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KillHour posted:Forget the general, I mean the primaries. They'd be replaced by even more insane people. I believe its too late to get on the ballot for most states but I could be wrong.
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Dec 16, 2019 17:01
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LOL, this looks like a book report some kid assembled the night before it was due.
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Dec 16, 2019 17:18
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Could have saved some time by just writing 'nuh uh' a bunch.
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Dec 16, 2019 17:24
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"Despite the overwhelming evidence of crimes, this is different from the other impeachment times because *loud farting noise*" There I saved some people a click 
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Dec 16, 2019 17:34
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......what????  https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1206613624388755456?s=20
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Dec 16, 2019 18:32
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:......what???? I mean you can't impeach him if he doesn't win in 2020 
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Dec 16, 2019 18:34
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:......what???? Fiorina (and most CEOs, really) are living breathing proof that meritocracy is a myth. We are really ruled by hyper-privileged dumdums.
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Dec 16, 2019 18:36
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https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1206634811735134208
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Dec 16, 2019 19:05
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Does anyone else believe in the duality that yes Trump launched the investigation request for personal gain and should be impeached , but also Biden and his son should have been investigated for seemingly obvious corruption ?
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Dec 16, 2019 19:17
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In any other loving universe this would be a smoking gun that's been slam dunked into a sure thing for Trump getting impeached and removed from office.
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Dec 16, 2019 19:18
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vincentpricesboner posted:Does anyone else believe in the duality that yes Trump launched the investigation request for personal gain and should be impeached , but also Biden and his son should have been investigated for seemingly obvious corruption ? Yeah I do. But Hunter Biden is no different than thousands of Failsons across the globe who do the same poo poo. They all should be investigated and it should legit be a stain on Biden.
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Dec 16, 2019 19:19
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what crime was committed that you would predicate an investigation on? being given a job because your dad has political power? here's a hint: no crime was even potentially committed or else Bill Barr would already be investigating it for trump and leaking to every media outlet in existence that they're all going to jail eke out fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Dec 16, 2019 19:22
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Yeah seems if Burisma is stupid enough to do it only to get even more investigated, who cares?
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Dec 16, 2019 19:24
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eke out posted:what crime was committed that you would predicate an investigation on? being given a job because your dad has political power? Ya know, as silly/hyperbolic as this sounds, after thinking about it, would that actually be a bad thing?
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Dec 16, 2019 19:24
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DandyLion posted:Ya know, as silly/hyperbolic as this sounds, after thinking about it, would that actually be a bad thing? i'm asking the bad poster who has dropped in to Just Ask Questions about biden, not proposing hypothetical laws
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Dec 16, 2019 19:25
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eke out posted:i'm asking the bad poster who has dropped in to Just Ask Questions about biden, not proposing hypothetical laws i mean, if the sitting VP's failson gets a job in a foreign country like ukraine for purely political reasons, it should be investigated. It should've been investigated back in 2015. That's not saying there was a crime. Someone should've absolutely looked into it and that shouldn't be a controversial viewpoint. Right now it's just dumb whataboutism of coures
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Dec 16, 2019 19:28
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oxsnard posted:i mean, if the sitting VP's failson gets a job in a foreign country like ukraine for purely political reasons, it should be investigated. It should've been investigated back in 2015. That's not saying there was a crime. Someone should've absolutely looked into it and that shouldn't be a controversial viewpoint. Right now it's just dumb whataboutism of coures the us government does not investigate things unless it has a reason to believe something criminal occurred
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Dec 16, 2019 19:31
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oxsnard posted:i mean, if the sitting VP's failson gets a job in a foreign country like ukraine for purely political reasons, it should be investigated. It should've been investigated back in 2015. That's not saying there was a crime. Someone should've absolutely looked into it and that shouldn't be a controversial viewpoint. Right now it's just dumb whataboutism of coures I remember somebody testifying in the open hearings that they'd said "this could look bad" to a superior, and that nothing came of it; it's quite possible that Biden personally pressed for the prosecutor who'd dropped the case against Burisma to be removed so that he could say "I wanted this company thoroughly investigated and it wasn't" (except now it's being spun as "he wanted him removed so that the case would be dropped", because time travel is a thing to some Republicans)
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Dec 16, 2019 19:33
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:......what???? I mean, if he's impeached a Republican is still likely in charge for the next year and another Republican can probably run in 2020 for her to vote for. If she doesn't vote for him in 2020, there might be a Dem in the White House which is a million times worse than the most corrupt and terrible Republican. It's actually not all that illogical from the conservative death cult viewpoint.
