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The OPCW FFM addressed the whistleblowers concerns in the final report on Douma, so it only really does in the mind of people who want it to.
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Are these types of US laws where they basically try to ban the whole world from doing business with entire states they don't like at the pain of being cut off from access to the US market (aka the heart of global capitalism) new? Because they seem new. And also uhhh, destabilizing? Like in a "once this legislation gets out of hand it feels like they might set up another leadup to WW1 type of situation".
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Orange Devil posted:Are these types of US laws where they basically try to ban the whole world from doing business with entire states they don't like at the pain of being cut off from access to the US market (aka the heart of global capitalism) new?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'd like to introduce you to a little country called Iran. Yeah I know this isn't the first instance of these types of laws, but was this used before Iran? Is this something that's been going on since before uhh, this administration? Or this century?
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Orange Devil posted:Yeah I know this isn't the first instance of these types of laws, but was this used before Iran? Is this something that's been going on since before uhh, this administration? Or this century? The US didn't have the ability to enforce similar sanctions a century ago. They rely heavily on the fact that US banking dominates global finance, and that's a relatively new thing.
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What does the US hope to achieve with these sanctions? Targeted sanctions against Assad and other regime leaders (and their relations) to directly negative effect their lives would be entirely reasonable, and could be justified as an incentive to encourage the regime to behave a bit better. But blanket banning any business with the entire country of Syria, when the civil war is essentially over, is just going to make civilians suffer. Assad and the elite will still live in relative economic comfort. And its not like this is going to encourage civilians to rise up against Assad in a revolution, because theres a pretty recent story of that happening and not going so well.
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Orange Devil posted:Are these types of US laws where they basically try to ban the whole world from doing business with entire states they don't like at the pain of being cut off from access to the US market (aka the heart of global capitalism) new? Cuba, 1996 Iran and Libya, 1996 Blut posted:What does the US hope to achieve with these sanctions? Wars, revolutions, terrorism, and all-around instability. The more unstable the Middle East is, the more the Saudi petromonarchies need US protection. The more they need US protection, the stronger the grip the US have over the large majority of oil exports in the world. He who controls Spice, controls the universe.
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Retarded Goatee posted:Ah yes, this is the west with its principled stand against human right abuses. It's not at all a transparent cudgel against a state actor deemed unacceptable to US interests.  I don't have to defend anything about any US actions anytime, anywhere, in order to despise Assad and everything he's done and stands for.
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The US has been imposing a lot of sanctions on a lot of countries these last few years. I feel like it isn't effective and will undermine the US lead financial order at some point if it continues. Also: Russian forces enter Raqqa.
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OhFunny posted:The US has been imposing a lot of sanctions on a lot of countries these last few years. I feel like it isn't effective and will undermine the US lead financial order at some point if it continues. The US market would have to stop being attractive for that to happen, so Trump's tariffs on everything imported is a lot more likely to make this happen than sanctions on penniless third-world countries.
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OhFunny posted:The US has been imposing a lot of sanctions on a lot of countries these last few years. I feel like it isn't effective and will undermine the US lead financial order at some point if it continues. Yeah, it's really seen an uptick in the last few years. There's been moves to try and circumvent the US financial system (see the EU and Iran) but none have really worked. But the more the US uses these for geopolitical gain, the more other countries will seek a way around it, or look for ways to game the system themselves. It's hard to imagine how this would actually transpire, given for dominant the US is in matters financial. Still, I think in the future people will look back on these pressure tactics as self-serving and short-sighted.
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Count Roland posted:Yeah, it's really seen an uptick in the last few years. There's been moves to try and circumvent the US financial system (see the EU and Iran) but none have really worked. But the more the US uses these for geopolitical gain, the more other countries will seek a way around it, or look for ways to game the system themselves. Well supposedly the digital Yuan is almost ready, which both may circumvent US sanctions and eventually the USD itself, but the future is yet unwritten.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-12-11/turkey-will-retaliate-against-any-us-sanctions-foreign-ministerquote:Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in a statement that Ankara may insist that the U.S. leave Incirlik air base if Washington goes ahead with the sanctions it has threatened in response to Turkey's purchase of S-400 missiles, Sputnik reports. Speaking of sanctions and potential blowback.
