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makes sense, anime is commie as gently caress
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the revolution is gonna be so kawaii 
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a buddy cop comedy about the BSA called Kawaii Five-Oh
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Truga posted:makes sense, anime is commie as gently caress fantasy anime has a really high incidence rate of magic being an allegory for capitalism
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Is there anime that actually has class analysis baked into it? The closest thing I can think of is Akira, which as cyberpunk has elements of alienation and the decay of late capitalism, but I don't know if I could say it really presents a radical critique or anything like a Marxist lens beyond "things are gonna be lovely in the future of this society"
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Mr. Lobe posted:Is there anime that actually has class analysis baked into it? Little Witch Academia is a straight Marxist allegory, and it's safe to show to kids. If you mean something that's explicitly Marxist in a real-world sense, then there's nothing. The Ghost in the Shell tv series touched a lot on class divides and the rapacity of financialized capital, but can never quite reach a revolutionary outlook because it's post-punk and all the main characters are ultimately cops who work for a capitalist government that literally owns them.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Little Witch Academia is a straight Marxist allegory, and it's safe to show to kids. If you mean something that's explicitly Marxist in a real-world sense, then there's nothing. The Ghost in the Shell tv series touched a lot on class divides and the rapacity of financialized capital, but can never quite reach a revolutionary outlook because it's post-punk and all the main characters are ultimately cops who work for a capitalist government that literally owns them. Interesting, I know nothing about the Little Witch Academia series so maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised if I took the time to watch it some time. Ghost in the Shell is something I haven't watched since being radicalized. I wonder what I would think of it now.
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Mr. Lobe posted:Is there anime that actually has class analysis baked into it? Patlabor.
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Mr. Lobe posted:Interesting, I know nothing about the Little Witch Academia series so maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised if I took the time to watch it some time. LWA starts out as a really well animated Harry Potter knockoff where the main character is the first non-witch girl to be admitted to the academy because their enrollment rate is in decline. So it's slobs vs. snobs stuff, pretty typical. Then you get to the episode where they try to outwit a dragon, only the dragon has completely given up on magic so he can be a day trading financier. Then you get to the episode where all the magical creatures who are the maintenance labor of the academy go on strike because they're not getting enough magic to live. The main character gets sent in to break the strike and ends up being the strike organizer instead. At that point you're off to the races and it just keeps getting more and more Marxist. https://youtu.be/2nzwuGZizEs Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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planetes is also pretty good at class analysis, and the central ongoing conflict that defines the series centers around the idea that space development is only made possible by the exploitation of the periphery by first world technocracies (represented by INTO which is basically just NATO with the serial numbers filed off). the protagonists are literally space garbagemen whose job is to collect debris which if left unchecked will eventually strangle space travel through kessler syndrome, but also isn't profitable and so no one wants to fund them.
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On Friday at a lefty social event, someone I just met asked if I had even heard of Murray Bookchin and suggested I should google him.
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Lumpy posted:On Friday at a lefty social event, someone I just met asked if I had even heard of Murray Bookchin and suggested I should google him. he’s right you should also the Nazbol labour splinter party out there using the most Marxist adjacent rhetoric of any mainstream political party despite being theocratic hacks lol. make sure to click through for the thread https://twitter.com/blue_labour/status/1206286740362805248?s=21
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im googling murray bookchin and boy this guy sure loves Israel!
