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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

bird with big dick posted:

Wait a minute, are you a lawyer?

If you're a lawyer you have to say yes, it's the law

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bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

What if you’re not a lawyer though do you have to say no

What if you’re both a cop and a lawyer

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

It a crime in many states to practice law unauthorized the elements of which can contain falsely representing to people That you are a lawyer when you are not.

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar

bird with big dick posted:

What if you’re both a cop and a lawyer

then you run for president and drop out after being called pig non-stop.

Nonexistence
Jan 6, 2014
What if you're a lawyer who can't afford a lawyer

CornHolio
May 20, 2001

Toilet Rascal
Okay, this should be an easy one.

I'm in Indiana.

My grandmother died in May of last year, in a car accident.

My grandfather got ahold of a lawyer and was pursuing a wrongful death suit against the other person. This lawyer submitted paperwork naming my mother the executor of her mother (my grandmother, the one that died).

My grandfather died in September.

In their will, it names my mother as executor for both.

She has paperwork showing that she accepted being executor.

I sold their other car to a friend for $750. The title lists my grandmother and my grandfather as the owners. I gave my friend copies of the death certificates, and a copy of the letter showing that my mother was the executor.

The BMV came back saying they need a letter that's signed by a judge naming my mother executor, what I've come to find out is called a letter of testamentary.

Because of the aforementioned wrongful death suit, my mother is able to get this letter for my grandmother but not (yet, I hope) for my grandfather. I called the probate court and they weren't even aware he had died.

There was another lawyer handling their estate, but after they died he washed his hands of everything. The lawyer pursing the wrongful death case admits he's not a probate lawyer and referred me to one, who hasn't yet called me back. I'm just hoping somebody here can let me know what the proper process here is, and what I need to do (or what my mother needs to do, since she's the named executor). I am assuming she's going to need this paperwork to sell the house as well, when it comes to that.

Long story short, grandparents died and named my mom executor, what legal steps in Indiana do we need to follow to get the paperwork so that we can sell things titled in their name?

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

What’s usually the best way to give a person that is absolutely not yet my lawyer some documents? Should I just print everything out? Include a list of links where they came from? Put pdfs and whatnot on a flash drive? Email it all? Are lawyers suspicious of flash drives from clients? What if I put a virus on there? Or pornography?

It’s mostly HOA stuff that he could access himself but some of it will be emails from the HOA and he probably doesn’t have access to my gmail also I put together a power point to illustrate what I think our best possible legal strategies are and also some relevant case law I found on Nextdoor.com

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Def put what you think your best legal strategies are in writing and share with us

With respect to your prospective lawyer just ask them and go with what they say as lawyers are idiosyncratic about everything.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


bird with big dick posted:

also I put together a power point to illustrate what I think our best possible legal strategies are and also some relevant case law I found on Nextdoor.com

...........okay, honestly? You got me, I can't tell if you're serious or not.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

bird with big dick posted:

What’s usually the best way to give a person that is absolutely not yet my lawyer some documents? Should I just print everything out? Include a list of links where they came from? Put pdfs and whatnot on a flash drive? Email it all? Are lawyers suspicious of flash drives from clients? What if I put a virus on there? Or pornography?

It’s mostly HOA stuff that he could access himself but some of it will be emails from the HOA and he probably doesn’t have access to my gmail also I put together a power point to illustrate what I think our best possible legal strategies are and also some relevant case law I found on Nextdoor.com

Ok this is a pretty good troll, gotta give it to you

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

bird with big dick posted:

What’s usually the best way to give a person that is absolutely not yet my lawyer some documents? Should I just print everything out? Include a list of links where they came from? Put pdfs and whatnot on a flash drive? Email it all? Are lawyers suspicious of flash drives from clients? What if I put a virus on there? Or pornography?

It’s mostly HOA stuff that he could access himself but some of it will be emails from the HOA and he probably doesn’t have access to my gmail also I put together a power point to illustrate what I think our best possible legal strategies are and also some relevant case law I found on Nextdoor.com

You should ask for a discount because all the lawyer has to do is proofread your work and sign off on it.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

bird with big dick posted:

What’s usually the best way to give a person that is absolutely not yet my lawyer some documents? Should I just print everything out? Include a list of links where they came from? Put pdfs and whatnot on a flash drive? Email it all? Are lawyers suspicious of flash drives from clients? What if I put a virus on there? Or pornography?

It’s mostly HOA stuff that he could access himself but some of it will be emails from the HOA and he probably doesn’t have access to my gmail also I put together a power point to illustrate what I think our best possible legal strategies are and also some relevant case law I found on Nextdoor.com

Print everything out, then scan it back in slightly crooked. Make sure you scan it as an image, and then paste each image into a word document, zip each document separately, and then email them to the lawyer one at a time.