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Dec 16, 2019 19:36
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eke out posted:what crime was committed that you would predicate an investigation on? being given a job because your dad has political power? What do you think about Biden bragging on tv about how he withheld aid in order to get a minister fired? But seriously hiring his delinquent son for multi million dollars to be on an industry board he knows nothing about is obviously done to solicit favors
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Dec 16, 2019 19:42
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vincentpricesboner posted:What do you think about Biden bragging on tv about how he withheld did in order to get a minister fired? lol i thought your gimmick was being a lovely liberal not being some right wing troll
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Dec 16, 2019 19:44
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biden and trump would be sitting in the same jail cell in a just world, that isn't 'what aboutism' or 'both sides'
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Dec 16, 2019 19:44
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eke out posted:lol i thought your gimmick was being a lovely liberal not being some right wing troll Yeah when Biden admits to quid pro quo it's just crazy grandpa telling stories am I right
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Dec 16, 2019 19:45
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vincentpricesboner posted:What do you think about Biden bragging on tv about how he withheld aid in order to get a minister fired? were you confusing this thread for the breitbart comments section?
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Dec 16, 2019 19:45
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sorry anyone who posts literal Tucker talking points is not welcome in this thread
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Dec 16, 2019 19:48
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i'm profoundly sorry for humoring that. Get the gently caress out of here
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Dec 16, 2019 19:51
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vincentpricesboner posted:What do you think about Biden bragging on tv about how he withheld aid in order to get a minister fired? I too remember things that never happened
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Dec 16, 2019 19:53
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I too remember things that never happened It's almost like that was the whole point of constructing and maintaining a right-wing mediasphere that can't be penetrated from either direction.
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Dec 16, 2019 20:07
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vincentpricesboner posted:Does anyone else believe in the duality that yes Trump launched the investigation request for personal gain and should be impeached , but also Biden and his son should have been investigated for seemingly obvious corruption ? Unfortunately that behavior is extremely common and not at all illegal. It probably should be but we’d have to arrest every other offspring of anyone moderately powerful- which is why it probably won’t happen. It absolutely should disqualify either of them from seeking or holding any office of public trust though. edit: oh, lol PIZZA.BAT fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Dec 16, 2019 20:08
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I know the whole "Biden did the same thing" is a bogus talking point, but I'm also not able to succinctly refute it, as I lack the proper facts. Similarly for the whole "lack of material evidence" thing they keep harping on; it's a bad faith talking point designed to misinform and divide, but it's hard for me to refute it without getting lost in weeds of just how much evidence paints the picture.
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Dec 16, 2019 20:10
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snorch posted:I know the whole "Biden did the same thing" is a bogus talking point, but I'm also not able to succinctly refute it, as I lack the proper facts. If Biden did the same thing they both belong in jail, this only works if you want to make it clear that Biden's less guilty than Trump. He is, but who gives a poo poo.
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Dec 16, 2019 20:16
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snorch posted:I know the whole "Biden did the same thing" is a bogus talking point, but I'm also not able to succinctly refute it, as I lack the proper facts. What Trump did was an abuse of power that merits impeachment and removal from office regardless of what Hunter Biden or Joe did or did not do. It's completely irrelevant. There are agencies and international protocols for handling investigations of American citizens in foreign countries. If Trump was genuinely concerned about what Hunter Biden was up to, he could have had the Justice Department look into it through the proper channels. Withholding aid was not and never will be an appropriate way to go about it.
