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duck trucker posted:At the very least he might think she probably won't forgive him for killing Judd even though she's the one who gave him the idea. My recollection was that he said she wouldn't forgive him for something he was doing next, i.e., some additional action after Judd was hanged.
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I honestly hope Angela doesn't get Jon powers. I hope nobody does. I do not think anyone deserves them. I'm hoping that's where this is going. "He gave me his powers, and I realized I don't want them".
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tonight I finally realized how "A God Walks Into Abar" fit with the rest of the episodes thematically, it's about escaping who you are, and it's about the limits of escapism; you can escape being Doctor Manhattan; you can escape Europa however, even with godlike power, even with love and luck on your side, there are things you can't escape, and turns out one of these things is white supremacy! funny how that works! anyways that's what I figured out thank you good night!
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Xanderkish posted:Maybe this will be the point in the past 3000 years that we resolve the free will debate. Here, in the Something Awful forums. In the Watchmen tv thread. If you actually read my posts, you'll see that I've said multiple times "and at that point it becomes religion, and none of us can prove it, and you're free to believe what you want". So that's not remotely the point. I just wanted to explain the concepts to him, and he was asking. Now he knows what I mean, and we can just agree to disagree. But before he didn't understand what I was saying. That's something. We don't have to agree on everything; that's not the point. Its just fun to talk about and also share new concepts, even if you don't believe in those concepts, thinking about them is worth doing. Deal with it.
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If I were Dr Manhattan I'd make whichever choice results in the last ten pages of this thread not happening.
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Basebf555 posted:He doesn't play by those rules though, that's really what it comes down to. The confusion and inability we have to wrap our heads around his perception of time is obviously the point. No I get it, I'm explicitly critiquing the cinematography. If it was blocked and shot better then we wouldn't have had a multi-page debate going on right now.
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Skitz posted:If I were Dr Manhattan I'd make whichever choice results in the last ten pages of this thread not happening. 
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https://twitter.com/sepinwall/status/1205326070213435392?s=12 Two minutes too short.
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Here is a palate cleanser: https://watchmenphotomanips.tumblr.com/ e. 
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Dec 13, 2019 05:14
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Skitz posted:If I were Dr Manhattan I'd make whichever choice results in the last ten pages of this thread not happening. As if posting this is any better?
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just another posted:Here is a palate cleanser: https://watchmenphotomanips.tumblr.com/
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I’ve only read 120 of the past 125 pages, so possibly it was brought up, but one thing is bothering me about Dr. Manhattan. Between showing Angela the walking on water, making the possibly magic waffles, and visiting Will to get him to Tulsa, it really seems like Dr. Manhattan was getting his affairs in order because he knew he was about to die. He does know he’s about to die, but does using future information to inform his current actions break the rules of Manhattan? On one hand, he constantly uses future info in conversation, but it still kind of feels like it shouldn’t work that way.
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Taber posted:I’ve only read 120 of the past 125 pages, so possibly it was brought up, but one thing is bothering me about Dr. Manhattan. Between showing Angela the walking on water, making the possibly magic waffles, and visiting Will to get him to Tulsa, it really seems like Dr. Manhattan was getting his affairs in order because he knew he was about to die. He does know he’s about to die, but does using future information to inform his current actions break the rules of Manhattan? On one hand, he constantly uses future info in conversation, but it still kind of feels like it shouldn’t work that way. Welcome to the Watchmen thread. You are about to be approached by two individuals violently raving about free will, agency and determinism. If this sounds like your sort of thing, take a seat and start screaming into the void. Otherwise I'd suggest you back out now and just accept the show as presented.
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precision posted:As if posting this is any better? At least it was brief and to the point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also, there are no blue waffles, y'all. Remember, Angela broke all the e-oh hoooly poo poo 
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Chadzok posted:violently raving about free will  If you don't wanna talk about stuff why are you reading an internet thread. Maybe you're the one who needs to back out now and accept the show as presented?
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People are surprised that the guy who walked into an Intrinsic field generator not once, but twice, might not have the best self preservation instincts.
