying ‘this is why middle class intellectuals shouldn’t tell working class people what they want’. Of course, that’s for the capitalist class to do.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Great choice, particularly if you vote left. Red party needs your vote to gently caress over the right wing. I've been here for a while. Just gonna make it official. Not even going to keep my British citizenship either.
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I went into work today and oooooooh that was a mistake. Didn't drink but didn't sleep either.
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can someone confirm if wwii was in fact pretty bad? asking for a friend
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if you have the option a spare citizenship in your back pocket is never a bad thing. trust me on this one.
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CoolCab posted:if you have the option a spare citizenship in your back pocket is never a bad thing. trust me on this one. mine would be israel
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As someone who doesn't want to drudge through the already tiresome election post-mortems, can anyone elucidate for me what this means strictly in terms of Brexit? Does this mean that the last milquetoast deal Johnson put forward before the campaign began is likely to pass in January, or is a hard Brexit now a distinct possibility on January 31 given the Tory majority and its cannibalism of the Brexit party? I've never really prepared much for the previous deadlines, just because I assumed that dithering would lead to continued delay, but now I'm seriously thinking I might need to prepare in the new year.
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MeinPanzer posted:As someone who doesn't want to drudge through the already tiresome election post-mortems, can anyone elucidate for me what this means strictly in terms of Brexit? Does this mean that the last milquetoast deal Johnson put forward before the campaign began is likely to pass in January, or is a hard Brexit now a distinct possibility on January 31 given the Tory majority and its cannibalism of the Brexit party? johnsons deal was always an extremely hard brexit
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MeinPanzer posted:As someone who doesn't want to drudge through the already tiresome election post-mortems, can anyone elucidate for me what this means strictly in terms of Brexit? Does this mean that the last milquetoast deal Johnson put forward before the campaign began is likely to pass in January, or is a hard Brexit now a distinct possibility on January 31 given the Tory majority and its cannibalism of the Brexit party? Edit: To be clear here, it's obviously not a common market package so it is already a hard brexit do that extent. It just simply won't be "we'll try it without any sort of deal whatsoever."
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CoolCab posted:lol have I infected you with Stan Rogers? never let it be said I did nothing in my time here.  Erik Petersen).Stan Rogers good tho. Rustybear posted:can someone confirm if wwii was in fact pretty bad? asking for a friend
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Jose posted:mine would be israel alright, touche
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lookslikerain posted:I've been here for a while. Just gonna make it official. Not even going to keep my British citizenship either. As long as you were born in UK you can always get it back anyway, short of being Isis
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According to some initial polling on former Labour voters that switched, it seems Corbyn himself was the biggest concern (the media narrative won), followed by whether his policies were unaffordable, and then Brexit third...
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If there's one good thing that can come from this, it is electoral reform. You fine folks need to get yourselves rid of this winner-takes-all spoilerific system you've got, and do single transferable vote or mixed-member proportional representation
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Pesmerga posted:According to some initial polling on former Labour voters that switched, it seems Corbyn himself was the biggest concern (the media narrative won), followed by whether his policies were unaffordable, and then Brexit third... Cool well done BBC.
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loving unaffordable, get hosed cunts
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MeinPanzer posted:As someone who doesn't want to drudge through the already tiresome election post-mortems, can anyone elucidate for me what this means strictly in terms of Brexit? Does this mean that the last milquetoast deal Johnson put forward before the campaign began is likely to pass in January, or is a hard Brexit now a distinct possibility on January 31 given the Tory majority and its cannibalism of the Brexit party? Boris' deal, which is the the same as May's with a dash of NI isolation, will go through and the UK will leave the EU by the end of January. Then a transitional period begins where we try and negotiate future EU relationship. BoJo seems to think this will be done by the end of 2020 but everyone knows it's impossible without major concessions like a customs union. Very real prospect of that we effectively NDB into total isolation then.
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stev posted:Cool well done BBC. the entire media
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D. Ebdrup posted:If there's one good thing that can come from this, it is electoral reform. Yeah that’s not likely to happen after a historic majority where people seem to like ‘winner takes all’. Johnson’s got the majority to really gently caress with the boundaries and composition of the house now too.
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caps on caps on caps posted:Hey Brits, here is your GAMEPLAN for Labour, battle tested in Germany by the glorious SPD: To be fair, the SPD was doomed the moment their left wing up and left to join the Linke. Labour at least didn't have everyone left of Blair get up and walk out, so they still have a fighting chance.
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Orange Devil posted:As an addendum to 2: I've worked in warehousing and distribution in the Netherlands for the past 5 years. That means the majority of my colleagues is eastern European, first almost entirely Polish, now more and more Romanian. A lot of those colleagues are absolutely great people and I've become friends with a whole bunch of them. At the same time, unionization has been declining the more old Dutch colleagues are retiring and being replaced with more eastern Europeans. I see absolutely atrocious things happening to some of the most vulnerable temp workers from those places simply because they don't know their rights, don't speak the language, are young and stuck on temp contracts and usually have had what little support network they might have had back where they come from broken up by their migration(s) (so many have worked in multiple countries and sometimes easily in over a dozen vastly different jobs). How the gently caress do you even begin to organize a crowd like that? The sad fact is that it'd be infinitely easier to push back on some of the poo poo the company has been pushing if the vast majority of my colleagues were Dutch instead. And it is absolutely true that the reason warehouse workers' wages have been stagnant for over a decade now is because there's always been another new desolate eastern European place turbofucked by capitalism they can bus in desperate people from to replace the ones who are finally too fed up with it (or worse). As an EU-migrant (from west to east), with in-laws and plenty of friends and colleagues that have worked or are still working elsewhere in the EU (and most of them in qualified jobs), gently caress you and your nationalist bullshit.
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Why are we so bad
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Pesmerga posted:Yeah that’s not likely to happen after a historic majority where people seem to like ‘winner takes all’. Johnson’s got the majority to really gently caress with the boundaries and composition of the house now too. voter ID and all other sorts of voter suppression
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There’s indications too that there was a sudden swing against Labour after the MRP polling, there’s some suspicion that the prospect of another hung parliament and nothing being achieved for years made people switch.
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I think I may be beaten, to be honest. It is hard not to view this as simply the suggestion that capitalism has won for the time being. That enough people are sufficiently atomized and influenced by the organs of the state and capital that class consciousness can not develop. And even using the easiest routes available to us, we cannot reach them enough to build a counter narrative. We are on a time limit and I do not see how the barrier can be overcome in time to stop catastrophe, and that whatever world comes out the other side is likely to bear no relation to any concept of politics we understand now, because it will be too materially different. The human cost will be unimaginable. If the labour party changes to compete and win on capitalist terms, it will not be able to solve the problems it needs to. And I do not think that our society will abide parallel structures any better than it abides left politics generally, there are too many pressures opposing them, I think, for them to take off. Socialism must win, but I do not think it can.
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