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Tarnop posted:George Monbiot can go gently caress himself. He was entirely complicit in the Guardian's relentless anti-Corbyn narrative, and is a reason we're in this poo poo. No lib would write a thread that puts out actions like hes putting forward. I mean he doesn't even use the phrase "means testing", which is always a dead giveaway.
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Tarnop posted:George Monbiot can go gently caress himself. He was entirely complicit in the Guardian's relentless anti-Corbyn narrative, and is a reason we're in this poo poo. Nah I'm pretty sure Monbiot has been pretty solid on a lot of stuff in the last few years including Corbyn, and anticapitalism. Tarnop posted:So he didn't call the left of the Labour party ‘a malign intellectual subculture’ of ‘apologists and genocide deniers’ ? I think maybe he did in 2011 if that's what you're referring to. Would he have been wrong with Labour as it was then? WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Dec 14, 2019 |
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Apraxin posted:To bring this full-circle:
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Tarnop posted:So he didn't call the left of the Labour party ‘a malign intellectual subculture’ of ‘apologists and genocide deniers’ ? he's also a huge fan of massive pro war cunts like katerji
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gh0stpinballa posted:he's also a huge fan of massive pro war cunts like katerji
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WhatEvil posted:Nah I'm pretty sure Monbiot has been pretty solid on a lot of stuff in the last few years including Corbyn, and anticapitalism. Only as wrong as calling the party anti-Semitic because there's some anti-Semites among the 500k current members. I might just be in an overly cynical and angry mood at the moment, but it feels like this article is just his attempt to launder the Guardian so they can be the voice of reconciliation in the Labour party. Which keeps him his seat on the gravy train while amplifying the voice of sensible centrists.
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minema posted:The independent candidate in Rutland that died after the ballots had been printed still got over 400 votes. Not wishing to appear insensitive to a family's loss or anything... But I mean, I could see a corpse edging in popularity over Boris. Corpse even has a genuine reason to be in the fridge.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcelection/status/1205324369930674177 Depressing result aside, I’m having real trouble getting over ‘Glenville Gogerly, Libertarian’.
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Apraxin posted:I’m having real trouble getting over ‘Glenville Gogerly, Libertarian’.
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Apraxin posted:Depressing result aside, I’m having real trouble getting over ‘Glenville Gogerly, Libertarian’. At least it's amusing seeing someone place lower than the Brexit Party?
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Tarnop posted:I might just be in an overly cynical and angry mood at the moment, but it feels like this article is just his attempt to launder the Guardian so they can be the voice of reconciliation in the Labour party. Which keeps him his seat on the gravy train while amplifying the voice of sensible centrists. Eh it probably isn't malicious planning, Monbiot is legitimately quite stupid. There's nothing super wrong with that and he seems to have a good heart but his whole career has been over-reacting to stuff.
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Zakutambah posted:Is there really that much difference in the quality of The Guardian UK and The Guardian AU? https://theguardian.fivefilters.org/antisemitism/
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At least Jeremy Corbyn won't have to talk to Donald Trump, I thought to myself suddenly.
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Chuka Umana posted:The second referendum poo poo was dumb as hell and I'm not just saying in hindsight either. What would be different about a second go? It was plainly antidemocratic. I mean, referendums seem easily manipulated to get the results the government want.
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Hamelekim posted:I mean, referendums seem easily manipulated to get the results the government want. Well considering the EU referendum had wide cross-party support it's a little condescending to put it to the people and then take it back when they don't get the result they like. It's the same anti-democratic arrogance the EU has been responsible for in Greece and Spain and Ireland. Neolibs love democracy until it effects their profits.
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Urgh... lovely. They were all on boarding banging that drum. Looks like I've got my evening reading then! Was there ever any speculation on what the point of this editorial hardon for the angle was? JC pissed them off somehow? Or someone that backed them? I admit, I only really know of The Guardian since they started reporting in Australia; I only know a little of their history of being a print newspaper in the UK a good while before that. Zakutambah fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Dec 14, 2019 |
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That's looks like less than 200 people. throwback to when protests had mass public and worker support
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So much for the tolerant left! *farts*
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I expect a lot of people might be too tired and unhappy right now to get out of their chairs for a spontaneous protest. We can't all be dynamic, but that doesn't mean we're not supporters.
