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The REAL Goobusters posted:I started posting in this thread after the second episode and kept saying I think it was bad but kept getting yelled at lol. Way back in October. I tried to warn everyone I really did. I appreciate your effort and I wish I would have listened to you. 
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Dec 16, 2019 15:18
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I started posting in this thread after the second episode and kept saying I think it was bad but kept getting yelled at lol. Way back in October. I tried to warn everyone I really did. ok but you were super annoying about it just trolling with "no this show is loving dumb" instead of actually making an argument
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Dec 16, 2019 15:21
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Really big fan of Adrian going right for the "drop squid on it" button every time he runs into conflict When a problem comes along You must squid it Before the world goes up in smog You must squid it If the plan is going wrong You must squid it
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I started posting in this thread after the second episode and kept saying I think it was bad but kept getting yelled at lol. Way back in October. I tried to warn everyone I really did. You didn't get yelled at for your opinion. You got yelled at for being a threadshitting weirdo who didn't actually engage with people and their opinions. Plenty of people, including myself, have posted pretty heavy criticism of the show without resorting to this childish bullshit: The REAL Goobusters posted:
You don't get to post here and act like you were the correct, reasonable one all this time and no one listened to you. You're just an rear end in a top hat who insisted on hate watching a show while constantly baiting and antagonizing people in this thread. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Dec 16, 2019 15:23
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I enjoyed the journey even if the destination turned out it didn't really know where it was going. A major issue is that the original watchmen wasn't as plot mystery twisty as this. The show was stongest in the looking glass centred episode, the hooded justice episode where it did what the comic did and just spent a chapter following a particular character in this world, and weakest when it tried to blow your mind by piling up mysteries. At the end it worked overtime to resolve the major mysteries at least, but at the expense of not really doing as much with its concepts and characters as promised. massive spider fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Dec 16, 2019 15:27
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Fly Ricky posted:Agreed. The Hooded Justice flashback episode was the best episode, so, huh?
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Klungar posted:In Lindelof’s post-mortem interview with Sepinwall, he indicated that the original Cyclops plot was to put both the 7K and cops in masks that secretly had Mesmer technology embedded within such that Keene or whoever could mind control them into doing whatever they wanted. Trieu was originally the only one with the Manhattan Transferal plan. At some point in development (perhaps after the first couple of episodes were completed?) they decided to drop the Mesmer plot and have Cyclops going after Manhattan as well. I think leaving it as it was would help eliminate a lot of the complaints I’m seeing from folks that the set up from the first couple of episodes ultimately didn’t matter, because in the end the creators determined it didn’t either. Isn't the point of a miniseries that the plot is actually thought through and resolves itself in the limited time available??? I cant believe people defend making art like this lmao
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Dec 16, 2019 15:33
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massive spider posted:I enjoyed the journey even if the destination turned out it didn't really know where it was going. I enjoyed it overall, but I think I viewed it as I did while reading the book initially; I "forgot" about the mystery and just cared about how each particular episode flowed. As soon as Manhattan was strongly introduced, I realized the show was about a black woman becoming god and then looked at through that lens and was fine with it.
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Show should have ended with Angela cracking the egg instead of lowering her foot into the water, it's not interesting whether she's Manhattan or not, it's interesting whether she'd choose to be, that one was a misstep designed to end the show on a visually compelling cliff hanger but it really was not necessary. Otherwise I liked the superhero show, I don't know why everybody is complaining, it was well produced and compelling, superhero TV shows can hardly make complex meaningful statements about... anything, really. Visual metaphors and having the black blue jesus killing the KKK was good enough really. Show was enjoyable really, the finale was nowhere near as disappointing as the Lost finale.