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bookchin was deeply flawed in a lot of ways but he's still better and has more valuable ideas to contribute to leftism than the average liberal philosopher, especially given the time he was writing. i particularly like the essay he wrote about the idea of a post-scarcity society being essentially realizable and that anything short of that is selective genocide via market forces which is pretty obvious to us now but wasn't a very common line even among socialists in the early 80s. plus his main schtick was less defending settler colonies and more attacking existing workers parties which isn't worse, per say, but isn't exactly better, and is at least consistent with anarchist instincts vis-a-vis assuming no state can ever actually manifest the will of the proletariat (and thus their ultimate goal of actually finding an outlet for that will in the real world, which is a laudable goal, even when dumb anarchists do it) i think there's something valuable in his flawed techno utopianism even if it's localistic tendencies lead to stupid gently caress-rear end paragraphs like this one quote:Are we to forget that Arab persecution of Jews, while less genocidal than European, has a centuries-long history of its own with the exception of Moslem Spain and Ottoman Turkey? That Arab pogroms against the Jews accompanies the Jewish settlement of pre-World War II Palestine, culminating in the extermination of the ages-old Jewish community of Hebron (once the seat of the Hebrew tribal confederacy) in the late 1920s? That the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in the 1930s (the precursor of Yassar Arafat two generations ago) was an avowed admirer of Hitler and called for a “holy war” of extermination of Palestinian Jews up to and into World War II? That Jordan's “Arab Legion” systematically leveled the old Jewish quarter of Jerusalem in 1948 and stabled horses at the Western Wall of Herod's Temple, defiling the most sacred place of world Judaism? which does unironically sound like a right-wing zionist email forward, and represents the worst part of his anarchist decentralization. all that being said it's worth googling murray bookchin because he's a great way to learn about why anarchists are dead wrong despite having a lot of ostensibly good ideas that can be easily appropriated and made into rational revolutionary ideas by actual leftists, i.e. statist Marxists, and to understand why people find that particular kind of ecological municipalism so compelling Frog Act fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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basically I think if you google Murray Bookchin you’ll end up reading a bunch of stuff with inchoate halfway-to-their-logical-conclusion late 20th century leftist ideas emanating from him and follow the thread he’s responding to until you’re a Leninist
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I think the PKK has proven that Bookchin's ideas are a pretty good strategy for people when it's impossible for them to have their own state.
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I listened to a podcast with a british volunteer, he said bookchin's influence there has been very overstated.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Ghost in the Shell tv series touched a lot on class divides and the rapacity of financialized capital, but can never quite reach a revolutionary outlook because it's post-punk and all the main characters are ultimately cops who work for a capitalist government that literally owns them. meanwhile in real life, fans gush about how great the robots and characters are  lmao i'm glad LWA dropped the metaphor thing and went straight for the striking workers
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Grevling posted:I listened to a podcast with a british volunteer, he said bookchin's influence there has been very overstated. Democratic Confederalism is like putting Lenin, Mao, and Bookchin into a blender and you come out with a smoothie that tastes like a state in everything but name. Truga posted:and all that poo poo completely flies over people's heads. Most people lack a visual language to interpret aesthetics. I didn't even think about the government owning Section 9 cyborgs until I watched an analysis video of the original GitS movie that interpreted the intro scene of Kusanagi's maintenance as demonstrating the government's control over her body and how it alienates her from self-determination. From there it doesn't take much meta knowledge to realize that their cyborg bodies are all on lease from the government, and if they ever tried to quit they'd be reduced to cyberbrains in a box. Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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I remember hearing a year or so ago that Hayao Miyazaki was an actual Marxist at one point in his life, but I'm not familiar enough with his work to say anything beyond that he often has an environmentalist message and he also tends to portray working people in an affirmative light.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I remember hearing a year or so ago that Hayao Miyazaki was an actual Marxist at one point in his life, but I'm not familiar enough with his work to say anything beyond that he often has an environmentalist message and he also tends to portray working people in an affirmative light. Miyazaki was a participant during the New Left students' movement, iirc
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Truga posted:and all that poo poo completely flies over people's heads. a fairly early example of this is the first gundam. it has a bunch of muslims in it, fighting for independence against a federation of douchebags, which is, according to creator himself, both trying to invoke an image of palestine, and show how stupid and hosed wars are. The fans are right
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miyazaki is funny. he basically invented moe because he had a crush on some anime as a kid, now he shits on otakus lol also, the best miyazaki is porco rosso. coathat posted:The fans are right
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My contention is that moe was invented by Hojo Tsukasa in City Hunter with the character Umibozu
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think the PKK has proven that Bookchin's ideas are a pretty good strategy for people when it's impossible for them to have their own state. i honestly don't know the extent to which they have manifested his ideas in the real world, but i'm curious, do you know (or does anyone) of any sources familiar with both that can articulate it? i ask because one of the big emphases Bookchin has is on domestic and localized production of important things to ensure a level of autonomous stability (assuming a truly cellular society hasn't been realized, so "cells" aren't specialized in something exchanged with other "cells") and it seems like the PKK doesn't really have the money or the infrastructure to implement some of his more technological visions for direct democracy / manufacturing
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highly recommend planetes. it's so loving good. it's all about the hopeless exploitation of the third world and a servile worker class that as yall said, underpins the space economy. it's never really shown directly but theres an awful lot of heavy industry in space so it must be a pretty big chunk of earth's economy. INTO is soulless bureaucrats. it's great. the 'antagonist' of the series is very relatable.