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Zaphod42 posted:
this is a post on a joke forum and I enjoy your rants. I read the thread because I like show and conversation about said show. why do you keep thinking me a bad person
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Shut up zaphod
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Zaphod42 posted:
lol calm down Beavis
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Taber posted:I’ve only read 120 of the past 125 pages, so possibly it was brought up, but one thing is bothering me about Dr. Manhattan. Between showing Angela the walking on water, making the possibly magic waffles, and visiting Will to get him to Tulsa, it really seems like Dr. Manhattan was getting his affairs in order because he knew he was about to die. He does know he’s about to die, but does using future information to inform his current actions break the rules of Manhattan? On one hand, he constantly uses future info in conversation, but it still kind of feels like it shouldn’t work that way. You should probably read the pages again because this has been gone over like a dozen times. (The answer is no, this is how closed time loops work)
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When Manhattan is using future information in conversation he's trying to word stuff in a way that would make sense to who he is talking to. Like when he laughs about being told by Angela/Veidt that he has an amazing/no imagination he goes "That's funny because 6 months from now/6 months ago I was told the opposite." But from his perspective what he wants to say is "That's funny because I'm being told the opposite right now."
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duck trucker posted:When Manhattan is using future information in conversation he's trying to word stuff in a way that would make sense to who he is talking to. I'd have to go back and rewatch, but doesn't Dr. M always speak in the present? "Six months from now, Adrian is telling me that I don't have any imagination."
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OK... so Dr. Manhattan said that he could put his power into something that a person could consume to gain said powers. He was talking hypothetically about an egg. Later, Angela breaks the eggs. Then he's straight-up pullin' a Jesus Christ on the family's pool, and he looks at her and says, "This is a Chekhov's Gun." Clearly, he put his power into the water. She must drink the pool water to get his powers. All of it.
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Zaphod42 posted:
you have written literally thousands of words of utter poo poo and I've scrolled past every single one of them
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tarlibone posted:OK... so Dr. Manhattan said that he could put his power into something that a person could consume to gain said powers. He was talking hypothetically about an egg. Later, Angela breaks the eggs. Then he's straight-up pullin' a Jesus Christ on the family's pool, and he looks at her and says, "This is a Chekhov's Gun." It's Sunday. I am peeing in the pool so I don't have to get out. It's Thursday. I watch my adopted son drink some pool water on a dare. I smile.
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Farm Frenzy posted:you have written literally thousands of words of utter poo poo and I've scrolled past every single one of them Keep scrolling. Its easy to act superior when you don't engage. But all that does is make you the edgiest teen in high school. Either say something of your own or shut up.
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Zaphod42 posted:Keep scrolling.
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Hey, I've ignored this guy because I don't wanna read his posts.
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It's good this show only has one more episode
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Listen it's simple
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Time is gay and space is most of stuff. Not hard at all
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Adrien lecturing Jon about the insensitivity of presenting himself as a black man was pretty funny, huh?
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:Adrien lecturing Jon about the insensitivity of presenting himself as a black man was pretty funny, huh? It's also funny that he comes to place populated by beings capable of infinite love but he manages to turn them against him nonetheless.
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Alhazred posted:It's also funny that he comes to place populated by beings capable of infinite love but he manages to turn them against him nonetheless. I don't think they've turned against him (except for the Game Warden, whose own issues predate Veidt's arrival). The whole trial and punishment was all a put-on to help orchestrate his escape, in a way that I expect will become clear this weekend.
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I think it's funny that Veidt got sent to Paradise to live out Utopia but instead was its version of Satan, corrupting all that was good and introducing the evil of ~knowledge~ to the world...
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I think it's funny that Veidt got sent to Paradise to live out Utopia but instead was its version of Satan, corrupting all that was good and introducing the evil of ~knowledge~ to the world... Nice read, works well in the frame of Dr. M being the creator god
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Xanderkish posted:Maybe this will be the point in the past 3000 years that we resolve the free will debate. Here, in the Something Awful forums. In the Watchmen tv thread. Let's fuckin do it guys, I believe in y'all
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If I remember correctly, before Jon walked into the intrinsic field generator in 1985, he kind of sighs to himself, "Oh great, we're doing this thing." So he knows it's coming but is literally powerless to stop it. Or like when the Comedian kills the pregnant girl in Vietnam. "You could have turned the gun into butterflies or the bullets into snowflakes! But you didn't, did you? You just stood there and watched." Again, it happened not because he didn't have the physical power to stop it, but because it was inevitable, like everything else in his life. Also in the comic, he tells Laurie, "We're all puppets. I'm the only one who can see the strings." So Jon gets hit by the tachyon cannon because he was always hit by it, will always be hit by it.
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