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Dec 16, 2019 15:37
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emanresu tnuocca posted:
If your gonna try and make a prestige TV sequel to one of the most acclaimed comic series of all time credited with elevating the medium you gotta aim higher than that. You're right about the ending tho, the original comic ends with "I leave it entirely in your hands"
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Dec 16, 2019 15:47
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Klungar posted:Also, one other quote that stood out was that one of the guiding lights they took from the comic was starting as a gritty noir murder mystery and ending with bat-poo poo crazy sci-fi shenanigans. Seems most detractors would have preferred it stayed the former all the way through. Not even, as one of the loudest detractors in other places. Watchmen the original comic has unique properties that are, quite frankly, utterly impossible to adopt into any sort of prequel or sequel in our current post-MCU/DCU/etc. spamhell. What made Watchmen The Show interesting originally was the ideal of exploring the consequences of a world decades after the events of the original comic. How do everyday people live their lives? How do everyday institutions like the police operate? What are the more radical elements of society doing in the aftermath of the climax of Watchmen (the comic) and what are their goals? That was what was interesting about the HBO Watchmen show. The second that Lindelof & Co. did a burnout and run to the OG Watchmen characters as a crutch was when they damned themselves to embarrassment. massive spider posted:If your gonna try and make a prestige TV sequel to one of the most acclaimed comic series of all time credited with elevating the medium you gotta aim higher than that. They teach Watchmen in English classes now, for at least a decade now. It's an incredible piece of work that elevated the medium. Contrary to other posters ITT, it should have been treated with a near-biblical reverence. It might have helped the showrunner avoid yet another Spooky Laser Beam of Death In The Sky climax. But, alas. Taintrunner fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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i liked how the show looked and felt more and more like a Syfy original as the season went on
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Dec 16, 2019 15:48
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So the police had the plans to the owlship probably as part of Dan's sentence/deal. Which explains why it's not everywhere, like a car, and why it wasn't Archie. I'm very satisfied with this insane show. No season 2 for like... 3-4 years tho please
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Dec 16, 2019 15:52
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Thom and the Heads posted:i liked how the show looked and felt more and more like a Syfy original as the season went on The most frequently lauded show by the serial complainers ITT is a SyFy show, and yet they seem to have lost that audience. Odd.
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Dec 16, 2019 15:53
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Thom and the Heads posted:struggling to imagine anything more emblematic of modern broke-brained lib politics than a middle aged white man showrunner turning dr. m into a POC and then into a WOC lmao.
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Dec 16, 2019 15:55
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Bushido Brown posted:The most frequently lauded show by the serial complainers ITT is a SyFy show, and yet they seem to have lost that audience. Odd. i was referring more to the older style of Syfy programming on cable. Lots of this show looked kind of low budget and lovely considering this is on HBO. I haven't seen The Expanse.
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Dec 16, 2019 15:56
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Midgetskydiver posted:You didn't get yelled at for your opinion. You got yelled at for being a threadshitting weirdo who didn't actually engage with people and their opinions. Plenty of people, including myself, have posted pretty heavy criticism of the show without resorting to this childish bullshit: You’re leaving out the thing I quoted in that post that provides context for my post. Sorry friend but I was correct about this show from day 1. If you liked it though that’s fine
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Dec 16, 2019 15:57
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Thom and the Heads posted:i was referring more to the older style of Syfy programming on cable. Lots of this show looked kind of low budget and lovely considering this is on HBO. I haven't seen The Expanse. I just like pointing out the inherent ironies/contradictions that folks complaining about this have. People are always going to disagree, but most don't seem that thought through. For example, the scenes freezing and unfreezing Veidt didn't seem low budget to me. Trieu's centrifuge didn't seem low budget to me. But hey, what do I know.
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Dec 16, 2019 15:59
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Darko posted:Nobody sees this as an issue since Cyclops is a stand in for white supremacy. Why do you keep trying to push this? Because instead of making the show about the actual KKK or being a commentary about white supremacy in the US, it reduces real, lived trauma to lovely comic plot conniving about how a fictional KKK was actually behind everything but it's solved now because Trieu blasted them with lasers. It pisses all over the writing and themes present in the first 2/3 of the series in favor of some "actually, Red Skull was behind the holocaust" levels of dumb fuckery.
