Canon Thread: "I tried to give an EOS-M to a clown at the circus and he punched me"

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Auron: Jan 10, 2002; <img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

Canon refurb store has the 80D w/ 18-135mm on sale for $799 (840ish after tax) further muddying my camera search.

I'm really stuck between this and the m50 now ($613 w/ adapter from Adorama). I like the idea of a camera to tinker around with (80d) but also like how compact the m50 is. I know the 18-135mm is a very nice kit lens overall, especially compared to the supposedly garbage 15-45mm lens on the m50.

I'm stuck.

# ? Nov 26, 2019 18:05

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# ? May 17, 2024 09:58

AF: Oct 8, 2007; hi

Auron posted:

Canon refurb store has the 80D w/ 18-135mm on sale for $799 (840ish after tax) further muddying my camera search.

I'm really stuck between this and the m50 now ($613 w/ adapter from Adorama). I like the idea of a camera to tinker around with (80d) but also like how compact the m50 is. I know the 18-135mm is a very nice kit lens overall, especially compared to the supposedly garbage 15-45mm lens on the m50.

I'm stuck.

Is there a certain reason you want a body + kit lens? Canon's EF-S STM lenses are unbeatable bang for the buck imo and you have some great lenses from Sigma/Tamron too. I do understand if you want the convenience of the 18-135. My recently purchased 80D was $577 pretax from a reputable Japanese seller on eBay, which versus the refurb, leaves you with almost enough money for the 24mm 2.8 and 55-250 STM or the Tamron 60mm macro.

I thought about buying an EOS-M plus an EF-S adapter, but it seems Canon's EOS-M lineup is pretty lackluster (thread title, lol), minus the M6 Mk. II

Like you, I was coming from a T3 (not the i model though) and honestly I didn't need to upgrade yet. Yea, sometimes I struggled with the 9 point AF system, the terrible viewfinder, and low light performance, but I was quite satisfied with the end results. But if you got the cash to splash/upgrade bug :shrug:

# ? Dec 7, 2019 12:25

CAT INTERCEPTOR: Nov 9, 2004; Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

AF posted:

I thought about buying an EOS-M plus an EF-S adapter, but it seems Canon's EOS-M lineup is pretty lackluster (thread title, lol), minus the M6 Mk. II

The M6 mk II really is a drat fine camera. It's well worth anyone who has Canon glass to have a look esp if you are interested in beginning the jump to MILC, adapted EF or EF-S lenses just work flawlessly.

# ? Dec 8, 2019 10:13

AF: Oct 8, 2007; hi

I wish they went with a rangefinder style EVF instead of the goofy detachable unit. It woulda been perfect

# ? Dec 8, 2019 11:43

SMERSH Mouth: Jun 25, 2005

What bothered me was how low quality it was for something that sticks out obnoxiously like that, but apparently there's a better quality one; it just doesn't come bundled with the body. Gotta buy it separately.

# ? Dec 9, 2019 14:36

BetterLekNextTime: Jul 22, 2008; It's all a matter of perspective...; Grimey Drawer

So, uh, somebody talk me out of upgrading my original 6D for a 5dmkiv. I'm seeing one for $1799 at B&H right now (email offer).

# ? Dec 13, 2019 06:46

Helen Highwater: Feb 19, 2014; And furthermore; Grimey Drawer

I bought a 5div a few months ago. It's a beast of a camera. As an upgrade from my 70D it was a significant and immediate step-up. From a 6D it will still be a step-up but maybe not so massive.

I guess you already looked at the specs to see the changes in numbers, so I won't go into those but, the big improvement that's not really visible from just spec sheets is the better ergonomics - a rear joystick for AF point selection, a modifier button that you can use to toggle the wheel function (I set mine to ISO adjustment), and a bunch of other programmable buttons to make your life easier.

The only thing that I really miss from my 70D is the articulated rear screen, but the 6D doesn't have that either.

It's a big and heavy camera. That's the biggest downside you're going to encounter with it I would say. Much bigger and heavier than your 6D. If that's important to you then maybe an EOS R is a better upgrade (I looked at one when I bought my 5Div and decided against it, but YMMV).

# ? Dec 13, 2019 08:16

CAT INTERCEPTOR: Nov 9, 2004; Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

SMERSH Mouth posted:

What bothered me was how low quality it was for something that sticks out obnoxiously like that, but apparently there's a better quality one; it just doesn't come bundled with the body. Gotta buy it separately.