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OhFunny posted:https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-12-11/turkey-will-retaliate-against-any-us-sanctions-foreign-minister
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OhFunny posted:https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-12-11/turkey-will-retaliate-against-any-us-sanctions-foreign-minister Is this really a big deal for the US? The airbase is nice to have I'm sure, but other NATO states are close by, as is the Gulf where the US has bases.
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Count Roland posted:but other NATO states are close by Greece would be the next closest NATO state, which seems like a bit of a pain. Unless the RAF starts allowing others to use their Cyprus territories. Which for spiting Turkey would be the first time the Cypriots would actually like the British bases.
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Incirlik's location is pretty drat ideal. Losing it would be a major inconvenience, to say the least.
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The US hasn't really done any more sanctions than normal afaik, though there's been a huge uptick in tariffs, which Trump clearly intends to function akin to sanction because he wants to punish countries for trade imbalances because he doesn't understand how international trade works. I don't think the US has instituted anything close to the scale of the NK or Iraq sanctions in a long time, though the Iran sanctions were pretty severe and the most recent ones that come to mind. The sanctions against some Russian higherups are pretty severe... for the specific individuals targeted but not for anyone else really, afaik.
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Count Roland posted:Is this really a big deal for the US? The airbase is nice to have I'm sure, but other NATO states are close by, as is the Gulf where the US has bases. Incirlik is where the US nukes are stored as part of the NATO nuclear sharing framework with Turkey. If the USAF needs to evacuate Incirlik, it'll be the end of nuclear sharing with Turkey.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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suck my woke dick posted:The US should've unilaterally pulled out the nukes and announced it after the fact, change my mind I suspect the rules of NATO would rather frown on that. Keeping each other apprised of what you're up to is pretty integral to its operation.
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Deteriorata posted:I suspect the rules of NATO would rather frown on that. Keeping each other apprised of what you're up to is pretty integral to its operation. Turkey hasnt exactly been doing the same, like giving the Russians access to S-400 radar data during exercises with F-16s. And purchasing the S-400 in the first place.
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Deteriorata posted:I suspect the rules of NATO would rather frown on that. Keeping each other apprised of what you're up to is pretty integral to its operation. That's why some NATO members who had special forces embedded with the Kurds were really, really happy to learn via Trump's twitter that the Americans were pulling out to let the Turks go on a genocidal rampage. (Sorry, "demographic correction" is the new official euphemism.) Hence NATO's "brain death" and so on.
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Deteriorata posted:I suspect the rules of NATO would rather frown on that. Keeping each other apprised of what you're up to is pretty integral to its operation. Turkey is a NATO member only out of inertia and as long as Erdo is both undermining the alliance and murdering civilians they should be thrown to the wolves.
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suck my woke dick posted:Turkey is a NATO member only out of inertia and as long as Erdo is both undermining the alliance and murdering civilians they should be thrown to the wolves. Turkey is definitely not a NATO member "out of inertia", and NATO has no mechanism for kicking out a member, so good luck with that.
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enraged_camel posted:Turkey is definitely not a NATO member "out of inertia", and NATO has no mechanism for kicking out a member, so good luck with that. Problem solved
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In other news.. The Turkish Navy deported an Israeli research ship near Cyprus two weeks ago. https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Turkish-Navy-engages-with-Israeli-research-ship-deporting-it-out-of-Cyprus-610923 As a response, Israel in cooperation with Cyprus are bringing the ship back today. As part of a "military exercise". Cyprus issued two NOTAMs for this: A2390/19 NOTAMN Q) LCCC/QWELW/IV/BO /W /180/370/3257N03148E017 A) LCCC B) 1912150900 C) 1912241500 D) 15 0900-1400, 19 20-24 0600-1500 E) MILITARY EXERCISE WILL TAKE PLACE IN AREA : 331028N 0313906E - 325711N 0320556E - 324319N 0315730E - 325511N 0312908E - 331028N 0313906E / ORANGE AREA THE AREA WILL BE ACTIVATED IN REAL TIME THROUGH FULL COORDINATION BETWEEN TEL AVIV AND NICOSIA ACC THE AREA INCLUDES LATERAL AND VERTICAL BUFFER ZONE F) FL180 G) FL370 A2384/19 NOTAMN Q) LCCC/QWELW/IV/BO /W /150/250/3242N03216E017 A) LCCC B) 1912150900 C) 1912241500 D) 15 0900-1400, 19 20-24 0600-1500 E) MILITARY EXERCISE WILL TAKE PLACE IN AREA : 324106N 0320027E - 325210N 0320320E - 324538N 0323034E - 323103N 0322928E - 323253N 0321948E - 324106N 0320027E / PURPLE AREA THE AREA WILL BE ACTIVATED IN REAL TIME THROUGH FULL COORDINATION BETWEEN TEL AVIV AND NICOSIA ACC THE AREA INCLUDES LATERAL AND VERTICAL BUFFER ZONE F) FL150 G) FL250 Currently IAF units are also participating on the exercise. This is from an hour ago. https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/s...157220452454400
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Meanwhile: https://twitter.com/YusufErim79/status/1205921853786775554 https://twitter.com/YusufErim79/status/1205921855586127872 and laffo: https://twitter.com/YusufErim79/status/1205925956151644160 Yusuf Erim, Political analyst @trtworld posted:BREAKING The Turkey-Libya Security and Military MoU has been presented to Turkish Parliament for approval. The deal includes: Turkish support for the establishment of a Quick Reaction Force covering police and military responsibilities and if requested, establishing a joint office of Defense and Security cooperation in Turkey and Libya.
