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The Taycan's efficiency problem might be the fact that it has permanent magnet motors on both the front and back. Unlike with induction motors, The PM motors are very powerful and efficient but you can't simply turn one off while cruising and have it freely rotate without dragging the axle down.
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Pretty sure the EPA doesn't assign the mileage, the manufacture submits it and the EPA tests that it's at least within 10% (or some %) on their tests. So they could of submitted a conservative number so people don't have the thing where they never get their range on the highway.
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ClassH posted:Pretty sure the EPA doesn't assign the mileage, the manufacture submits it and the EPA tests that it's at least within 10% (or some %) on their tests. So they could of submitted a conservative number so people don't have the thing where they never get their range on the highway. Ooooo, I thought the EPA rating was a tested number, not a verified submission.
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I wish they labelled highway/city range like they do mpg. Also devise a test that differentiated between warm and cold weather
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HONG KONG SLUMLORD posted:I apologize to you all because I got this on Jalopnik (it’s a bad habit), but the EPA just kinda took a big crap on the Taycan by rating its range at 201 miles. That’s crazy. Based on my driving style it should get about 230 miles.
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MrYenko posted:Ooooo, I thought the EPA rating was a tested number, not a verified submission. It's been that way a while which is why Hyundai / Kia got hefty fines for grossly overstating their mileage. https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-and-kia-out-745-million-over-false-mpg-claims-1654019291
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Re: Porsche, they're usually known for understating their performance, seems odd they'd get this so wrong? What are real world tests showing?
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MomJeans420 posted:Re: Porsche, they're usually known for understating their performance, seems odd they'd get this so wrong? What are real world tests showing? I won’t believe anything until uncle Björn tests the Taycan out.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:16
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MomJeans420 posted:Re: Porsche, they're usually known for understating their performance, seems odd they'd get this so wrong? What are real world tests showing? You could scroll up three posts and find out from someone who’s actually driven it.
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Got my L2 charger for the Leaf in today! I ended up going with a no-name Chinese one, Clippercreek just didn't have the options I wanted, and I don't really want it connected to the internet and poo poo like Chargepoint wants, biggest feature for me was 16/24/32 amp selectable charging. Had to chop the NEMA 14-50 plug offa it and pit on a 6-50, confirmed that the Neutral stab is dead and not connected in the plug. Got it plugged into one of my nice welding extension cords in the garage, in a 30 amp circuit. With the selectable current model I can choose to do a nice slow 16A charge overnight, or up to 6.6kW if I want to get power in the battery in <2 hours. It's interesting to see how power drops off once the battery gets around ~95% SOC. Had to charge off local CHAdeMO a couple times this week, both were BLINK stations, and holy poo poo these things are a shitshow of design, touchscreens angled up so they catch water, no physical protection against breakage on them, big TV screens in them for some weird loving reason... just make them big grey boxes like they should be. In general my Leaf is awesome.
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Dec 14, 2019 04:59
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Elviscat posted:New charger display. Nice, cool that you were able to use the CHAdeMO plugs for a while. I didn't think there were that many, but seem to be quite a few in the Seattle area on Plugshare.
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Nice, I like the volt/amp/Watt display.
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Was wondering that. What are the two amperages in the lower left? Nominal and actual?
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stevobob posted:Does that ground icon in the middle indicate a fault? I was wondering the same thing! I checked that I had a good ground with my meter, it doesn't seem to impare function. taqueso posted:Was wondering that. What are the two amperages in the lower left? Nominal and actual? Pretty much, max that it will draw at that setting and actual. I like it, the kWH display is really nice, I'm tracking it on a spreadsheet since I have roomates, so we know how much of each electric bill are going to power my car.
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The manual says that it means a ground fault, but even the sample screenshot shows it happily charging while faulted. Guess it's advisory.https://www.steam-brite.com/equipment/Zencar%2020181010%20Level%202%20EVSE%20Electric%20Vehicle%20Charger%20240v%2032amp%20ADJUSTABLE%2014-50p%20Home%20Charging%20Station%20Brochure.pdf posted:Image to right show if charger has open ground fault. The red arrow on left show proper grounding. Red arrow on right show open ground that needs to be fixed.
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Cool! Just like hopping marinas - your boat is connected and charging, but there's a mysterious ground issue - don't swim or touch anything metal while connected.
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When they say Open Ground Fault that implies to me that it is not properly grounded rather than having a true ground fault.
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helno posted:When they say Open Ground Fault that implies to me that it is not properly grounded rather than having a true ground fault. Yeah it's telling you that it's not properly grounded, which is a safety hazard (a real one, fix it!), not something that will prevent your equipment from working. The grounding conductor is there as an emergency drain basically, it isn't normally carrying current. But in the fail state where it's supposed to carry charge, if you don't have a proper ground, then someone's gonna get shocked.
