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Deteriorata posted:There is no valid defense of Trump's actions, either official or otherwise. They're just spouting bullshit because they have to say something. It’s like watching a public defender try to claim their client’s innocence after the jury just watched a 4K video of the client recording himself cannibalizing a dude. Except the public defender is bound by their duty (and the honor of the court) to offer a defense, but the GOP house and senate is doing the exact opposite of doing their duty and honoring the constitution.
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What's the accepted votes -> crimes ratio? How many votes equals one free crime?
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InsertPotPun posted:honestly am I in a bubble? IS there an "official" defense other than "it's not a crime when trump does it?" is it something I've missed? The defense is a mix of bullshit and table pounding. It consists of claims that the process was bad or somehow wrong (it wasn't), that the very act of impeachment is illegitimately overturning an election (it isn't), that witnesses exonerated the president (they super didn't), that what the president did wasn't actually illegal (it was), and that regardless of all that it isn't impeachable (multiple legal scholars testified that it definitely is). Essentially, the defense is an attempt to throw so much garbage information at you that you lose the ability to tell what is really true. To combat this slurry of bullshit, maintain the truth as your North Star. The facts of the case are clear, and are supported by witness testimony and documentary evidence. Focus on what really happened, do not get bogged down fighting each untruth. There are infinite possible lies and one truth - if you only fight the lies, you will never reach their end. Focus on the evidence and the damned truth. Do not waste time deciphering all the bullshit, you'll never finish. EDIT: Not that you are personally falling for it.
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Harrow posted:What's the accepted votes -> crimes ratio? How many votes equals one free crime? apparently it's 31.5 million votes = 1 free crime, since Donald Trump got 63 million and he's been accused of two
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An insane mind posted:Ok it's not clear to me, why is Schiff now taking over? Did Nadler get rattled? i mean would you want to do this poo poo for 6 hours straight
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Dec 18, 2019 22:42
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So wtf does impeachment actually mean/do it the Senate can just squash it.
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Harrow posted:What's the accepted votes -> crimes ratio? How many votes equals one free crime? It's like the Republicans are unaware that every single president that was impeached was elected into the presidency.
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CyberPingu posted:So wtf does impeachment actually mean/do it the Senate can just squash it. impeachment is the equivalent of a grand jury bringing an indictment, forcing a trial in the senate.
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Dec 18, 2019 22:45
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after hearing the same stuff so often these past two weeks, my brain is seriously melting from listening to all this poo poo can't wait until they vote, even though i know it'll prob be tmrrw
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Dec 18, 2019 22:46
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Arturo Ui posted:i mean would you want to do this poo poo for 6 hours straight Oh no I wouldn't, but it's just that some Republican dick got real angry at him and now he's turning over to Schiff. If he's just like, fuckit I'm done for today, fair enough.
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Dec 18, 2019 22:46
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Is Amash going to speak? He's the only person who might actually say something interesting.
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CyberPingu posted:So wtf does impeachment actually mean/do it the Senate can just squash it. Makes a poo poo load of them look bad for the 2020 elections. It's a bonus if they actually get him out.
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I wonder how many Republicans (both politicians and voters) actually think that if Trump is removed from office, Hillary gets to be president
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An insane mind posted:Ok it's not clear to me, why is Schiff now taking over? Did Nadler get rattled? Oh poo poo, the big boy's in the house? Maybe it was planned because Collins is their big noisy foil who has hopefully expended his energy, and has also been vociferous about confronting Schiff. Now the most eloquent proceedings leadership figure gets to be on prime time, fresh-faced, get some good digs in, and the repubs may derail from planned talking points to try and beef with him directly, which would look childish.
