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LifeLynx posted:They didn't think people would be running in and playing in paper tournaments right out the gate. They thought of it more as a public beta test. In hindsight the minimal bans and up is a bad idea knowing how quickly Magic players would jump on it for a variety of reasons - from boredom with current formats to finance, and so on. hey im still crying about how i can't play copter!!! 
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Same I wish the format had good answers so it wasn’t ubiquitous in aggro cause yup love to play with it cause it’s so strong
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Dec 17, 2019 05:01
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Now's the time to take the opposite tack with Historic and add all the Moxes + Black Lotus.
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PleasantDirge posted:How are you exposed to quality fiction like this and still such a doofus? very carefully
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Dec 17, 2019 06:48
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uggy posted:Same I wish the format had good answers so it wasn’t ubiquitous in aggro cause yup love to play with it cause it’s so strong It's too bad the UU Submarine in Ravnica doesn't have evasion. It'd be a very reasonable play in a lot of decks without being in every single creature based strategy.
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Dec 17, 2019 06:50
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I can't find anywhere else that ruled on this and we've had a disagreement in our commander pod. So like all reasonable nerds I go to the goons for advice. Do the cards that you can keep from NivMizzet Reborns enter the battlefield effect have to be just two different colors in the casting cost ? Or can something like absorb thats UUW still get selected. One person is stuck on the 'exactly' part of it, everyone else disagrees but he owns the store so...
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Dec 17, 2019 06:57
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Grevlek posted:Do the cards that you can keep from NivMizzet Reborns enter the battlefield effect have to be just two different colors in the casting cost ? Or can something like absorb thats UUW still get selected. One person is stuck on the 'exactly' part of it, everyone else disagrees but he owns the store so... If it helps, the idea is he draws on the powers of the guilds and each of them gives him 1 spell. That's why it says "exactly".
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Dec 17, 2019 07:00
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Grevlek posted:I can't find anywhere else that ruled on this and we've had a disagreement in our commander pod. So like all reasonable nerds I go to the goons for advice. It says exactly those colours, not exactly those colour symbols. It's been forever since I've seen it resolved on Arena, but I think Absorb is a perfectly legal target for the UW pair.
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Dec 17, 2019 07:01
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Spiderdrake posted:You can pick one from each of the ten two-color combinations. Casting cost and symbols doesn't matter, just that status. You can't take three or four color combinations. You can't take an absorb and another azorius (U/W) card. Thanks that's what I was looking for!
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Dec 17, 2019 07:02
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fadam posted:It's too bad the UU Submarine in Ravnica doesn't have evasion. It'd be a very reasonable play in a lot of decks without being in every single creature based strategy. The Submarine is insane with Animating Faerie - it might have gotten hit in development because they thought Eldraine had a larger artifact animation subtheme?
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Dec 17, 2019 07:03
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flatluigi posted:i agree they should start banning the worst decks Leave Spirits and Seasons Past alone!
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Dec 17, 2019 10:28
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Hellsau posted:The Submarine is insane with Animating Faerie - it might have gotten hit in development because they thought Eldraine had a larger artifact animation subtheme? Somebody probably put Ensoul Artifact on it and went "aaaah" and then ensoul artifact was cut from whatever standard set it was going to be in (core 2020? maybe it will pop in for 6 months in core 2021?) i kinda want to try ensoul artifact + vehicles in pioneer now actually
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Dec 17, 2019 10:32
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ungulateman posted:Somebody probably put Ensoul Artifact on it and went "aaaah" and then ensoul artifact was cut from whatever standard set it was going to be in (core 2020? maybe it will pop in for 6 months in core 2021?) Despite the loss of Copter, UR Ensoul is a hell of a deck in Pioneer right now. Unfortunately aside from a harvester in the board, I don’t think any of the vehicles are especially good. Back when it was in Standard, how many PW did people play alongside Heart of Kiran? I’m seeing more and more builds maindecking The Royal Scions (check my post history, I had the idea first!!!!) so maybe there’s something there, idk.
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Dec 17, 2019 14:13
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LifeLynx posted:They didn't think people would be running in and playing in paper tournaments right out the gate. They thought of it more as a public beta test. In hindsight the minimal bans and up is a bad idea knowing how quickly Magic players would jump on it for a variety of reasons - from boredom with current formats to finance, and so on. Seems really silly for them to think this with how the community feels about Standard and Modern since MH. I think even the GPs have had Pioneer PTQs already. At some point they have to give deckbuilders time to adjust to the best deck(s) and not just ban whatever overperforms over a 1-2 week period.
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Dec 17, 2019 15:38
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freeman posted:At some point they have to give deckbuilders time to adjust to the best deck(s) and not just ban whatever overperforms over a 1-2 week period. Oh so you mean after the new year? which is when we already know they are stopping weekly B&R announcements because that's what they said when they announced the entire format? Its so confusing to me when people post the "They cant keep doing this stuff!" because, yeah we know they cant and we know when they are stopping so whats the issue?
