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Sedisp posted:You two have far FAR more faith in liberals than I think you should. i have no faith in liberals, but I do have faith that america loving hates mike bloomberg
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Sedisp posted:I mean. Yes this is true. But the Democrats response to that has been to shout about going to far left as a more progressive wing of the party tries to take the reigns. If Bernie gets the shot and then Bloomberg goes third party it's going to look exactly like this election afterwards. everyone hates bloomberg man
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Gay Nazis aren't that weird, really. Fascism lends itself naturally to homoeroticism through the elevation of machismo. Be gay and do war crimes they said
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Vermain posted:iirc, pre-election polls like a month or two ago put leave as still having a slim majority (like 51-49 or something) Referendum seekers also don't consider that there's way more enthusiasm for Leave while Remain would probably have depressed turnout yet again.
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Dec 13, 2019 18:41
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Venom Snake posted:i have no faith in liberals, but I do have faith that america loving hates mike bloomberg Yinlock posted:everyone hates bloomberg man And? Liberals will vote for goddamned Boris Johnson to prevent a leftist from getting into power. Everyone hates Hilary and they tried to turn her into Yass Khalleesi. Yes Bloomberg is utterly unpalatable NOW but after bernie crushes Biden liberal wish fulfillment will immediately latch onto ANYTHING not calling for sweeping changes to the country and willing to shake hands with a gay person.
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bag em and tag em posted:it's pretty crazy to have watched Bojo do the "kevin spills his chilli and falls in it repeatedly" scene over and over, watch people screaming at him to his face that he's a liar and a fool, and then know that actually people were totally down with him the whole time and love Bojo and actively choose him to be their champion. https://twitter.com/GaryGibbonBlog/status/1201616036409180160 Everyone here is a (self-claimed) Labour voter in 2017. 'When you go back to the Tony Blair days, you know, you had a great leader and you knew what he stood for - rightly or wrongly - and you trusted him, to a certain extent. Whereas with Corbyn, nobody knows!' 'For the people that run this country, they're extemely wealthy, they're billionaires. And for Brexit to happen, it'll be a disaster for the very, very wealthy people. Not for the likes of us. So I think that's why it's taken three years and we're no nearer.' 'Boris Johnson is such a character. He's a buffoon to some extent, but he's a lovable buffoon. And straight-talking! You'll get an honest answer out of him - it might not be what you like, but he'll answer it. And everything he's saying, he has a rapport with me.'
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Sedisp posted:And? Liberals will vote for goddamned Boris Johnson to prevent a leftist from getting into power. Everyone hates Hilary and they tried to turn her into Yass Khalleesi. I don't think so, bud.
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Apraxin posted:'For the people that run this country, they're extemely wealthy, they're billionaires. And for Brexit to happen, it'll be a disaster for the very, very wealthy people. Not for the likes of us. So I think that's why it's taken three years and we're no nearer.' hahaha what focus groups are just the dumbest
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Sedisp posted:And? Liberals will vote for goddamned Boris Johnson to prevent a leftist from getting into power. Everyone hates Hilary and they tried to turn her into Yass Khalleesi. liberals voted lib-dem and lib-dems got utterly hosed because there's actually not that many of them sure they'll probably vote for harris or warren or whatever but it's not going to be loving bloomberg lol
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Apraxin posted:Tory focus group and all, but watch this and loving weep: lmao in 2019 literally saying "we could spend more on the NHS with all that EU money"
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Apraxin posted:'For the people that run this country, they're extemely wealthy, they're billionaires. And for Brexit to happen, it'll be a disaster for the very, very wealthy people. Not for the likes of us. So I think that's why it's taken three years and we're no nearer.' Dying in the food riots to own the Billionaires.
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Sedisp posted:And? Liberals will vote for goddamned Boris Johnson to prevent a leftist from getting into power. That is not even close to describing what happened
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Venom Snake posted:i have no faith in liberals, but I do have faith that america loving hates mike bloomberg absolutely everyone hates liberals, it's literally the single defining quality of the ideology.
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Dec 13, 2019 18:49
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Sedisp posted:You two have far FAR more faith in liberals than I think you should. It's not liberals who will vote for him lmao
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Yinlock posted:liberals voted lib-dem and lib-dems got utterly hosed because there's actually not that many of them Friend. You need to be friends with more liberals. Or don't they kind of suck but the Kamala cultists are already migrating to Pete, a literal Republican. Soon only Biden will be left to attach their sweet dreams of status quo too and that's an easy Bernie win. Put a few billion into being the kinder candidate the glorious return to the Third Way and they'll dance.
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Can we please just sequester the liberals to their own country that they can run into the ground
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Sedisp posted:But the Democrats response to that has been to shout about going to far left as a more progressive wing of the party tries to take the reigns. My dude, they scream about going too far left every day. Worrying about and engaging with their lovely response is about the least productive use of your energy.