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Wonderful show. I really feel like this is a genuine continuation of the original's tone and storytelling style, besides. Last episode was more abrupt than usual in how it handles the shift between genuine drama and the pulp entertainment side of things, though Veidt and Laurie saving the day by turning knobs and dials in his mad scientist lab was very funny. Ozymandias, of all people, considers delusions of godhood a sign that someone must be stopped. Well, I suppose it's there to make us question Angela's decision. From Will's comment on Dr. M, one wonders if she'll want to be a more proactive in her 'playing god,' essentially reaffirming her commitment to vigilanteism.
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Reading Lindlofs post season rolling stone inteview one major misstep that seems apparent to me is that he is openly disdainful of the idea of the Kavelry as villians. Like he admits that they're kind of lame, not that threatening a presence past episode 3 and that Looking Glass can beat up 5 of them at once so who gives a poo poo, get to the real story. Except the entire horror of the opening sequence (which remains extremely effective) is that it establishes that white supremacy is an actual credible, terrifying threat to people of colour. To then turn around and go "oh they're just cartoon goon villains" and have the white superhero just offhandly pulp them like how Captain America churns through nazis them feels very off, and not true to the concept of a show that deals with the issue of race, or one as a deconstrucion or masked heroes. E; unrelated issue: veidts fart. This episode points out that all of Veidts actions on mars have been essentially a game he's been playing to stop himself going crazy. So he scripted his own trial. Ok thats odd, but psychologially interesting at least. But why the fart? It makes sense if you are there against your own will to show absolute disdain for the proceedings, but why write an impassioned debate as to the morality of your actions and then conclude with *fartz*? massive spider fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Preem Palver posted:Because instead of making the show about the actual KKK or being a commentary about white supremacy in the US, it reduces real, lived trauma to lovely comic plot conniving about how a fictional KKK was actually behind everything but it's solved now because Trieu blasted them with lasers. It pisses all over the writing and themes present in the first 2/3 of the series in favor of some "actually, Red Skull was behind the holocaust" levels of dumb fuckery. Yeah, I guess to me this makes sense if you don't view the last third as a quasi critique of the source material. It's Jon's trial, we end up watching, not Adrian's. I think there's more to unpack there than LOL God is black now - no wait, a black woman." I think folks will disagree whether that's earned, but that's what I'm left thinking about when I think of the series as a whole.
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Thom and the Heads posted:i was referring more to the older style of Syfy programming on cable. Lots of this show looked kind of low budget and lovely considering this is on HBO. I haven't seen The Expanse. That’s one thing that confused me about this show. I heard the budget was pretty high, so then why did everything look so cheap? Dr Manhattan looked particularly awful too.
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massive spider posted:Except the entire horror of the opening sequence (which remains extremely effective) is that it establishes that white supremacy is an actual credible, terrifying threat to people of colour. To then turn around and go "oh they're just cartoon goon villains" and have the white superhero just offhandly pulp them like how Captain America churns through nazis them feels very off, and not true to the concept of a show that deals with the issue of race, or one as a deconstrucion or masked heroes. We don't deserve the Battlestar Galactica reboot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EisvM8F_5PE
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massive spider posted:E; Nothing that happened on Europa really made sense beyond some flimsy 'veidt got really bored and is into roleplay' explanation. He basically got bored the second he arrived and started planning his escape while also making it a touch inconvenient? The smartest man on Earth didn't suss out that it'll take him four minutes to be bored by Dr. M's unimaginative Utopia? He cares for his 8 billion children but takes ten years to participate in an escape room adventure? So the fart was basically veidt slam dunking on a mentally challenged person, not much more. I mean, yeah the show has some issues, I still liked it!