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Jollity Farm posted:I expect a lot of people might be too tired and unhappy right now to get out of their chairs for a spontaneous protest. We can't all be dynamic, but that doesn't mean we're not supporters. The government could be over tomorrow if you wanted it to be. Maybe if Labour weren't such cowards about extra parliamentary action and organized the working class outside of the scope of electoralism we could have a decent protest movement in Britain.
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This is cool. https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1205636637482459137?s=20
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I like “make them share” as a slogan. Possibly “make them pay”. Channels strong anger and hatred.
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Celexi posted:thanks for the Washington examiner link In case you didn't realise, that may not have been a fully enthusiastic endorsement.
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Apraxin posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcelection/status/1205324369930674177 I imagine that's the only time you'll ever see a Desi in the Brexit Party.
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It’s a shame that the Liberal Democrats are such spiteful, short-sighted bastards. If they had refused to split the Remain vote, Labour could have won considerably more seats and could have increased the possibility of a soft Brexit or second referendum. And what did the Lib Dems even get with their 11% of the vote? Not even 2% of the seats. What a loving waste.
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Chuka Umana posted:The government could be over tomorrow if you wanted it to be. Berating people for not being good enough at protesting is the exact opposite of helpful. People are allowed to be tired and to need time to plan things. If you're just here to make people feel worse for your own amusement, you can gently caress off. Nobody needs your help to feel bad.
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Put this up in the Idiots on Social Media thread: Absurd Alhazred posted:One particular promoter of the "Sanders is an antisemite" argument, is, well:
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I am pulling an expression of incredible shock at this turn of events. Surprised they didn't put scare quotes around "Jewish" tbh.
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thespaceinvader posted:This is literally a contradiction in terms. Good people don't become billionaires, because it's impossible to become a billionaire without exploiting people on a scale no good person would ever consider. Hey guys have you seen the new Netflix Michael Bay vehicle 6underground? It has a billionaire who faked his own death so he could create his own hitsquad to go after a dictator in 'Turgmenistan' who gassed his own people. Hilarious how they spent the first 30 minutes of the movie driving around Italy killing innocent people and I thought it was supposed to be a copycat of Team America: World Police and then I realised dear god they were serious and there were fighter jets delivering freedom via bombs and then I cried a little and binge watched attack on titan. Anyway, Face to Neoliberalism.
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"im not owned! im not owned!" i continue to insist, as I slowly shrink and transform into yorkshire pudding
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If possible can anyone either record or find clips from your local news about people being interviewed about why they voted tory in the labour strongholds that flipped? Theres been a run of 'the high street has been really run down for the last few years so I thought I'd give the tories a try' etc. Really local level issues under labour councils or MPs where they think its labour that has been causing these problems. I'm making a project highlighting this but a lot of this stuff is on local news and radio and never makes it online. Thanks
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Just been feeling kinda numb all day. Playing boardgames with some friends tonight was definitely a good thing though.
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serious gaylord posted:If possible can anyone either record or find clips from your local news about people being interviewed about why they voted tory in the labour strongholds that flipped? https://twitter.com/GaryGibbonBlog/status/1201616036409180160
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thespaceinvader posted:No, it was specific deal and remain only. Which is the only Labour brexit policy that could ever have realistically got into any Labour manifesto, people are loving dreaming if they think a policy of left-brexit would have got through Conference, let alone that any putative Corbyn government could have got said deal through Parliament. Yes I remember it happening, as everyone turned on Corbyns stance, Owen Jones, McDonnel, Abbot came out in public to support remaim, then the membership vote forced him into this position and everyone back then where convinced that remain was so obviously going to win and Jeremys brexit position could only but lose.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Yes I remember it happening, as everyone turned on Corbyns stance, Owen Jones, McDonnel, Abbot came out in public to support remaim, then the membership vote forced him into this position and everyone back then where convinced that remain was so obviously going to win and Jeremys brexit position could only but lose. At this point I don’t think either position could have one because of the increasing cultural divide between city and former heartland.
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Celexi posted:well in the US "insurance" means you get ripped off whenever you need healthcare, the insurance is that you will keep giving the insurer money.
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