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i think the initial reaction (“this is brexit’s fault!”) is in fact largely correct, despite seeing a lot of “its not that simple!” pushback. there are plenty of alternative explanations that don’t stand up to scrutiny. if it was anti-semitism, why did labour win in and around London among better-educated liberal types? is the argument that sophisticated city people don’t care about anti Semitism, but blue-collar Midlands folk do? if it was insufficient dedication to remain, why did labour lose all the leave constituencies? if the platform was too radical, why wasn’t it two years ago? if people just hate Corbyn, why didn’t they two years ago? I think there was an element of that, since he’s faced constant demonization in the press for two years, and certainly Theresa May lacked appeal to anyone. I think there’s basically two things going on here. one is that bojo has a kind of clownish lad’s charisma, and all of his scandals (hiding in fridges) horrify politically engaged insider types but don’t matter much to people who aren’t glued to Twitter. second, and much more significant, is that two years ago the choice was basically between Tory Brexit and Labour Brexit, and labour voters who wanted the latter rallied around their party. this election the distinction collapsed down to Get Brexit Done vs. Some Other Stuff, and people are viscerally pissed off that the Will of The People from 3.5 years ago still hasn’t been respected!!! that’s how they see it- not the ongoing negotiations, not the struggle to prevent catastrophe, but foot-dragging by a class of petulant elites who think they know better than the peasants. they’re not entirely wrong either! the fact is that while Brexit is going to demolish your collective rear end in a top hat, all the coverage of how awful it’s gonna be has probably had a backwards effect. first it’s immunized people from fear because “it’s just scare mongering innit, no way THAT could happen.” second because it’s got people worked up into a lather of fear and frenzy and that can only go on for so long. after a while the anticipation becomes worse than the pain and people just want the blade to drop already so it can be over with. whatever you think of labour’s platform, a labour election certainly meant no Brexit until late 2020 at the earliest and that was something a lot of people just could not tolerate.
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Do not listen to a single loving thing the libs say and remind everyone that they have no principles will say literally anything if they think it will get them big money donors
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:i think the initial reaction (“this is brexit’s fault!”) is in fact largely correct, despite seeing a lot of “its not that simple!” pushback. Good post bud
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Pomp posted:Can we please just sequester the liberals to their own country that they can run into the ground I know of such a place. It's England.
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Randler posted:I know of such a place. Can we get the disabled, poor, queer and poc out of there first
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:i think the initial reaction (“this is brexit’s fault!”) is in fact largely correct, despite seeing a lot of “its not that simple!” pushback.
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Marx Headroom posted:My dude, they scream about going too far left every day. Worrying about and engaging with their lovely response is about the least productive use of your energy. My point is do not count on liberals to tow the line and vote for President Bernie. Ensuring that the working class comes out in droves is literally the only thing that prevents Bloomberg third party dumbshittery.
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It looks like we are having a 'wildcat' referendum next year, date is TBD next week. SNP is obviously determined they won't be upstaged by a ballot in Northern Ireland. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50779724 Everyone please come to Scotland and support it, last time voting conditions were being 16 and having twelve weeks' residence at a Scottish address. Meanwhile you can enjoy an actual normal NHS that is free for everything and possibly free tuition on a residency requirement. We're a big empty country that depopulates without immigration, ours is maybe the only nationalist government in Europe that champions immigrants. Looks like we'll be holding the referendum before COP26 takes place in Glasgow next year; 2020 is exciting for Scotland! Honestly the worst thing about here is the culture of Calvinistic fatalism, but the nationalist upsurge is possibly a sign that that's finally coming to an end. The same problems exist as everywhere else but at least the government is reliably vague social democrats / socialists who keep stealing policies from their Green coalition partners. Obviously nationalism outside of colonies is fucken brain cancer as per England.
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Pomp posted:Can we please just sequester the liberals to their own country that they can run into the ground Can they be convinced that the Kuiper belt is socially liberal and fiscally conservative?
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Pomp posted:Can we get the disabled, poor, queer and poc out of there first Give it 5 years lol
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Pomp posted:Can we please just sequester the liberals to their own country that they can run into the ground What do you think the brits voted to leave?
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Pomp posted:Can we get the disabled, poor, queer and poc out of there first please do not tell a conservative German that you need these people removed it goes poorly
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Pomp posted:Can we get the disabled, poor, queer and poc out of there first Nigel, how did the election go for you?
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Pomp posted:Can we get the disabled, poor, queer and poc out of there first but then who will the liberals pretend to tolerate
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Yinlock posted:but then who will the liberals pretend to tolerate Themselves
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Sedisp posted:Themselves No one could pull that off
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Sedisp posted:Themselves No. Like everyone else, liberals hate liberals
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Apraxin posted:Tory focus group and all, but watch this and loving weep: I demand you all relinquish your accents immediately and talk like us Americans so there's no ambiguity about how dumb we all are
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Sedisp posted:My point is do not count on liberals to tow the line and vote for President Bernie. Ensuring that the working class comes out in droves is literally the only thing that prevents Bloomberg third party dumbshittery. This is the lesson I'm taking away from all this "Many liberals would rather have conservatives than leftists" you hear this all the time but rarely does it happen in real life with such clarity
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