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Baronash posted:What is the Republican interpretation of "high crimes and misdemeanors"? As a non-lawyer, that sounds like a pretty broad catch-all. If a democrat does it it's a crime. That's about it.
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I love how these Republican speeches pretend like Trump is a saint or something.
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SubG posted:Rep. Lesko outta nowhere claiming Democrats are tearing families apart. Cause they really do think of Trump as this like "I am the State" figure that factors into all Americans lives and that his fortunes are directly related to American families fortunes and thus it will destroy America and tear families apart from the sheer shock of seeing this 1 of 45 in 200+ years impeached. It could also be an acknowledgement of the ridiculous levels of polarization plaguing America and another chapter in those squabbles that have legit to a lot of families not speaking with each other anymore along party affiliation lines. Either way the GOP really does have no plans for a party without Trump at it's head and that alone SHOULD be alarming to Republicans but isn't because they're completely caught up in the now and this insane cult of Trump. As bad as the GOP has been for pretty much my whole life I still can't believe how far they've gone into converting it into a cult of personality for this one guy that has only been a factor in it's politics for like 4 years now, while a lot of Key senators and house members have been around for decades. His biggest achievement really is succeeding in completing the polarization of the country and effectively wielding a major political party against the rest of America and basically the world and there's just such a clear choice in 2020 on whether America wants that future for itself where this party that answers to one guy and one guy only's whims in power still.
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This is very consistent with all of Trump's stated positions on : - sex crimes - war crimes - crime of being black - himself
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refleks posted:God CBS has some dumb loving talking heads. NPR radio coverage has been pretty good in pointing out all the lies and debunked poo poo the Reps are bringing up in real time.
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Dec 18, 2019 16:56
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The GOP is a dying political party. When they saw the surge caused by Trump entering politics they made a Faustian bargain for a few more years of relevance. The impeachment is essentially speeding up their demise either way. If Trump gets impeach and removed, all that support evaporates and becomes disorganized. If he doesn't, the efforts to protect him will hopefully galvanize everyone left of center to sweep these fuckers out of politics.
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mdemone posted:It has no legal definition and has never been ruled on by SCOTUS. It’s probably non-justiciable. High crimes and misdemeanors are what Congress says they are.
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Kennedy is really hoping that his quote ends up in a documentary.
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Unless there is a surprise Trump is not getting removed. Hope is to somehow use this as an albatross for the GOP in 2020 and beyond elections.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:The GOP is a dying political party. When they saw the surge caused by Trump entering politics they made a Faustian bargain for a few more years of relevance. The impeachment is essentially speeding up their demise either way. If Trump gets impeach and removed, all that support evaporates and becomes disorganized. If he doesn't, the efforts to protect him will hopefully galvanize everyone left of center to sweep these fuckers out of politics. The 2012 Republican postmortem is still really one of the pivotal moments of this decade. Where they researched the reasons for their loss, and unambiguously discovered that they were long-term screwed due to embracing old white guys over PoCs, women, and young people in general. It concluded that outreach to those groups was essential to the future of the party. The Onion by contrast made this call, knowing Republicans better than themselves:  https://politics.theonion.com/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of-pure-1819595330
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Scooter_McCabe posted:The GOP is a dying political party. When they saw the surge caused by Trump entering politics they made a Faustian bargain for a few more years of relevance. The impeachment is essentially speeding up their demise either way. If Trump gets impeach and removed, all that support evaporates and becomes disorganized. If he doesn't, the efforts to protect him will hopefully galvanize everyone left of center to sweep these fuckers out of politics. This is wrong and dangerous thinking. The GOP isn't dying, they're just morphing into a political party in power with only a small % of the population as their voting supporters. Its far more likely that the future looks like a republican President/Senate-House with excessive electoral counts and ~35% total votes. It will take a very long time to un-gerrymander the country.
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DandyLion posted:This is wrong and dangerous thinking. Between the massive gerrymanders, the court stacking, and the willingness to accept foreign influence, the Republicans aren't going anywhere. If Trump wins in 2020 he will likely get one, if not two, more SC seats and that will guarantee GOP relevancy for another 40 years. At some point we are going to become a country where politics is rules by a party with less than 30% popular support, and that is a dangerous place to be.
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Very Serious Network CNN is giving Rick Santorum a loving voice on their panel Jesus Christ.
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SchrodingersCat posted:Between the massive gerrymanders, the court stacking, and the willingness to accept foreign influence, the Republicans aren't going anywhere. If Trump wins in 2020 he will likely get one, if not two, more SC seats and that will guarantee GOP relevancy for another 40 years. They've already done this by stacking the circuit courts, allowing voter suppression, and legalizing gerrymandering The supreme court denied cert to a wholly 100% unconstitutional ruling from a lower court just to prevent Roe vs Wade from potentially being overturned. We are in full triage mode right loving now
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DandyLion posted:This is wrong and dangerous thinking.
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah, that's not true. It's likely for them to get the Senate, yes, but the house and presidency are not even close to guaranteed. Perhaps not the house, but I'm not sure how you can feel safe about the Presidency when the President won off the back of Russian propaganda and is actively engaging foreign entities to hurt his rivals and win the next election. Why should we believe if Trump succeeds that it won't be the new modus-operandi for maintaining presidential hegemony?
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Anyone have any idea who the two Dems are voting against party lines? E: beaten
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e: *see below for screenshot of votes*
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eke out posted:take USPOL chat about what you think the future of the GOP is to USPOL I think discussing ramifications of impeachment on the GOP is fair game in the impeachment thread. I mean, unless an actual moderator wants to chime in and tell us to cut it out. At the moment there isn't much to discuss except for the pointless discourse in the house prior to a party-line vote to impeach.
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What's the reasoning behind a no vote? Why even allow something like that in the first place?
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The Lemondrop Dandy posted:prep to set up debate:
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the old republican party dies, a new one rises it's an empty suit full of money, it doesn't matter who wears it
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It's really unfortunate that this whole situation has happened in the US, but very satisfying to hear the concrete declaration of Trump's crimes being read out in plain, affirmative, solid language in the US House. Feels good man.
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I am so glad that they are calling out Trump's obstruction. All those times he refused to provide witnesses and documents. Hold that poo poo against him.
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SchrodingersCat posted:I think discussing ramifications of impeachment on the GOP is fair game in the impeachment thread. I mean, unless an actual moderator wants to chime in and tell us to cut it out. posting about gerrymandering and court packing and the long-term GOP control of the country is not and will not be on topic for this thread, please post about impeachment or go somewhere else
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So Gabbard is abstaining on these procedure votes,? What a piece of poo poo
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The reading of the crimes, crimes, crimes.
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oxsnard posted:So Gabbard is abstaining on these procedure votes,? What a piece of poo poo Weren't we expecting that? She's a DINO for all intents and purposes and will likely be doing Fox News segments for thirsty, sexually-frustrated conservatives before long.
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LeeMajors posted:What do we call a plurality of constitutional crises? Crisis on Infinite Constitutional Crisises
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SchrodingersCat posted:Weren't we expecting that? She's a DINO for all intents and purposes and will likely be doing Fox News segments for thirsty, sexually-frustrated conservatives before long. She's going to run third-party and gently caress up everything.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:It's important to note those same "If not Bernie then gently caress this world" voters plugged their nose and voted for Trump over Hilary. If Bernie doesn't make the cut again, they will go right back to voting for Trump because they are all pieces tankie of dog poo poo. hahahaha
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oxsnard posted:So Gabbard is abstaining on these procedure votes,? What a piece of poo poo
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