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Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Priests can but the bishops or patriarchs or whatever have to be cerebrates

e: I think

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Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

whether it's an intentional goal or not is up for debate on a case-by-case basis but alt-righters convincing each other to not jerk off helps give them another frustration that needs to be vented and directed toward the world

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Priests can but the bishops or patriarchs or whatever have to be cerebrates

Kerrigan didn't have to be.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Grand Prize Winner posted:

Priests can but the bishops or patriarchs or whatever have to be cerebrates

e: I think

who gets to be Zeratul in this scenario?

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Brother Entropy posted:

whether it's an intentional goal or not is up for debate on a case-by-case basis but alt-righters convincing each other to not jerk off helps give them another frustration that needs to be vented and directed toward the world

It’s actually so they save their cummies for each other

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

a lot of alt right people are obsessed with masturbation sapping your Bodily Fluids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21jA4k3rc0E

yeah i know that, but i was mainly asking about that particular term


speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1206583253613735936

(that whole thread'a a trip)

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦

yeah weird it's almost like biology isn't the sole motivating factor. but what else could it be

Gizmoduck_5000
Oct 6, 2013

Your superior intellect is no match for our primitive weapons!

Epic High Five posted:

Ya it's a thousand percent sincere lol

Look at how many are already promising to vote Trump or sabotage Bernie to ensure Trump wins if the primary doesn't go their way. Look at how many 2008 Clinton voters voted for McCain

These people are oath breakers, they don't actually believe in anything, their entire ideology is to keep things as they are and to make things worse out of spite if ever pressed to actually improve things

Well I don't doubt you. I just always assumed liberals were legitimately just gormless and feeble rather than insidious.

Like someone who would watch a person get viciously beaten right in front of them while scolding people across the street for not helping; turns out they're also doing some of the kicking.

Siljmonster posted:

yes, history has proven this over and over again, even within the last 100 years!

Sedisp posted:

Of all the historical examples we have yes they do.

Hitler came to power because the liberals in power allied with the Nazis out of pearl clutching over leftists beating up Nazis.

Okay I see it now.

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant" and all that garbage.

Gizmoduck_5000 has issued a correction as of 06:58 on Dec 18, 2019

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Gizmoduck_5000 posted:

Well I don't doubt you. I just always assumed liberals were legitimately just gormless and feeble rather than insidious.

Like someone who would watch a person get viciously beaten right in front of them while scolding people across the street for not helping; turns out they're also doing some of the kicking.

they don't start out kicking, they start going both sides and tut tutting the violence but they will as the fascists start to take hold and the left starts to retreat

liberals have no spine and no political will besides "maintain the status quo that keeps me comfortable"

fascism is a liberal democracy's immune system cascade when it encounters an economic crisis it can't solve, liberals will choose the side that preserves their place in society and socialism doesn't offer that

Gizmoduck_5000
Oct 6, 2013

Your superior intellect is no match for our primitive weapons!

Are Proud Boys still pretending to be anti-racist?

"Western chauvinist" is exactly what you would get if you typed white nationalist into thesaurus.com and it's right there in their manifesto.

Gizmoduck_5000
Oct 6, 2013

Your superior intellect is no match for our primitive weapons!

redneck nazgul posted:

they don't start out kicking, they start going both sides and tut tutting the violence but they will as the fascists start to take hold and the left starts to retreat

liberals have no spine and no political will besides "maintain the status quo that keeps me comfortable"

fascism is a liberal democracy's immune system cascade when it encounters an economic crisis it can't solve, liberals will choose the side that preserves their place in society and socialism doesn't offer that

Okay, I'm getting mixed up as to who "liberal" refers to here.

Are we talking those within the general populace who lagged behind the overton windows rightward shift? Because if they're in the working class, they don't have much status quo to protect. Is there a more formal definition I'm unaware of?

I'm not super well-versed in political theory. I'm just kind of a left-leaning, high school educated blue-collar guy who doesn't want to see people starve.

Gizmoduck_5000 has issued a correction as of 07:13 on Dec 19, 2019

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Mr Interweb posted:

yeah i know that, but i was mainly asking about that particular term


speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1206583253613735936

(that whole thread'a a trip)

Material effects on life choices? Influencing MY social-political setting?! It's more common than you think!