At least this is how clients usually share stuff with us.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Ashcans posted:

Print everything out, then scan it back in slightly crooked. Make sure you scan it as an image, and then paste each image into a word document, zip each document separately, and then email them to the lawyer one at a time.

At least this is how clients usually share stuff with us.

Lol that’s pretty good

Arcturas
Mar 30, 2011

You should paint one side of your house garish pink so that's all your neighbor can see when looking in your direction.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



CornHolio posted:

Okay, this should be an easy one.

I'm in Indiana.

My grandmother died in May of last year, in a car accident.

My grandfather got ahold of a lawyer and was pursuing a wrongful death suit against the other person. This lawyer submitted paperwork naming my mother the executor of her mother (my grandmother, the one that died).

My grandfather died in September.

In their will, it names my mother as executor for both.

She has paperwork showing that she accepted being executor.

I sold their other car to a friend for $750. The title lists my grandmother and my grandfather as the owners. I gave my friend copies of the death certificates, and a copy of the letter showing that my mother was the executor.

The BMV came back saying they need a letter that's signed by a judge naming my mother executor, what I've come to find out is called a letter of testamentary.

Because of the aforementioned wrongful death suit, my mother is able to get this letter for my grandmother but not (yet, I hope) for my grandfather. I called the probate court and they weren't even aware he had died.

There was another lawyer handling their estate, but after they died he washed his hands of everything. The lawyer pursing the wrongful death case admits he's not a probate lawyer and referred me to one, who hasn't yet called me back. I'm just hoping somebody here can let me know what the proper process here is, and what I need to do (or what my mother needs to do, since she's the named executor). I am assuming she's going to need this paperwork to sell the house as well, when it comes to that.

Long story short, grandparents died and named my mom executor, what legal steps in Indiana do we need to follow to get the paperwork so that we can sell things titled in their name?

I can’t say for Indiana for sure, but it sounds like probate has not been initiated for your grandfather’s estate and it needs to be.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

bird with big dick posted:

A lot of people itt are kind of unpleasant for some reason
This coming from the person who wants to use their HOA to force their neighbor to remove a bunch of trees because of their precious, precious view?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Ashcans posted:

Print everything out, then scan it back in slightly crooked. Make sure you scan it as an image, and then paste each image into a word document, zip each document separately, and then email them to the lawyer one at a time.

At least this is how clients usually share stuff with us.
That doesn't make any sense at all; instead of emailing the documents, they should just fax them.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Faxing is fine. It saves a step

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Thanatosian posted:

This coming from the person who wants to use their HOA to force their neighbor to remove a bunch of trees because of their precious, precious view?

Yes.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

bird with big dick posted:

a power point to illustrate what I think our best possible legal strategies are and also some relevant case law I found on Nextdoor.com

Yes

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Thanatosian posted:

That doesn't make any sense at all; instead of emailing the documents, they should just fax them.

Only if they fax them one at a time, and want to call and confirm each page was received before sending the next one.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
Faxes are still a thing? I thought they'd gone the way of cassette tapes and car phones.

tinytort
Jun 10, 2013

Super healthy, super cheap
Faxes are still a thing. Less common, for most businesses, these days - email is a lot faster, after all - but they're still a thing.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Outrail posted:

Faxes are still a thing? I thought they'd gone the way of cassette tapes and car phones.

What's wrong with cassette tapes and car phones? I love mine!

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Outrail posted:

Faxes are still a thing? I thought they'd gone the way of cassette tapes and car phones.

Not really, except for medical applications and some lawyer things.

Most of it is done via scan-to-fax and email to fax.

The recipient usually gets the fax as an email attachment.

The purpose of the extra step is to CTHULU T FNARGH

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

FrozenVent posted:

Not really, except for medical applications and some lawyer things.

Most of it is done via scan-to-fax and email to fax.

The recipient usually gets the fax as an email attachment.

The purpose of the extra step is to CTHULU T FNARGH

If I ask my court clerk to email me an [x] page document, I'll get an email with [x] separate one page .tif documents, so I just ask for the fax.

Modus Pwnens
Dec 29, 2004

bird with big dick posted:

What’s usually the best way to give a person that is absolutely not yet my lawyer some documents?

As a forums attachment, then buy them a forums upgrade to establish the attorney-client relationship.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
Another dumb 'I saw it on tv' question. Do you need to give a lawyer money before they're your lawyer? Is the 'give me a dollar so I can't testify against you' a thing? If so does it have to be local currency? Can I pay you with a chicken or a half eaten Big mac or a high five and now you're my lawyer?

Outrail fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Dec 19, 2019

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
E: will you accept a double post?

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.

