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Yinlock posted:but then who will the liberals pretend to tolerate they have never, ever pretended to tolerate the poor, and that kind of informs why they do with the rest.
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Marx Headroom posted:This is the lesson I'm taking away from all this it tends to happen in real life quite a lot, which is where the saying comes from Sedisp posted:My point is do not count on liberals to tow the line and vote for President Bernie. Ensuring that the working class comes out in droves is literally the only thing that prevents Bloomberg third party dumbshittery. i agree with this i think this election is mostly a freak occurance due to brexit fuckery, but that doesn't mean it should just be dismissed. organize.
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Stoatbringer posted:Do we know what Brexit actually is yet? Brexit means Brexit
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An insane mind posted:Hey, this too will end. We're, hopefully, at the bottom of the bell curve now and like...with Brazil, China, Poland, the U.S., U.K. my own little poo poo country all dangling at the absolute bottom of the barrel we have no lower to go. Hahahaha we have such sights to show you
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CoolCab posted:they have never, ever pretended to tolerate the poor, and that kind of informs why they do with the rest. eh they pretend to tolerate the others, they mostly pretend the poor don't exist if you want to see a liberal lose their poo poo watch whenever one of the unwashed masses asks them a question nothing gets the rich steamin mad quite like being talked to as an equal by someone they consider below them
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V. Illych L. posted:the liberal wing of the labour party stayed on, though. the big problem of the left these days is that nobody speaks our language anymore - even old labourites don't believe that government can be used for the better, not really that typically leads to Plan B: Riot
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Yinlock posted:
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Heath posted:I demand you all relinquish your accents immediately and talk like us Americans so there's no ambiguity about how dumb we all are I watched this first time around and was very much all about 'this is Theresa May's chosen PR company, obviously they are doing their thing' but it turned out that it was pretty representative. Nicola Sturgeon is a good nerdy conviction politician like Jeremy Corbyn but she was wrecked in Question Time in England at the last election, visibly upset by hopeless people trotting out excuses for ambition. The ruling ideas in every epoch, and all that.
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Corbyn probably had a decent shot if Brexit has already been done
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Nothus posted:Brittsyltucky Bridaho
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50781738 "I don't want to leave the EU because my lorry drivers will be in queues and much of my produce is from Spain and France, but I still voted Conservative because of everything else. "My decision was based on local issues." Only 16-17 year-olds should have the vote what the gently caress is this.
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Seeing people argue against a second indyref for Scotland because "the majority of people voted for unionist parties" which doesn't take into account that the largest of those unionist parties in Scotland is Labour. And I'm just gonna say that if I were a Scottish Labour voter right now I'd be going full William Wallace.
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quote:Fifty-five-year-old Julie Riding, who runs a gift card stall in the town's market, was on the fence as she approached the polling station and ended up spoiling her ballot paper. lmao
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I'm American. It's my understanding that the "Tories" are blatantly a very old school "the Lords and Dukes and Nobility should still rule everything but we'll have elections just so the peasants can feel like they're involved" party. Why would anyone vote for them? I have a hard time believing Europeans actually give a poo poo about antisemitism.
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Juliet Whisky posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50781738 "Kalecki 1943" posted:But 'discipline in the factories' and 'political stability' are more appreciated than profits by business leaders. Their class instinct tellsthem that lasting full employment is unsound from their point of view, and that unemployment is an integral part of the 'normal' capitalist system.
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IWW Online Branch posted:Seeing people argue against a second indyref for Scotland because "the majority of people voted for unionist parties" which doesn't take into account that the largest of those unionist parties in Scotland is Labour. And I'm just gonna say that if I were a Scottish Labour voter right now I'd be going full William Wallace. Labour for Independence is a thing https://www.facebook.com/labourforindependence/ So is William Wallace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6aGPzIjnxA
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democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard. it's important to note that, while the biggest tory backers will not suffer much from brexit, the biggest labour->tory or bxp swing voters will suffer the most. that is, the poor of the post-industrial north and midlands. labour's 2024 campaign can and should run on the platform of "are you better off now than you were five years ago" because the answer for a resounding majority of people will be NO.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Corbyn was too beautiful for a land as foul as the UK.  This post from 2017 is haunting the gently caress out of me
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard.
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USA says hold my beer as we go into an election year.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard. it all hinges on who gets the leader seat next thankfully the shitlibs have mostly burned their bridges on that front
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Animal-Mother posted:I'm American. It's my understanding that the "Tories" are blatantly a very old school "the Lords and Dukes and Nobility should still rule everything but we'll have elections just so the peasants can feel like they're involved" party. The Tories in England long imagined that they were enthusiastic about monarchy, the church, and the beauties of the old English Constitution, until the day of danger wrung from them the confession that they are enthusiastic only about ground rent.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:
Labour don't win elections in the UK, the Tories lose them. This time they had nationalism on their side, along with a couple of generations for whom Thatcherism was the status quo. Don't feel bad, keep working against the Government.
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Animal-Mother posted:I'm American. It's my understanding that the "Tories" are blatantly a very old school "the Lords and Dukes and Nobility should still rule everything but we'll have elections just so the peasants can feel like they're involved" party. tory voters want a nobility who can tell them the brown people are bad (except for your brown friend who is ok  )
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Juliet Whisky posted:Labour don't win elections in the UK, the Tories lose them. This time they had nationalism on their side, along with a couple of generations for whom Thatcherism was the status quo. Don't feel bad, keep working against the Government. good motto is don't feel bad, feel mad instead
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the number one mistake socialists can make is assuming that, because their policies are better for the working class, the working class will support them. that requires class consciousness, that is, the understanding on the part of the working class that they are a distinct class with distinct interests. this consciousness has been deliberately hammered out of the working class internationally for decades, with the results that we see now. billionaires have class consciousness and vote in support of their material interests. the precariat have class consciousness and vote in support of their material interests (which now includes engineers, lawyers, doctors, and academics, because of how dire things have gotten). the working class do not, and the organs that usually spread class consciousness-- unions, socialist newspapers, and so on-- have been hollowed out. social media has encouraged atomization and individualism, but this has been going on for decades, and really there's no shortcut to O R G A N I Z I N G. organizing doesn't just mean door-knocking, it means building class consciousness and solidarity, and that means building unions. there's no way around it. you can't just have a better platform and win that way. that's one required input, but you also need a class that's looking for a platform that benefits it, and without that a good platform is just screaming into the void.
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Fun fact: Scotland lost it's independence because they hosed up at colonialism so bad and all their colonists died of malaria. The rich then basically sold the country back to the English in exchange for a bailout of debts rather than face consequences for being lovely at business and brutal resource extraction.
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Yinlock posted:good motto is don't feel bad, feel mad instead Phone in sick of it all.
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mrmcd posted:Fun fact: Scotland lost it's independence because they hosed up at colonialism so bad and all their colonists died of malaria. The rich then basically sold the country back to the English in exchange for a bailout of debts rather than face consequences for being lovely at business and brutal resource extraction. probably one of the nicer colony backstories
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Someone in another thread called this the idiot election on chud island and I think that ought to be the new thread title.
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Sedisp posted:lmao TV news utterly melted the brains of everyone aged ~45 and older.
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IWW Online Branch posted:Someone in another thread called this the idiot election on chud island and I think that ought to be the new thread title. Election??? Sorry, this is the Brexit thread. You may be lost
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