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Mr Interweb posted:

yeah i know that, but i was mainly asking about that particular term


speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1206583253613735936

(that whole thread'a a trip)

this is something i see at my job, withotu the weird focus on womens fertility. i have a couple clients in their 90s who realize now that leaving their kids all their money in their 60's and 70's doesnt leave them with a lot of utility for the money, and have started giving them the maximum gift amount before taxation every year

i thought a guy who worked at "thiel capital" wound have a basic understanding of this but then i learned that they just manage thiels money and nobody elses so of course hes a massive weirdo with no understanding of personal financial planning beyond the insanely wealthy

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

cumshitter posted:

a while back someone posted an article by a female doctor who studies sex and biology (forget the exact details) and basically the guy who ran NoFap was organizing and encouraging harassment of her for daring to point out that there is no biological benefit to not jerking off

cumshitter, if you by any chance have an interest in A) frequent ejaculation, B) proper prostate health, or C) chuds giving themselves cancer, you may be pleased to learn that, according to The Harvard Ejaculation Study,

quote:

Compared to men who reported 4–7 ejaculations per month across their lifetimes, men who ejaculated 21 or more times a month enjoyed a 31% lower risk of prostate cancer.

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
just diong my part in the war on prostate cancer

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
cumshitter plz inject infected blood into peter thiel

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
that's eric of tim and eric fame right

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


bad job

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/GoadGatsby/status/1205349142479953921
https://twitter.com/GoadGatsby/status/1206993599461761024
https://twitter.com/canine2/status/1206785457671098369



https://www.wired.com/2009/08/lawyer-fbi-paid-right-wing-blogger-charged-with-threats/

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
"I AM the false flag inside job" will be quite the defensive strat for chuds going fwd

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Gizmoduck_5000 posted:

I'm just kind of a left-leaning, high school educated blue-collar guy who doesn't want to see people starve.

"Wow, get a load of this commie thinking that other human beings don't deserve to starve. To the camps with you!"

- something anti-communists actually believe

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Alan Smithee posted:

"I AM the false flag inside job" will be quite the defensive strat for chuds going fwd
key graf in the wired article

quote:

"Almost everything was at the behest of the Federal Bureau of Investigation," Orozco said in a 45-minute telephone interview from New Jersey. "Their job was to pick up information on the responses of what he was saying and see where that led them. It was an interesting dynamic on what he was being asked to do."

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

key graf in the wired article

judge didn't buy it, Turner was jailed again for threatening officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner#Arrests,_trials,_and_conviction (with little blue numbers)

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008


divabot posted:

judge didn't buy it, Turner was jailed again for threatening officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner#Arrests,_trials,_and_conviction (with little blue numbers)

Even if that were true "The FBI asked me to do it" has never been a good defense, even when its obvious entrapment

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
this jan. 20 thing in virginia over a gun bill is a big rallying cry. there's a dual tendency here because the organizers seem to be trying to cool it on the more radical stuff and just turn it into a peaceful law-abiding lobby-at-the-capitol day (my guess as to the likely outcome), while the other tendency is incipient civil war / mass shooter memes on /pol/ etc.

you don't need the FBI to get fascists to put that stuff out. but the role of hal turner here makes me wonder whether some of this stuff is like a carrot, or while i'm struggling for analogies, something like the feds hitting the right with a big stick to see what shakes loose

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i'm just speculating. but like the graf said, turner's thing was to ramp up the rhetoric so the feds could study the responses and presumably tag people. i also vaguely recall weev claiming to have bullied turner out of the movement back during /pol/'s early years, like that was a big success to get rid of the informants so the alt-right could riiiiiise, but weev says a lot of poo poo so take that with a giant heaping of salt. but if /pol/ just got taken over by the same boomers in the end, how successful was it?

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

Alan Smithee posted:

that's eric of tim and eric fame right

no

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Gizmoduck_5000 posted:

Okay, I'm getting mixed up as to who "liberal" refers to here.

Are we talking those within the general populace who got lagged behind the overton window, because if they're in the working class, they don't have much status quo to protect. Is there a more formal definition I'm unaware of?

I'm not super well-versed in political theory. I'm just kind of a left-leaning, high school educated blue-collar guy who doesn't want to see people starve.

The confusion is probably over the way that most of society uses "liberal" as a catch-all term for anyone left of center and the more specific use of it on the left to refer to pro-capitalist folks who support progressive issues, but only if it doesn't materially impact them.

In the left sense of "liberal", you'll see an upper middle class person who votes for marriage equality, but will vote against a small tax increase to pay for school lunches for every student, or who fights against universal healthcare because they are fine and everyone who isn't just needs to get better jobs or work harder, or whose primary concern about for profit prisons is that they hire enough women and PoCs as guards.