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Dec 16, 2019 20:18
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it sucks that trump effectively closed the door on Biden's son as an effective attack during the primary, because it's illustrative of why Biden shouldn't be remotely close to the WH, regardless of the legality of his son's involvement
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Dec 16, 2019 20:20
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snorch posted:I know the whole "Biden did the same thing" is a bogus talking point, but I'm also not able to succinctly refute it, as I lack the proper facts. i think if you're actually interested in getting into the weeds, you can pretty easily find plenty on Lawfare and JustSecurity written by very competent attorneys about both these topics i linked a pretty comprehensive set of essays from js earlier today that cover the evidence questions in more detail than you could possibly wish for eke out posted:https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1206585733118660609
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oxsnard posted:it sucks that trump effectively closed the door on Biden's son as an effective attack during the primary, because it's illustrative of why Biden shouldn't be remotely close to the WH, regardless of the legality of his son's involvement Exactly. Not to mention the fact he is a giant creep as well just like Trump. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 16, 2019 20:27
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vincentpricesboner posted:Exactly. Not to mention the fact he is a giant creep as well just like Trump. shut the gently caress up with your bad faith both sides bullshit. Dozens of credible rape allegations is nothing like Biden's behavior
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Dec 16, 2019 20:28
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vincentpricesboner posted:Yeah when Biden admits to quid pro quo it's just crazy grandpa telling stories am I right Governments (that's the word grownups use for a group of people that run a city, a state, or a whole country) don't always agree on what the best thing to do is. Sometimes one government will say "if you do this good thing, we'll do something you asked for," the way Mommy says "if you do your homework right away, you can have some gummy bears after dinner." President Obama (he was our president before this one) said something like that to Iran: if they agreed to stop trying to make a special kind of bomb, he would stop keeping American companies from working there. Many other countries' governments thought this was a very good thing, and they said they would do the same. This could be called "quid pro quo", because that's just a fancy way to say "this for that", but it wasn't bad because it wasn't about benefiting Mr. Obama, it was about keeping everyone safer. Mr. Biden also did something like that. There was a prosecutor in Ukraine who was very bad at his job, because instead of trying to be fair about how the government there handled possible crimes, he only cared about people liking him and giving him presents. (It's okay to like presents, but it's bad to like them so much that it makes you be unfair, especially if you work in a government.) So Mr. Biden said if the Ukrainian government didn't fire this bad prosecutor, the US wouldn't give Ukraine money to help with their war. Like with the agreement with Iran, other countries thought this was good, because it's better for everybody when governments are fair. Some people in our government think this was bad, because that bad prosecutor was investigating a company Mr. Biden's son worked for. The problem with what those people are saying is that the bad prosecutor stopped investigating the company, and stopping investigating in exchange for presents is something we know he did. So Mr. Biden's son's company might have gotten in more trouble without that prosecutor there, not less. The president we have now is a bad one because he wants to use our government so he can get presents from other governments, and so people will say he is smart even when he's not using his brain very well. He asked Ukraine to do things before getting money, like Mr. Biden did, but the things weren't to benefit everyone, just Mr. Trump. That's very bad, and that's why some people in our government want him to have to stop being president, because being fair is important.
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oxsnard posted:it sucks that trump effectively closed the door on Biden's son as an effective attack during the primary, because it's illustrative of why Biden shouldn't be remotely close to the WH, regardless of the legality of his son's involvement I think the goal is for Trump to pump this up as much as possible that Biden and his son also committed crimes - it might make Biden the popular candidate to take on Trump when in reality it can be a repeat of Hillary. Notice how we are less than a year from the next election and I don’t think Trump has mentioned Sanders at all. I think Trump knows he will lose against Sanders in all areas except the non-college-educated young white male group.
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vincentpricesboner posted:Exactly. Not to mention the fact he is a giant creep as well just like Trump. The gently caress outta here.
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