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Dec 18, 2019 22:48
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CyberPingu posted:So wtf does impeachment actually mean/do it the Senate can just squash it. Practically? Nothing. It's effectively censure writ large. All it really does is compel the Senate to act on it. The Senate can squash it, but they can't squash it quietly. This is widely expected to happen so no one is going to be surprised or disappointed when it does. The point of it is that there are a number of Senators - it's unclear just how many, but probably more than the Republican advantage in the Senate right now - who lose politically by the House forcing things to this point. A vote, any vote, on whether or not to keep Trump in office in no uncertain terms will have consequences in the 2020 election, as will the verdict rendered by the Senate as a whole. If they ditch him, their own voters and Trump will be furious, and that translates into at best depressed Republican turnout and at worst getting primaried. If they keep him, the Democratic base will be even more furious and that translates into Democratic votes in the general. Plus, it'll make Trump mad as hell that his administration has now been permanently marked as one that got impeached, and that's always good for some comedy.
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gandlethorpe posted:Is Amash going to speak? He's the only person who might actually say something interesting. You just missed him. He stressed how nonpartisan his decision to impeach is.
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Dec 18, 2019 22:49
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Thanks for fielding all my stupid questions guys.
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haveblue posted:Practically? Nothing. It's effectively censure writ large. All it really does is compel the Senate to act on it. this. unless a miracle happens. he is gonna get aquited but the GOP has no good out when doing that so it will hurt them hard in 2020 no matter what.
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Jesus how many goddamn Republican from Texas are there
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Dude didn't get the memo that the right thinks Joe McCarthy is a hero now.
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:The defense is a mix of bullshit and table pounding. It consists of claims that the process was bad or somehow wrong (it wasn't), that the very act of impeachment is illegitimately overturning an election (it isn't), that witnesses exonerated the president (they super didn't), that what the president did wasn't actually illegal (it was), and that regardless of all that it isn't impeachable (multiple legal scholars testified that it definitely is).
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InsertPotPun posted:honestly am I in a bubble? IS there an "official" defense other than "it's not a crime when trump does it?" is it something I've missed? I believe the official party line from the Republicans at this point is: rawraratatarraqwwwwwwrr
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CyberPingu posted:Thanks for fielding all my stupid questions guys. Thank you for asking, it's how you learn all the dumb niche poo poo and the explanations help others too!
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Dec 18, 2019 23:01
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I wish somebody would pull an A Time To Kill on the Republicans. "Imagine the president colluded with a foreign country to cheat in an election. Imagine that president spending millions of tax payer dollars along with doing everything they could to break every law they thought would give them an advantage. Imagine them fighting tooth and nail at every opportunity to deny and obstruct due process and the law in pursuit of these selfish goals. ...now imagine that president was Hillary Clinton. I yield the remainder of my time."
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GreatGreen posted:I wish somebody would pull an A Time To Kill on the Republicans. It would turn out about the same way for the same basic reasons.
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Guys I might be a Democrat now
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Guys I might be a Democrat now I have had this thought a lot recently, and I am not trying to draw any equivalence between Republicans and Democrats with this but... Democrats are terrible.
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My Democrat colleagues believe that the 2018 election overturned the 2016 election. This is an abomination. The 2016 election should be the only election that ever counts from now until forever, praise be to the electoral college.
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An insane mind posted:Ok it's not clear to me, why is Schiff now taking over? Did Nadler get rattled? How long has he been up there?Seems like you would need a break if nothing else at some point.
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Democrats: "Trump committed the following crimes for which we have hard evidence:  "Republicans: "THIS IS A SHAM, NO COLLUSION"
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THE DEMOCRATS ARE JUST JEALOUS OF TRUMP'S VERY LARGE HANDS
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shitlibs are gonna gently caress it up like usual lmao
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Anyone else catch Joe Wilson end his time with "We'll never forget September 11th, and the global warming terrorism"
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Awww lil' Dougie had a coffee
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Republicans posted:Are they gonna vote soon? 2 hours
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Scoops My Goops posted:Anyone else catch Joe Wilson end his time with "We'll never forget September 11th, and the global warming terrorism" I think he was muttering out the standard "god bless our troops" and got ahead of himself so it came out garbled, but he said "the global war on terrorism." The thing I find most surprising is how lovely at speaking most of these people are.
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