Outrail posted:

Do you need to give a lawyer money before they're your lawyer?

No.

thehoodie
Feb 8, 2011

"Eat something made with love and joy - and be forgiven"

Outrail posted:

Another dumb 'I saw it on tv' question. Do you need to give a lawyer money before they're your lawyer? Is the 'give me a dollar so I can't testify against you' a thing? If so does it have to be local currency? Can I pay you with a chicken or a half eaten Big mac or a high five and now you're my lawyer?

No is the right answer to the first question but it may be slightly more complex in practice. You can have a Solicitor-client relationship in a limited capacity - for example, for an intake interview - and have that relationship be protected by privilege without any exchange of money. But that doesn't mean the lawyer will necessarily be your lawyer without money, that usually depends on the field of practice. Criminal lawyers will almost never act for someone without money up front.

Arcturas
Mar 30, 2011

Outrail posted:

Do you need to give a lawyer money before they're your lawyer?

Only if they're Rudy Giuliani and you're giving him money through a front.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Outrail posted:

Another dumb 'I saw it on tv' question. Do you need to give a lawyer money before they're your lawyer? Is the 'give me a dollar so I can't testify against you' a thing? If so does it have to be local currency? Can I pay you with a chicken or a half eaten Big mac or a high five and now you're my lawyer?

It's not required. On the other hand, touching an attorney with a thing of value is not a binding spell, either.
The real answer depends on what aspect of the attorney client relationship you're taking about. E.g., what = hired and what = attorney client confidentiality can be very different.

joat mon fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Dec 19, 2019

incogneato
Jun 4, 2007

Zoom! Swish! Bang!
In addition to what everyone else said, the whole concept of pro bono practice is based upon an attorney-client relationship where no money is needed. These are usually charities representing low income people.

Also you don't pay a public defender.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
You're paying them in warm fuzzies though, it's still a transaction.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Modus Pwnens posted:

As a forums attachment, then buy them a forums upgrade to establish the attorney-client relationship.

Username "Bird with a big dick's lawyer"

If they post you have an attorney-client relationship.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

incogneato posted:



Also you don't pay a public defender.

We're talking about lawyers here.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Outrail posted:

Another dumb 'I saw it on tv' question. Do you need to give a lawyer money before they're your lawyer? Is the 'give me a dollar so I can't testify against you' a thing? If so does it have to be local currency? Can I pay you with a chicken or a half eaten Big mac or a high five and now you're my lawyer?

No.
No.
No.
Yes.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

CornHolio posted:

Okay, this should be an easy one.


This is what we in lawyer land call a "tell".

The answer is always "go talk to a probate lawyer in your area."

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Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
Can I get a little help with oil and natural gas type law?

State is West Virginia. My parents have been contacted by a gas company, not for outright drilling rights, but because they're going to begin drilling in a location that will tap into a well we may be on top of. The actual sites and planned pipelines are pretty far away. The company's offering a flat fee of a few thousand with royalties that won't add up to much since there's barely any acreage for a 5-year lease (4K upfront, probably average out to $50-$70 a month in royalties, the company's agent is quoting a $150 but that's...optimistic). It's just a normal rear end home in a development. Apparently they've been hitting up the rest of our neighborhood and nearby neighborhoods, and after checking they're not bullshitting about that part at least. They contacted the HoA and the guy in charge basically shrugged, said that neighborhood lawyers seemed happy and there wasn't anything we could do anyway.

The contract is just for the gas. It has no surface rights or any other issues. They're not drilling on our land (and aren't allowed to) and they don't have the right to transport across it with a pipeline, or supposedly even walk on it. Just got the contract itself in hand today and we'll have a few weeks to review it.

The big issue is that this stuff is apparently already set up. The contract was already negotiated by people more involved with it, they already have an approved pad and pipelines, we have no way to block it, they're taking the gas anyway starting in a couple of months. The contract did at least have provisions about not pumping outright wastewater back in, royalties coming from the gross and not net, etc. It sounds like the deal itself wasn't terrible, and they've already been fracking in the general area for a little bit, just not under our land, so things won't change much hopefully. Other than a sudden feeling that the house probably needs a real water filter.

But since we're not stupid, I assume we're trading away something for the free money, since otherwise they wouldn't be trying to get us to sign. Guessing that it's reduced rights to sue if they blow up someone's house or poison our groundwater. But if they did that, I can't imagine we'd be able to get much anyway. The biggest issue is that there's not that much money in it to make it worth a lawyer's time to review, especially since it's not like we're negotiating it, it's just a yes or no. Are there some big things to keep an eye out for? How bad does this sound? Is the answer just a joint scream to get a consult from a local? It's a sucky time to try and get one done, but I probably know of a place or two.

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