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The REAL Goobusters posted:That’s one thing that confused me about this show. I heard the budget was pretty high, so then why did everything look so cheap? Dr Manhattan looked particularly awful too.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Nothing that happened on Europa really made sense beyond some flimsy 'veidt got really bored and is into roleplay' explanation. Veidt seems genuine when he asks Manhattan to send him to Europa. And then there's the whole motif of the cake being too sweet, that's really hammered in. I think he must have only decided on leaving after year 2 or so - he simply remembered when the satellite would arrive because he's the kind of comic book character who would have a flawless memory.
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Dec 16, 2019 16:26
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The most interesting part of the finale was the whole game warden mask thing, I wish there was more of that discussion. Anyway manhattan dead = no more blue weiner in the watchmen universe
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I started posting in this thread after the second episode and kept saying I think it was bad but kept getting yelled at lol. Way back in October. I tried to warn everyone I really did. Your manic 11 posts per page begging people to give you credit for calling 'show bad' might be more narcissistic than Trieu trying to become Manhattan.
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massive spider posted:Reading Lindlofs post season rolling stone inteview one major misstep that seems apparent to me is that he is openly disdainful of the idea of the Kavelry as villians. Like he admits that they're kind of lame, not that threatening a presence past episode 3 and that Looking Glass can beat up 5 of them at once so who gives a poo poo, get to the real story. hmm it's almost like Damon Lindelof has extremely lovely politics that he's expressed many times over
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I really enjoyed this show and thought the finale was a satisfying ending, but I do think the series would have benefited from one more episode getting into Trieu's background and motivations, and especially Trieu and Hooded Justice working together. Dr. Manhattan seems to have told Will almost everything that was going to happen, perhaps even that he was going to transfer his power over to Angela. So in the background Will was setting Trieu up, knowing she was going to bite it in the end. I would have liked to see more of this angle of the story. It's a very interesting element of the story that Will discovers he has a granddaughter, is told by Manhattan that she does want him in his life, but doesn't contact her for ten years anyway in his quest for justice against Cyclops.
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Star Guarded posted:I loved this show until the last two episodes when it took one of the most striking portrayals of the original Watchmen—the idea that if superheroes were real, they'd participate in war crimes and imperialism—and went on an unearned, two-episode redemption tour for Dr. Manhattan. What was that poo poo about? The show spends so much time on generational trauma and even references it with Lady Trieu when it implies Blake burned down her mom's village, but then it turns her into a one-note comic villain whose origins are only ever alluded to, instead of the space and respect that Angela and her grandfather's story receive. ...what show are you people watching??
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show ended up just ok. I thought pre dr. manhattan and post dr. manhattan were two very different shows and it was a weird way to pivot the series. still some good things in the series and I enjoyed a lot of it but was left disappointed by the end of it.
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I do sort of think that if Veidt was in catching-bullets shape he should have also been able to clown on Looking Glass at least as hard as he did on Nite Owl and Rorschach.
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Dec 16, 2019 16:56
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I thought the show wasn't perfect but was pretty awesome and I look forward to more seasons in the future. I don't understand the sheer vitriol of some of the posters here though, it's really out of hand.
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Dec 16, 2019 16:58
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My fav part of this thread was when the podcasts clips and interviews with Damon were posted and a lot or people were saying here that they don’t care about what Damon says or his politics.
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Dec 16, 2019 16:59
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Thranguy posted:I do sort of think that if Veidt was in catching-bullets shape he should have also been able to clown on Looking Glass at least as hard as he did on Nite Owl and Rorschach. That’s an old gun with a (relatively) slow moving bullet. For real tho, where did the Game Warden get a gun? Did DM create it? Did Adrian build it for him? I have a hot tip for Lady Trieu- 42 Billion dollars can solve a lot of world hunger if you spend it on food and distribution instead of Millennium Clocks. I mean, Veidt already has a machine where they can literally drop food from the sky!
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:I have a hot tip for Lady Trieu- 42 Billion dollars can solve a lot of world hunger if you spend it on food and distribution instead of Millennium Clocks. But she doesn't want to solve world hunger. She wants to turn
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Zaphod42 posted:...what show are you people watching?? The bad one (see title of thread)
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