The M6 II is the EVF-DC2 as the bundle, not the DC1

# ? Dec 13, 2019 12:12

BetterLekNextTime: Jul 22, 2008; It's all a matter of perspective...; Grimey Drawer

Helen Highwater posted:

It's a big and heavy camera. That's the biggest downside you're going to encounter with it I would say. Much bigger and heavier than your 6D. If that's important to you then maybe an EOS R is a better upgrade (I looked at one when I bought my 5Div and decided against it, but YMMV).

Thanks for the opinion. I don�t think the size would put me off. I used to use battery grips with my Canon bodies.

I just need to decide whether I can afford to do this or not. I�ve already got a 7d2 for wildlife (mostly what I shoot), so this would be mainly landscape, macro, and occasional portrait-type stuff. The extra resolution would be the biggest selling point, or at least that�s probably the one thing that would allow me to get prints that i couldn�t get with the 6d. I�m assuming there�s not that big of a jump in dynamic range but I suppose I should look at that too. The AF and ergo would be nice but not worth the money in itself.

# ? Dec 13, 2019 17:34

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BetterLekNextTime posted:

Thanks for the opinion. I don�t think the size would put me off. I used to use battery grips with my Canon bodies.

I just need to decide whether I can afford to do this or not. I�ve already got a 7d2 for wildlife (mostly what I shoot), so this would be mainly landscape, macro, and occasional portrait-type stuff. The extra resolution would be the biggest selling point, or at least that�s probably the one thing that would allow me to get prints that i couldn�t get with the 6d. I�m assuming there�s not that big of a jump in dynamic range but I suppose I should look at that too. The AF and ergo would be nice but not worth the money in itself.

If the AF and ergonomics aren't important to you, then it may not be worth the money. I don't know, though. The AF on the 5DIV is leaps and bounds better than the AF on the 6D, in my opinion. I've used both fairly extensively, and after using the IV, I'd never want to go back to the 6D.

# ? Dec 13, 2019 19:36

dakana: Aug 28, 2006; So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

BetterLekNextTime posted:

Thanks for the opinion. I don�t think the size would put me off. I used to use battery grips with my Canon bodies.

I just need to decide whether I can afford to do this or not. I�ve already got a 7d2 for wildlife (mostly what I shoot), so this would be mainly landscape, macro, and occasional portrait-type stuff. The extra resolution would be the biggest selling point, or at least that�s probably the one thing that would allow me to get prints that i couldn�t get with the 6d. I�m assuming there�s not that big of a jump in dynamic range but I suppose I should look at that too. The AF and ergo would be nice but not worth the money in itself.

If you're mostly shooting stuff that can be well-controlled � landscapes, macro, portraits � where you can get the settings right and minimize high ISO, motion blur, etc, then I don't think you'll find the 5DIV's resolution will result in perceptibly better prints than the 6D's unless you're planning on cropping a lot.

The larger you print, the lower the PPI needs to be because you view larger prints from farther away. I've made 24"x36" prints from my Digital Rebel XT (8MP) and they look great.

I used to own a 6D and 5DIII, and rented a 5DIV for a wedding. The real upgrade of the 5DIV from the 6D is the AF � including great DPAF (live view AF) � and ergonomics.

# ? Dec 16, 2019 16:12

Pablo Bluth: Sep 7, 2007; I've made a huge mistake.

Happy 1DX III Day Everybody!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNXPMoN7iOM

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

InternetJunky: May 25, 2002

Pablo Bluth posted:

Happy 1DX III Day Everybody!

I feel like I must be missing the good parts they are putting in because right now I'm kind of underwhelmed. Still rocking my 1DX v1 and see no reason to upgrade.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 23:47

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

It's nuts how fast my YouTube recommendations filled up with that camera. It's like they sent out a free loaner to anyone that ever did a gear review.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 05:28

Encrypted: Feb 25, 2016

InternetJunky posted:

I feel like I must be missing the good parts they are putting in because right now I'm kind of underwhelmed. Still rocking my 1DX v1 and see no reason to upgrade.

No kidding.

