|
ThomasPaine posted:I think Glasgow is the only city in the UK where you can say 'corbyn supported the IRA' and a sizable part of your audience will say 'good lol' and I miss it for real *taps on Liverpool while John McDonnell looks at you with disapproving eyes*
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 08:15 |
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:I think Glasgow is the only city in the UK where you can say 'corbyn supported the IRA' and a sizable part of your audience will say 'good lol' and I miss it for real Maybe we don’t celebrate the IRA in quite the same way itt?
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:01
|
|
|
MikeCrotch posted:On a related note I didn't realise Jessflaps has some Sarah Champion esque views about Asian people until I looked through her Wikipedia page today I hear avoiding any kind of examination of what you stand for, believe or want has had a lot of success lately
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:03
|
|
|
Octolady posted:I dunno why it continues to be a thing but ughgh arguing with people about Corbyns involvement with the GFA/peace process/IRA is the worst. Such an emotionally charged thing to talk about. I have discovered a new one though. Apparently Seamus Mallon claimed Corbyn had nothing to do with the peace process and was just an IRA sympathiser. But I can’t find any evidence of him actually having said it except in quotes by Andrew Neil and the Spectator that I’m hesitant to trust. Mallon did definitely say that back in like 2017, wanted to say it was through Eamonn Mallie but cant find the exact reference. I mean its not really surprising because the SDLP most definitely DID NOT like the Labour Left who by in large where very much not fans of them and largely rejected their position regarding the principle of consent (unification must only occur through the consent of the population of NI and NI alone) for the majority of the 80's and largely did not associate with them preferring the more conventional Republican position. And Ireland policy was IMMENSELY controversial within Labour throughout the 70's and 80's with various factions all advancing different view points - some explicit pro-Unionists, the Time To Go lot (like Clare Short, Peter Hain) wanting to push Labour to actively support unification by seeking consent and the Troops Out Movement (which Corbyn and other left wingers where associated with) who wanted a simple commitment to withdrawal and unification. Ultimately Kev McNamara was put in charge of Irish policy in 87 and Unity by consent was accepted as the party position until the Blair years but this never exactly sat well with the left who saw it as a cop-out. Supporting Republicanism in the 80's wouldnt get you kicked out of Labour because you'd porbably loose like 75% of the London irish votes tbh
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:03
|
|
|
Total Meatlove posted:Maybe we don’t celebrate the IRA in quite the same way itt? I mean yeah also the IRA absolutely massacred civilians without one iota of a poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:03
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:I'm loving terrified of dying of diabetic ketoacidosis lol, great way to go I hear If there's anything we can do here, you just ask. It'll be tough times ahead for all of us but I'd never forgive myself if you went out like that and I could have done something to stop it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:04
|
|
|
Dabir posted:If there's anything we can do here, you just ask. It'll be tough times ahead for all of us but I'd never forgive myself if you went out like that and I could have done something to stop it. It's a trap Dabir he's just looking for tugjobs.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:05
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:I mean yes some of them will but I think that there's a bit of a disconnect in people's minds between terrorism and other kinds of conflict. The implication of course is that negotiating doesn't stop terrorism, that terrorism is just some unstoppable force we can only respond to by shooting them and more draconian laws. You will never ever get an englishman with an IRA hateboner to back off. They want to nuke ireland and then blame ireland for it. Tesseraction posted:I mean yeah also the IRA absolutely massacred civilians without one iota of a poo poo. gently caress off
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:05
|
|
|
Tesseraction posted:I mean yeah also the IRA absolutely massacred civilians without one iota of a poo poo. actually neither the provos nor the officials did this and the omagh bombing was dissident republicans who were against the GFA, up the ra
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:05
|
|
|
I mean other things Mallon recently said: A Unity referendum should require a supermajority He says things that a lot of people are going to uh disagree with
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:06
|
|
|
Dabir posted:If there's anything we can do here, you just ask. It'll be tough times ahead for all of us but I'd never forgive myself if you went out like that and I could have done something to stop it. it's very much appreciated but I have a decent stockpile for now and I will resort to criminality before I run out I assure you
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:07
|
|
|
Tesseraction posted:It's a trap Dabir he's just looking for tugjobs. everyone has needs
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:08
|
|
|
HorseLord posted:gently caress off Comrade you know as well as I do that not every bombing was justified, even if the greater cause was.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:08
|
|
|
Tesseraction posted:Comrade you know as well as I do that not every bombing was justified, even if the greater cause was. pretty much every bombing before omagh targeted legit military assets and where they were in civilian areas were called in ahead of time to allow for evacuations, the dissidents buggered this up big style
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:10
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:pretty much every bombing before omagh targeted legit military assets and where they were in civilian areas were called in ahead of time to allow for evacuations, the dissidents buggered this up big style La Mon, Enniskillen, Claudy All things the IRA actually loving apologised for because they realised they hosed up
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:12
|
|
|
kustomkarkommando posted:La Mon, Enniskillen, Claudy today I learned the provos were exactly as incompetent as expected lol I don't actually give a gently caress about the provos really, bunch of catholic ethnonationalists who hosed my good official commie boys ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 16, 2019 |
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:15
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:If I was going to suggest a theme for the next labour platform then it should probably focus on the "left behind", places, people, who have been ignored by all governments. Because even if you yourself aren't doing badly, chances are you live somewhere that has been. Come up with some good plans to rebuild towns and cities, fix housing, schools, public spaces, the environment. Yeah gotta agree with all of this. It's clear that so many of those northern places felt completely abandoned by Labour; making sure all the areas get proper attention and help is the right thing to do; and it's also a proper left-wing thing to do, suitable for Labour. (Also have to mention again a better, simplified manifesto & better messaging on it. Make it super clear how things will be better under Labour. Don't dilute the policies (except maybe dumb ones like free broadband), just improve the messaging.)
