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Sekenr posted:Look if the procedure did not produce Jeremy Corbyn as a prime minister, so what? Wasn't there some other procedure that produced say Lenin as a leader of another failed empire? Look at your own thing throughout the 20 century, unions get their thing not by conforming to tradition or whatnot but by pushing their thing. gently caress it, you are 500000 people, you are not obliged to fold your arms and die if you don't want to.
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Grape posted:The north half is very white, the south half (where people actually live) is more basic America demographics. But yeah that north half is insanely freakily white. Vermont is cool
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:2035: the Socialist Scottish Republic has once again blocked the English application to join the EU over concerns of corruption and lacking levels of democracy in London as well as fears over allowing low-wage English workers north to work in the Scottish oil fields. 2079: Neo-Turkey, desperate for low wage workers to take the jobs their wealthy population doesn't want to do, turns to an often forgotten Ex-UK nation for migrant wage earners. The reddish stout men of "Anghland" are superstitious, serf like, and generally unpleasant to look at. But they thirst for good work and will put up drywall for plates of old fish.
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This is where British trades unionism is at https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-labour-election-defeat-len-mccluskey_uk_5df3b918e4b0ca713e5ee0fa?x6l On the other hand there is the IWW, wherever you are.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Idiot Election on Chud Island Lol
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So are we finally going to get a brexit or what? I just want it to be over so that everyone can move on.
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TowerofOil posted:Scotland will be victorious at the next Bannockburn same as the last but this time they'll lop off the queens head. I dunno, I'd be weary about underestimating the tactical genius of William of the House of Windsor, Hammer of the Thots. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 09:34 on Dec 14, 2019 |
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Hamelekim posted:So are we finally going to get a brexit or what? I just want it to be over so that everyone can move on. no, because tories have found that they can get whatever they want if they just yell about brexit enough
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Sekenr posted:Look if the procedure did not produce Jeremy Corbyn as a prime minister, so what? Wasn't there some other procedure that produced say Lenin as a leader of another failed empire? Look at your own thing throughout the 20 century, unions get their thing not by conforming to tradition or whatnot but by pushing their thing. gently caress it, you are 500000 people, you are not obliged to fold your arms and die if you don't want to.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Everybody knows Prince Andrew raped teenagers as a pastime and yet Jeremy Corbyn is the most hated man in England. well yeah, envy and hate are different emotions
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It's cool in that it directly contradicts all the shameless wanks dusting off the takes they couldn't use in 2017 about how this is a definitive repudiation of leftism
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Love these idiots saying Labour has lost its touch with the working class while championing Blair.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"Getting in touch with the working class" in the context of this last election means getting more racist to draw the Labour gammons back in. or the ousted and now unemployed blairites knocking on labour's door like "please give us our jobs back"
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"Getting in touch with the working class" in the context of this last election means getting more racist to draw the Labour gammons back in. that democrats tweet, but for Labour
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MikeCrotch posted:Man I am really not ready to accept that Dominic Cummings might actually be a political mastermind Nah this is a combination of Corbyn having 4 years in the media being monstered and caving for a second referendum instead of a soft brexit. The labour civil war didn't help with either of those There also appears to have been a huge amount of this poo poo going on where extremely low information voters have seen just how poo poo austerity has made things and labour are getting the blame because the MP/council was labour https://twitter.com/joe_oliver/status/1205637078438043649
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Jose posted:Nah this is a combination of Corbyn having 4 years in the media being monstered and caving for a second referendum instead of a soft brexit. The labour civil war didn't help with either of those while I would like to think this would “clear out the dead wood”, in reality when people find nothing else changes they will either disengage or latch onto the next nationalist talking point (e.g cod wars 2.0?) capitalism has melted the social bonds which a socialist left relies on
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Jel Shaker posted:while I would like to think this would “clear out the dead wood”, in reality when people find nothing else changes they will either disengage or latch onto the next nationalist talking point (e.g cod wars 2.0?) It's going to be Scotland trying to leave.
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Yeah it's not really a referendum on policy at all; the election loss was entirely because Corbyn couldn't get the party together and labour bring so split on brexit. Iirc his last policy paper thing was extremely popular with the party, he just doesn't have the skill to bring the party together, and I honestly don't know if anyone could have.
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Something people were saying a year or so ago but hadn't come up recently was how Labour under Corbyn hadn't really made an effort to sort out lovely Labour councils, which to be fair there was always so much poo poo to sort out that you can't really blame the Corbyn leadership for not managing it Looks to have tremendously bitten Labour in the rear end though since people in historically Labour seats with Labour councils associate things being so poo poo for so long with local government, despite 9 years of Tory government rule Boris managing to position himself as the candidate of change (via tremendous help from the media) is the real coup in all of this
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Jose posted:now that brexit is done and settled it'll be easier. the right are going to try and wrest control back but they'll be unable to and they'll have lost what little legitimacy they have if they try and civil war within the party again reading this post in Bart at Kamp Krusty voice
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:reading this post in Bart at Kamp Krusty voice the "we're going to die" or the "they fed us gruel" or the "we demand krusty"
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Grapplejack posted:Yeah it's not really a referendum on policy at all; the election loss was entirely because Corbyn couldn't get the party together and labour bring so split on brexit. Iirc his last policy paper thing was extremely popular with the party, he just doesn't have the skill to bring the party together, and I honestly don't know if anyone could have. i think he should have went in on one side or the other but either way he was hosed, he just chose the most hosed option in trying to triangulate
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Grapplejack posted:Yeah it's not really a referendum on policy at all; the election loss was entirely because Corbyn couldn't get the party together and labour bring so split on brexit. Iirc his last policy paper thing was extremely popular with the party, he just doesn't have the skill to bring the party together, and I honestly don't know if anyone could have. Corbyn had the classic problem of assuming the electorate understands what Brexit will do to them while also assuming they even cared if it meant less brown people.
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:Where's this from? It reads pretty well. wolves of god, an rpg about playing english heroes in the year 710  after the election, its become a lot funnier
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It seems to me that Labour was pretty evenly split between remain and leave and so Labour was essentially hosed considering how divided people are on remain and leave. Like there was really no way to make a coherent argument that wouldn't alienate half of Labour. Am I understanding this correctly? Because I keep seeing people making the argument that this is a bad sign because Corbyn was so far left and it means that the left can't win against Trump (yes it's a dumb argument). But the centrists also lost and what possible centrist argument that could be made that would have not resulted in Labour losing? I think in the situation Labour faced you try to thread the needle on Brexit and then try to get the people who want the stuff on the left (like tuition free college) to come out and vote to make up for the votes you're going to lose by not being more strongly pro-Brexit.
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lmao how The Guardian was crying how the loss was due to Corbyn scaring job creators, promising more worker benefits and not giving media like the Daily Mail the respect it deserves.
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