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Actually, if it is a cheap European charger, its just telling you that you are on a 120V system instead of 230 that it thinks it is. Its probably looking to see if the ground is at the same potential as one of the legs (supposedly neutral). As that wont be the case in a 120/240v system, you can just ignore it. I had the same problem on a 240V UPS - if you didn't disable the fault, it says "Wiring Fault" and wouldn't close the contactor. The official solution from Eaton was to disable the fault.
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HONG KONG SLUMLORD posted:I apologize to you all because I got this on Jalopnik (it’s a bad habit), but the EPA just kinda took a big crap on the Taycan by rating its range at 201 miles. The explanation is up now https://jalopnik.com/heres-why-the-porsche-taycan-turbos-epa-range-is-so-bad-1840444842 The short version is the 2 cycle EPA test Porsche used has a .7 derating factor to account for things like bad weather. So the car had the same 280ish mile range in testing but the final number is .7 of that.
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Looks like the US EV federal tax credit may be getting a reform? https://thenextavenue.com/2019/12/16/electric-vehicle-credit-updated/ Big points:
Apparently it's got decent bipartisan support. Well see if it actually goes anywhere. These aren't retroactive unfortunately it sounds like, so if this passes and you bought with a $1,875 tax credit you're SOL.
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New tax credit program looking less likely today. https://twitter.com/tsrandall/status/1206625780152905730
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It's my birthday, so I knocked off work early, grabbed a beer and the old multimeter, and headed out to the garage for some fun, results: Ground pin on NEMA 6-50 to separate ground from house: 0.3Ω Ground to first leg of 240V supply: 119VAC, 500kΩ Ground to second leg 240V supply: samsies Ground pin on NEMA connector to ground pin on SAE connector: 0.01Ω For fun: Both hot pins on the SAE connector show 0VAC to ground, so this thing definitely breaks the circuit when unplugged. So it's definitely not a problem with the wiring TO the EVSE I wonder if it's an internal fault with some GFCI type protection on the EVSE? Either way I'll just keep ignoring and using it until it shits itself, or until it shocks and kills me. The Leaf is still great, woke up to a 74° car this morning, I checked the charger and the climate control apparently hogs down 2kW by itself. Electric motors just simply make better traction motors than gasoline or diesel though, it's not terrible to drive, a lower ratio rack and heavier touch on the wheel would go a long way to making it feel sporty and fun. It also has a HUGE usable volume in the cab, great for running errands.
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The cybertruck was spotted on public roads again build quality suggests it's nearing production spec
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Powershift posted:The cybertruck was spotted on public roads again Don't believe it. Surely they'll have to add side mirrors for the production version.
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Powershift posted:The cybertruck was spotted on public roads again Don't Doxx me please
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Powershift posted:The cybertruck was spotted on public roads again That's the H variant, I'm waiting for the S variant myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGR9EOgMY6w
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Powershift posted:The cybertruck was spotted on public roads again This must be the smaller version Elon mentioned would be coming. Once again Tesla delivers on all of its promises in a timely fashion. In other news, act surprised that Trump dropped an executive veto on the tax credit reform.
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Mercedes went from this to this  Great work! Another generic SUV/Crossover shaped vehicle.
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Looks like you can get a tax credit for home charger cost, retroactively:quote:
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drat... the credit was in effect in 2017?! I thought it expired in 2016! I bought a ClipperCreek 20A EVSE in Feb. of 2017. I wonder if I can still claim that somehow.
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Awesome, my Energica Ego just got 10% cheaper
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:Looks like you can get a tax credit for home charger cost, retroactively: Does this include e-bikes, or just electric motorcycles? It'd be nice to get a ~$100 credit for the e-bike I just bought.
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Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:Mercedes went from this Why, yes, the same people that loves the sleek 3-door would love another tall 5-door thing! How could you think otherwise? Just once, I want to see a car mag picture the concept, then the “finished” work in a review, and title the review “What The gently caress Is This?” or something along the lines of “Manufacturer X Shows One Thing, Bait And Switches To Another”. If what you intend to build is a loving CUV, make the “concept” a CUV. Quit blue-balling. Not that I can afford to buy anything new anyway...
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Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:Mercedes went from this Well, that nixes my wife's C240 replacement. She hates SUV's.
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Darchangel posted:Just once, I want to see a car mag picture the concept, then the “finished” work in a review, and title the review “What The gently caress Is This?” or something along the lines of “Manufacturer X Shows One Thing, Bait And Switches To Another”. Honestly, these both sound like jalopnik headlines.
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