From their white paper

quote:

4.7.2 Why 20 Million Pixels?
A legitimate question, in an era of digital SLRs and mirrorless cameras boasting 50 million
pixels and above. High pixel resolution brings obvious benefits to many landscape and studio
photographers, particularly when large printed output is a primary deliverable.
However, a relatively modest pixel count of 20.1 million effective pixels brings its own
benefits. Consider the following points:

The overwhelming design goal of the EOS-1D series is performance

This camera was designed first and foremost for sports, wildlife and action photographers.
Working press shooters, especially those at major agencies, prioritize speed for both
shooting and transferring images � and as anyone who�s downloaded an e-mail attachment
knows, large files slow down movements of images. Canon consulted heavily with major
press and photo agencies in the development of the EOS-1D X Mark III, and the strong
consensus was that 20 million pixels was more than sufficient for their needs, including
double-page spreads in magazines.

Besides the 'lower noise' and 'faster af' claim, they are also touting the very high speed storage that can do 4k 60p videos.

But oh great now you have to buy a brand new bunch of memory cards to use along side with the occasional CF/CFast/SD card in the existing 5D4/1DX2 users. Sure the 1DX2 had CFast slot but I wonder how many people actually used it when real time-constrained pros just shoot jpg anyway.

fake edit: lol :rip:

the CFast cards from 1DX2 as the 1DX3 actually uses CFexpress and are incompatible to CFast. What a dumpster fire of standards.

Also the price on the CFexpress are *checks notes* a real bargain at 400 bucks for 256GB and 600 for 512GB, since anything smaller would be completely useless with such a fast read/write speed.
Surly this will be a great buy before they ditch the standard again in their next gen camera.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 06:44

Pablo Bluth: Sep 7, 2007; I've made a huge mistake.

It's a good thing. Switching cards is always a pain but in the long run it was better when the SD and CF duo won out, and it'll be better now everyone is settling on SD and CFE. These two standards should now be good for a decent amount oftime. Nikon using XQD and Canon opting forCFast did no one any favours.

Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jan 8, 2020

# ? Jan 8, 2020 08:58

rolleyes: Nov 16, 2006; Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

"...and as anyone who’s downloaded an e-mail attachment knows..."

Canon neatly proving that their marketing team are still stuck in the 90s... just like their sensor tech, amirite?! :v:

Seriously though, that's one of the most ludicrous justifications I've ever seen. I mean:

Who sends files by email?
Who thinks a 20mp raw image is small enough not to be rejected by most email services?
Who doesn't shoot dual raw+jpg if speed of submission is important?
Even if you don't, who can't convert a raw to a jpg in a few seconds?

It's just

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Jan 8, 2020

# ? Jan 8, 2020 09:43

evil_bunnY: Apr 2, 2003

rolleyes posted:

Canon neatly proving that their marketing team are still stuck in the 90s... just like their sensor tech, amirite?!

It's not their marketing team, it's the people buying the cameras. Which can be a problem if you're trying to grow your customer base. TBH i have a 35MP camera and most of the time I wish it were 20.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 09:50

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

Everything new screams �for sports photographers who are uploading straight out of camera to FTP servers.� The DPReview overview spotlights that you can have one WiFi signal for shooting controls and another one for sending the files to upload at the same time :psyduck:

# ? Jan 8, 2020 09:51

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

Well yeah this thing is targeted directly at shooting the Olympics.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 12:25

evil_bunnY: Apr 2, 2003

Also that new AF controller sounds real sweet because moving AF points with a wheel/dpad is loving annoying.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 12:58

Pablo Bluth: Sep 7, 2007; I've made a huge mistake.

I once spoke to a Canon rep about the inbuilt 1.4x in the 200-400 and if we could see it in the other big whites. The response was basically 'The sports photographers don't like it as they think it makes the max aperture too slow and it's the sports guy who decide the market. So no.' Canon will have had massive amounts of discussions with that market and danced to their tune. If they wanted 30+ MPs then that's what Canon would have done instead.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 16:48

Helen Highwater: Feb 19, 2014; And furthermore; Grimey Drawer

I like that the end of the article about the surfer photog includes a 'what's in his bag' section, where there are three lenses in the image and three lenses in the description, and only one of them matches.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 18:51

Clayton Bigsby: Apr 17, 2005

Pablo Bluth posted:

I once spoke to a Canon rep about the inbuilt 1.4x in the 200-400 and if we could see it in the other big whites. The response was basically 'The sports photographers don't like it as they think it makes the max aperture too slow and it's the sports guy who decide the market. So no.' Canon will have had massive amounts of discussions with that market and danced to their tune. If they wanted 30+ MPs then that's what Canon would have done instead.