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:17
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:actually neither the provos nor the officials did this and the omagh bombing was dissident republicans who were against the GFA, up the ra The IRA absolutely did murder a lot of people indiscriminately. You're whooping and cheering about this like you're supporting a football team.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:18
|
|
|
Tesseraction posted:It's a trap Dabir he's just looking for tugjobs. Some outsiders might call this thread a circlejerk... little do they know...
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:19
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1206349790080110594quote:One new law will state that all convicted terrorists must serve at least 14 years in prison, a response to the London Bridge attack which was carried out by an extremist who was released from jail early. Another bans "all out" strikes on public transport so that trade unions cannot shut down a rail company's entire operations.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:19
|
|
|
crispix posted:The IRA absolutely did murder a lot of people indiscriminately. You're whooping and cheering about this like you're supporting a football team. you know I'm drunk and I'm angry about britain and you're probably right so I'm going to simmer down about it
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:19
|
|
|
A more compact manifesto probably would help and I can live without free broadband. That was a bit of a weird policy to be honest. I mean I liked it and it's a sensible one but... still a weird thing to headline with.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:20
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:you know I'm drunk and I'm angry about britain and you're probably right so I'm going to simmer down about it I mean fair play on the first two bits so I won't hold it against ya
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:21
|
|
|
Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1206349790080110594 lol take a good look, this is going to be the next 10 years of parliament: "hmmm we need to make workers powerless... what can we do to balance it out? I know! forbid no-fault evictions! landlords can still evict a tenant by saying they want to go back to live in the property anyway"
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:22
|
|
|
Tesseraction posted:I mean fair play on the first two bits so I won't hold it against ya I mean when someone who I know is from NI and lived through that poo poo tells me my take on NI is kinda dumb and I've got it wrong I'm at least going to pause for a second
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:25
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/rey_z/status/1206276427072581632
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:26
|
|
|
Is this how it's going to be now, poverty is a default state, any form of help is good optics.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:29
|
|
I can't get enough of are Dan
|
Thank you for all the info, I couldn’t find it myself so was wondering where it came from and I don’t know enough of the history. I was suspicious of the quote as it seemed unsourced but couldn’t find another reason it wouldn’t be correct. Having some of the context behind it is helpful and I’ll need to read up. Sorting out what Corbyn actually did or didn’t do during that time is a complete nightmare.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:39
|
|
|
HJB posted:Is this how it's going to be now, poverty is a default state, any form of help is good optics. Tory ideology is that poverty is inevitable because society needs hierarchy and winners need losers. So... yes.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:39
|
|
|
Tesseraction posted:It's a trap Dabir he's just looking for tugjobs. Do you have any idea what DKA is like? I do, because I survived it ten years ago thanks to prompt treatment. If the Tories gently caress up the medical supply lines after Brexit while simultaneously wrecking the NHS, you should imagine 400,000 people dying on the floor vomiting blood. Any diabetic who is not horrified and scared right now is not thinking right. Oh, and you voted for it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:41
|
|
|
Jedit posted:Do you have any idea what DKA is like? I do, because I survived it ten years ago thanks to prompt treatment. If the Tories gently caress up the medical supply lines after Brexit while simultaneously wrecking the NHS, you should imagine 400,000 people dying on the floor vomiting blood. Any diabetic who is not horrified and scared right now is not thinking right. Thank you but grow a sense of humour, jedit
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:43
|
|
|
Look, I've known rich fucks in real life, I know the phrase "virtue signalling" has been used in unfortunate ways in this thread, but trust me when I say that if it ever applies to one case in particular, boy howdy is it theirs. I swear, look at the family of one of them ultrarich fucks, and you'll see a bunch of pet causes, charity dinners, etc etc, to which obviously they contribute piddly amounts compared to the amount of wealth they extract It's something they do so they have something to talk about at dinner parties not even kidding Suggest they should pay their taxes in full though instead of evading through elaborate schemes? Security, please take this commoner out of the room gently caress the lot of them
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:49
|
|
|
Pochoclo posted:gently caress the lot of them
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:50
|
|
|
Pochoclo posted:gently caress the lot of them
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 01:53
|
|
|
How's the labour leadership fight shaping up? Who's who?
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 02:07
|
|
|
Nobody is anybody yet.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 02:10
|
|
|
so if the tories are softening up their economic approach a little bit while punching hard at minorities, what's even the point in running a social fascist like phillips or whoever, unless they're happy to be controlled opposition
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 02:12
|
|
|
The point is that jess phillips gets to talk about jess phillips.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 02:16
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:The point is that jess phillips gets to talk about jess phillips. https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1206277109980811264
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 02:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 08:15 |
|
|
It's weird because she looks like my driving instructor and I really liked my driving instructor cos she was lovely and very patient, so I get extremely conflicted feelings whenever I see her picture.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2019 02:24
|
|