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gonna read planetes online at work today, i am a huge sucker for dystopian industrial sci-fi like that since it's the best vehicle for Marxism in the world of science fiction
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to clarify I watched the dubbed anime which was excellent and has great music and acting.
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Truga posted:also, the best miyazaki is porco rosso.
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do we have a photo of kasich eating a big toblerone?
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Mr. Lobe posted:Interesting, I know nothing about the Little Witch Academia series so maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised if I took the time to watch it some time. it's marxist down the point of painting labor strikes as good and capitalism literally being antithetical to magic
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i read a bookchin essay in which he complained that other anarchists were calling him a statist for suggesting that it would be a good idea to organize political parties or that some agreements (like those entailed in setting up a power grid) might have to be backed by force
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Ferrinus posted:i read a bookchin essay in which he complained that other anarchists were calling him a statist for suggesting that it would be a good idea to organize political parties or that some agreements (like those entailed in setting up a power grid) might have to be backed by force my big question after reading pretty much all of his work is what he intends to do with people who oppose his project, which was never articulated well to my recollection, just sort of woo wooed away with platitudes about creating a context where violent suppression of alternative tendencies won’t be necessary because of the latitude inherent to local social organizing in municipalist structures, which is a very poor answer to both theocracies abusing such a system and the inherent aggressiveness of fascism
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imho, anarchism is what happens when you're a socialist but havent completely let go of your liberal preconceptions. im aware this doesn't make sense completely, especially for historical anarchism, but for modern ones it seems to fit pretty well. basically that you've decided the system is bad but you havent yet accepted that its complete destruction by any means is the only path forward
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as one of the converts and thus not fully enlightened on the matter: my question about any form of anarchism as long as iv been politically aware has just been in the anarcho scenario whats to stop a bunch of like minded people from collectively agreeing/consenting to forming a state? Like whats the anarchist response to that? That some people might want a state.
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Venom Snake posted:as one of the converts and thus not fully enlightened on the matter: my question about any form of anarchism as long as iv been politically aware has just been in the anarcho scenario whats to stop a bunch of like minded people from collectively agreeing/consenting to forming a state? depends on the anarchist you ask, but the self-aware ones understand that it both isn't about eternally litigating when collective organization becomes a state, but rather implementing less-hierarchical (basically communist) modes of production and legislation and also that sometimes you need to organize a militia to shoot the statists/fascists/communists/swarthy dudes that aren't like you anarchism is definitely very compatible with organized violence and quashing other attempts at forming communitarian entities with negative or reactionary social characteristics but its precepts are often viewed through a liberal universalist lens. like an anarchist might believe that the state is inherently oppressive and that human freedom can only flourish in a context unregulated by bureaucracy while also being internally consistent enough to know that can only be achieved by categorically excluding certain ideologies that might manifest themselves in a context where everyone was completely free to follow their conscience (ideally). but they might also believe that a market place of ideas of whatever will somehow naturally default to a positive reproduction of anarchist ideas and the ancap adversarial intra-market collective down the street will just see the light eventually and definitely not blow them up with mortars Frog Act fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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