It would be nice to have a switchable standalone TC but it would require adding optics in the non-extender mode so would likely be a failure.

# ? Jan 8, 2020 19:03

Helen Highwater: Feb 19, 2014; And furthermore; Grimey Drawer

Also the wi-fi adapter for that thing is a $650 optional accessory.

# ? Jan 9, 2020 02:53

GunForumMeme: Apr 22, 2010

Any big difference between a Tamron (non VC) 17-50 2.8 and the sigma equivalent?

Looking to snag a walk-around for my 7d and unsure of which option to go with.

# ? Jan 15, 2020 05:22

Helen Highwater: Feb 19, 2014; And furthermore; Grimey Drawer

GunForumMeme posted:

Any big difference between a Tamron (non VC) 17-50 2.8 and the sigma equivalent?

Looking to snag a walk-around for my 7d and unsure of which option to go with.

IIRC, the Tamron is cheaper but the Sigma has IS. I used to own the Sigma variant and it was an amazing lens, practically permanently welded to my 70D.

# ? Jan 15, 2020 05:39

Constellation I: Apr 3, 2005; I'm a sucker, a little fucker.

GunForumMeme posted:

Any big difference between a Tamron (non VC) 17-50 2.8 and the sigma equivalent?

Looking to snag a walk-around for my 7d and unsure of which option to go with.

The Sigma equivalent doesn't sound like a swarm of angry bees. I loved that lens though.

# ? Jan 16, 2020 00:09

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Wonder if either manufacturer will ever do EF-M versions.

# ? Jan 16, 2020 00:59

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

President Beep posted:

Wonder if either manufacturer will ever do EF-M versions.

Lol

That said if you�re not worried about the size, the EF-M adapter works really well. I got some very good shots with the Tamron 17-50 non-IS on the M3.

# ? Jan 16, 2020 10:05

melon cat: Jan 21, 2010; Nap Ghost

Interesting to hear this chatter about Tamron. More and more of my friends who do studio work are finally giving Tamron a go. Tamron's been marketing hard, and to their credit they seem like they've found a comfy spot between Canon EF and Sigma.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jan 11, 2024

# ? Jan 24, 2020 23:44

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

I positively adore my Tamron 70-200. Only complaint is weight, but that's problem with every f2.8 70-200.

Indistinguishable from the Canon version to my eye.

# ? Jan 25, 2020 00:54

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

I am intrigued:

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-specifications/

quote:

Canon EOS R5
45mp full-frame CMOS sensor
IBIS
5 stops with IBIS alone
7-8 stops of correction when used with in-lens stabilization
12fps mechanical, 20fps electronic
Scroll wheel added to the back
No touch bar
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous EOS DSLRs
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6
8K @ 30fps RAW
4K @ 120fps
4K @ 60fps
Built-in 5GHz WiFi
New battery, but the same shape and compatibility as the EOS 5D Mark IV

The lack of touch bar alone is a major win.

# ? Jan 28, 2020 21:31

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

IBIS!!!!!

# ? Jan 28, 2020 21:35

Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

# ? Jan 28, 2020 21:50

rolleyes: Nov 16, 2006; Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

President Beep posted:

IBIS!!!!!

Finally! It'll be interesting to see how the sensor stacks up against Sony/Nikon.

# ? Jan 28, 2020 22:16

charliebravo77: Jun 11, 2003

Guess I'm not upgrading my 80d until this is confirmed and pricing is out.

# ? Jan 29, 2020 00:01

jarlywarly: Aug 31, 2018

Man this might be my new body... I'm scared for the pricing now. I wonder what this does for the market in used canon glass if now there's ibis.

# ? Jan 29, 2020 00:46

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

jarlywarly posted:

Man this might be my new body... I'm scared for the pricing now. I wonder what this does for the market in used canon glass if now there's ibis.

Probably not much, because of the adapters that are available.

[Edit] also depends on how the IBIS is designed to work in concert with Canon�s IS on lenses. But that�ll only be known once those things are truly out and in the wild.

# ? Jan 29, 2020 01:52

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# ? May 17, 2024 09:58

CAT INTERCEPTOR: Nov 9, 2004; Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Canon have said any future IBIS will work hand in hand with existing IS. Present EF lenses work flawlessly with the adapter so EF glass aint dropping price.

Second hand DSLRs on the other hand......

# ? Jan 29, 2020 05:17

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