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Dante80 posted:In other news.. Middle East tensions soar as Pot orders Kettle out of area it doesn't own.
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Turkey recently signed a maritime agreement with Libya (I'm sure Turkey's military support has nothing to do with Libyan government's willingness to sign) that basically gives Turkey the control of eastern Mediterranean and blocks the building of EastMed pipeline from Israel to Greece via Greek Cyprus. All of the neighbouring countries have protested this as a blatant grab of oil and gas reserves. Turkey acts like Crete or Cyprus don't even exist.
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Nenonen posted:Turkey recently signed a maritime agreement with Libya (I'm sure Turkey's military support has nothing to do with Libyan government's willingness to sign) that basically gives Turkey the control of eastern Mediterranean and blocks the building of EastMed pipeline from Israel to Greece via Greek Cyprus. All of the neighbouring countries have protested this as a blatant grab of oil and gas reserves. Turkey acts like Crete or Cyprus don't even exist. How does this block the construction of a pipeline? Other countries do not need to recognize an agreement between Turkey and Libya.
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Nenonen posted:Turkey acts like Crete or Cyprus don't even exist. Inaccurate. During the last election season a bunch of AKP posters had the entirety of Cyprus on it painted red with a moon and star. They seem extremely conscious of the fact that Cyprus exists.
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Count Roland posted:How does this block the construction of a pipeline? Other countries do not need to recognize an agreement between Turkey and Libya. They have been sending Turkish navy to drive away anyone breaching their self-claimed maritime rights. So far they have been blocking research vessels from Italy and Israel. An Italian frigate made a stop in Cyprus last week reportedly to deliver the message that they too can show their flag in the area. I love what a beautiful mess NATO is in the Med.
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Grape posted:Middle East tensions soar as Pot orders Kettle out of area it doesn't own. No, apparently the Israeli ship was there at Cyprus's request. And the speed in which a military exercise was summoned up suggests it was planned with Cyprus and Greece to draw Turkey out.
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Unimpressed posted:No, apparently the Israeli ship was there at Cyprus's request. And the speed in which a military exercise was summoned up suggests it was planned with Cyprus and Greece to draw Turkey out. Turkey is the country claiming poo poo it doesn't own in this scenario. Israel and Turkey butt diplomatic heads a lot, while literally both involved in much of the same exact crimes. Grape fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Inaccurate. During the last election season a bunch of AKP posters had the entirety of Cyprus on it painted red with a moon and star. They seem extremely conscious of the fact that Cyprus exists. Yup. Just gotta finish up the demographic corrections on the Greeks they started in 74'. Then when thats all done, make sure to savagely smash the thriving democracy and civil society that the Turkish Cypriots have so that they stop complaining about how awesome Turkey is to them. Maybe demographically correct them too.
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Grape posted:Turkey is the country claiming poo poo it doesn't own in this scenario. Oh sure, I thought you meant specifically in this instance that the Israeli ship was also there without permission.
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Taliban attacked Bagram today. 2 weeks after trump leavs they straightup infiltrate the base.
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Assault on bagram todaym 2 loving weeks after trumo makes a visit the taliban just strait up attacked the base. Were at the final stage now.
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More calm, dispassionate, and accurate analysis from WCG, our Walter Cronkite. Get this man a Pullitzer.
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