They're folks for whom the current economic system works well. They may not mind some changes or some expansion of social programs, but they absolutely will not tolerate anything they perceive as a threat to their position in the economic order.

History shows that when a threat comes from the left, they readily partner with the right, even the antidemocratic far right, to maintain their position and prevent change, even in the face of popular support for change.

Also, it's important to understand that this isn't theoretical, this has happened literally every time a popular leftist movement rises.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



it's a hard thing to pin down because the role of the 'liberal' in capitalism is to have a shifting form

in times of no threats to the status quo, their duty is to give a smiling face and moral veneer to grim austerity and corporate plunder, and to help it along by any means necessary. See: The Dubbya years and the Iraq War

in times of threats, as we're seeing now, their duty is to co-op the burgeoning left in every way they possibly can, and to weaken and pump the breaks on any progress.

The former they do instinctively because they have so completely internalized the dominant ideology of corporate domination of all things that they believe there can be no other way, and because the system gives them enough crumbs to prevent them from questioning anything they never do

the latter they also do instinctively, as one of the first forms movements to their left take is a moral one that undermines their entire worldview and thus poses an existential threat. That their reaction is not introspection but rather to ape the new moral center while doing all they can to destroy it (see: how everybody is running on M4A but actually only one person is still) is not a coincidence.

When liberals boot up Twitter and see stuff like BronzeHammer's tweet about the outcomes being bad but the causes being good, or "*takes a deep breath* we gotta get more racist" it instigates a fight and flight response - they fight the left, and fly to the fascists, because at the end of the day they'll never personally do anything good unless forced to at knife-point

it's also why so much of the left seems to loathe liberals far more than reactionaries or conservatives, and why you see Fox News having more socialists on than MSNBC

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Azathoth posted:

The confusion is probably over the way that most of society uses "liberal" as a catch-all term for anyone left of center and the more specific use of it on the left to refer to pro-capitalist folks who support progressive issues, but only if it doesn't materially impact them.

In the left sense of "liberal", you'll see an upper middle class person who votes for marriage equality, but will vote against a small tax increase to pay for school lunches for every student, or who fights against universal healthcare because they are fine and everyone who isn't just needs to get better jobs or work harder, or whose primary concern about for profit prisons is that they hire enough women and PoCs as guards.

They're folks for whom the current economic system works well. They may not mind some changes or some expansion of social programs, but they absolutely will not tolerate anything they perceive as a threat to their position in the economic order.

History shows that when a threat comes from the left, they readily partner with the right, even the antidemocratic far right, to maintain their position and prevent change, even in the face of popular support for change.

Also, it's important to understand that this isn't theoretical, this has happened literally every time a popular leftist movement rises.

The problem with this has always been that left-liberals are a thing. Roosevelt was undeniably a liberal.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Norton the First posted:

The problem with this has always been that left-liberals are a thing. Roosevelt was undeniably a liberal.

The GOP has been engaged in a multi-decade fight to clamp down on any economic populist sentiment from their base and it's had the side effect of pushing out liberals who at least like to play at caring about the less fortunate. The Democratic Party was quite happy to accept them and that faction won control of the party in the aftermath of the Civil Rights voter realignment.

If the left faction wins control of the Dems (you can laugh, but it's possible), a bunch of them will undoubtedly migrate back to the GOP, assuming that whoever takes over after Trump isn't some dominionist nutjob who runs on a campaign of kick-starting Armageddon.

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy
https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/status/1207326033256603649

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
imagine picking that thing as your mascot jesu

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Azathoth posted:

assuming that whoever takes over after Trump isn't some dominionist nutjob who runs on a campaign of kick-starting Armageddon.

*Mike Pence starts that creepy serial-killer grin of his.*

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Alan Smithee posted:

imagine picking that thing as your mascot jesu

i know, it makes my skin crawl. and the obese frogs are also gross

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1207396046562897921

:siren: they're are troops now, bitchez :siren:

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





wasn't sanders involved in bringing the f-35 program to vermont? iirc

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
the f-35 is the people's plane now

it's good

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Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Azathoth posted:

If the left faction wins control of the Dems (you can laugh, but it's possible), a bunch of them will undoubtedly migrate back to the GOP, assuming that whoever takes over after Trump isn't some dominionist nutjob who runs on a campaign of kick-starting Armageddon.

Trump heightened the contradictions to the point where even Boomer liberals would rather choke to death on their own vomit than vote for him over Bernie. But I don't really think it addresses what I said.

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