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Dec 17, 2019 16:23
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have some brawl cards 
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Dec 17, 2019 16:26
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Paul Zuvella posted:Oh so you mean after the new year? which is when we already know they are stopping weekly B&R announcements because that's what they said when they announced the entire format? Didn't they announce that they're not doing timed ban announcements anymore and just banning whenever they feel like it? As long as it's on a Monday and not before a major tournament.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:32
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freeman posted:Didn't they announce that they're not doing timed ban announcements anymore and just banning whenever they feel like it? As long as it's on a Monday and not before a major tournament. That's how bannings literally already work. They just announce that they are happening or schedule them ahead of time. That's the only part they are stopping.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:34
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Do not put it past Wizards to not ban a card until the Monday before a major tournament.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:35
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Paul Zuvella posted:That's how bannings literally already work. They just announce that they are happening or schedule them ahead of time. That's the only part they are stopping. Am I missing something? They've primarily stuck to a schedule right? Hence the announcement that they're going away from that and my worry that they could just reaction ban every 1-2 weeks if they wanted further than this "beta test" period of pioneer that's supposed to end in early 2020.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:39
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these cards come from theros theme boosters someone's gonna need to make that spreadsheet bigger        
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Dec 17, 2019 16:41
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Elyv posted:have some brawl cards Dang I almost got excited about that zombie before I saw the "exiled with it" clause. Looks like there will be plenty of exile effects that play nice with Ashiok ult at least.
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Dec 17, 2019 16:43
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Mat Cauthon posted:Dang I almost got excited about that zombie before I saw the "exiled with it" clause. also it's a skeleton
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Dec 17, 2019 16:48
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This is straight up Korg, right?
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Dec 17, 2019 16:52
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BizarroAzrael posted:This is straight up Korg, right? it's an hecatoncheires
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Dec 17, 2019 16:55
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these are standard legal btw, available only in theme boosters or collector boosters. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/theros-beyond-death-theme-boosters-2019-12-17
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here's what you can find in a collector booster https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/theros-beyond-death-collector-booster-contents-2019-12-13 quote:here are fifteen cards plus a foil token in each Collector Booster found in eight "slots" in the booster. The slots are as follows:
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Dec 17, 2019 16:58
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Stop it. Just loving stop it with all this side poo poo. No more.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:01
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(non-Nyx basic lands) Oh cool, they're going to make the nice full-art lands harder to get, that's great, really nice of them.
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freeman posted:Am I missing something? They've primarily stuck to a schedule right? Hence the announcement that they're going away from that and my worry that they could just reaction ban every 1-2 weeks if they wanted further than this "beta test" period of pioneer that's supposed to end in early 2020. There is nothing stopping them from doing that with literally every format right now so I don't know why this change has any effect on that. They said they were stopping weekly bans after the new year and there is literally no reason to believe they will just... keep doing it. Like they don't have weekly bans for literally any other format so why are you afraid they are going to treat pioneer differently.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:(non-Nyx basic lands) didn't they already say the nyx lands were 1 per booster? doesn't sound like they'll be hard to get.
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Dec 17, 2019 17:10
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So many Timmies going to get blown out when they don't understand the timing of the exile.
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Star Man posted:Stop it. Just loving stop it with all this side poo poo. No more. wizards reading this post: "no, more? gotcha chief".
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Star Man posted:Stop it. Just loving stop it with all this side poo poo. No more. They have to milk as much money out of the players as possible before the next recession hits.
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I really appreciate all the different ways they've figured out to write unblockable on 7 mana 5/5s.
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Paul Zuvella posted:There is nothing stopping them from doing that with literally every format right now so I don't know why this change has any effect on that. They said they were stopping weekly bans after the new year and there is literally no reason to believe they will just... keep doing it. They just banned 2 more cards 2 weeks before the new year based on how they performed in the last 2 weeks since the previous ban. I just don't see them stopping now and with unscheduled bannings being the norm going forward I'm not going to buy into the format until we get 2+ months of no bans.
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There isn’t anything going on in Pioneer as hosed up as all the stupid 2019 bullshit that they’ve printed, I sincerely believe we are safe for now. Like Smuggler’s Scooter and Oath of Nissa are the only cards on the pioneer banlist not from 2019
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Kurtofan posted:it's an hecatoncheires Weirdly, they already printed a hekatonchires. Edit: Gah it's huge and I can't delete it from the post I'm sorry!
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freeman posted:They just banned 2 more cards 2 weeks before the new year based on how they performed in the last 2 weeks since the previous ban. they've said that they were going to do weekly ban announcements (which could still include "no bans") every week until the new year, then it'd settle into the regular ban announcements scheduled the same time as the rest of the formats not sure what part of this is so difficult
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Lone Goat posted:they've said that they were going to do weekly ban announcements (which could still include "no bans") every week until the new year, then it'd settle into the regular ban announcements scheduled the same time as the rest of the formats Because they got rid of regular ban announcements.
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