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Gorelab posted:I still don't get the appeal of Reylo as like an actual thing, by the by. Like at least for the first two films being a conflicted guy on the side of Space Nazis is still a dude who's down with a lot of really horrid poo poo, even if you can understand why he is angry as poo poo at Luke/the Jedi et all. They're both super hot That's it and I'm gonna holler insanely hard during the makeout scene
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Donovan Trip posted:Disney shoots first drafts. Why? Because they work with IP that A) makes a billion dollars almost every time, and B) they reboot and retell everything. Don't worry, they'll do a proper Star Wars reboot in like 2035. Meanwhile they're going to bounce ideas off Disney+. That's pretty much any studio with an IP though. Sony rebooting Spider-Man, WB rebooting Batman and Joker. I fully expect the next 007 to quietly ignore the Craig films.
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Angry Salami posted:So, just got back. I am pissed about how they wasted Finn. I have heard literally nothing about Finn in the context of the movie except for right now, so I was not prepared for the character to be used well if at all. Looks like I was right. I agree with you. Finn and Poe were loving wasted on these movies.
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TulliusCicero posted:Rogue One could have been great if they spent any of the run time establishing the character's motivations and personalities at all, so we actually give a poo poo if they die, and not just "HERE'S YAVIN 4, TIE FIGHTERS!" I clapped, I clapped when I saw it!
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gschmidl posted:Never mind that they had to call Old Spock so he could explain why Khan was bad, because the movie had no idea how to bring that across. Nevermind there is no reason for Spock to even suspect Khan is a thing he could call Old Spock about H A C K
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TulliusCicero posted:This. She operated with a Rebel terrorist cell against the Empire for years. Give us that. Show us these characters' backstories It's not just that - the movie doesn't make sense without that background. Yeah Saw rescued her as a kid but why would he trust her if she just shows up out of the blue right as a bunch of important info gets dropped in his lap? The movie portrays him as Rebellion-Vader but more paranoid, he would just hook her up to his alien interrogation creature. How would the rebellion know that he rescued her as a kid in the first place? Why would Saw's crew capture her after the Battle for not-Algiers sequence rather than just killing her & Cassian for killing one of their guys and interfering with their ambush? Why would Galen Erso assume that his sending message to Saw would ensure that it would be seen by his daughter unless he knew that she was still running with Saw (and ostensibly as a high level Empire officer he would be able to find this out)? One of the failings of Rogue One is that we get a bunch of broad strokes exposition to try and flesh out these characters but it doesn't work because there's actually no connective tissue to link them together or make you really care. The sacrifices in the end kind of make up for the latter (even though no character in the main group talks to each other for more than like...5 minutes) but it's just obvious on a re-watch that Disney got spooked at the idea of their heroine being a terrorist and walked a lot of it back in the reshoots.
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Davros1 posted:That's pretty much any studio with an IP though. Sony rebooting Spider-Man, WB rebooting Batman and Joker. I fully expect the next 007 to quietly ignore the Craig films. Yeah exactly, but it rarely comes up in discussion with star wars, as if it's too sanctified to be rebooted when its owned by a studio that foundationally retells stories, not writes them. It's 100% going to happen and when the new phantom menace trailer stretches across screens or VR submersion tanks or whatever we're watching in the 2030s everyone is going to be happy to see it back. "it's been so long since Star wars!" They'll say, "they can get it right this time" Honestly I think the bones of the entire 9 movies are real good, especially the PT, just a lot of stiff acting and writing. There's so many easily corrected things, Disney isn't gonna leave those billions on the table but they'll make you wait for it this time.
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Pollyanna posted:I have heard literally nothing about Finn in the context of the movie except for right now, so I was not prepared for the character to be used well if at all. Looks like I was right. Honestly Poe didn't even need to be in the first film at all (which is way he was killed off at the beginning originally). I mean, Finn decides to leave the FO, and escapes in a ship, and guess what, he knows how to pilot a ship.
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Pollyanna posted:I have heard literally nothing about Finn in the context of the movie except for right now, so I was not prepared for the character to be used well if at all. Looks like I was right. Everyone is wasted. Rey spends most of her time being "Luke, but a girl", and the other times being a foil to Kylo Renn's angst about living up to big bad granddad? I don't get it. Po is Han 2.0 sometimes, and Finn is just there? Despite being the reason why Rey is doing poo poo in the first place? Why can't Finn and Rey both want to be Jedi? That would be neat. You can even have some conflict if one of them falls. The sad thing is there is something legitimately awesome about Rey as "a girl with no family who has nothing to do with the Skywalkers, and she has the potential to be a Jedi" that could have been awesome and interesting, but they loving waste it making her go beat for beat what Luke did. Her few interesting moments in TLJ are mostly Luke being a disillusioned mentor and Kylo trying to get her to turn and vice versa. They don't even give her her own lightsaber design It really feels like the trilogy, muddled as it is about Kylo's issues more than anything TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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TulliusCicero posted:It really feels like the trilogy, muddled as it is about Kylo's issues more than anything. Well of course - he's the white male character, isn't he?
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lmao They didn't put the Palpatine transmission in the actual movie but they put it in loving Fortnite https://youtu.be/0vHrQCKaJiQ?t=23
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OctoberCountry posted:lmao They didn't put the Palpatine transmission in the actual movie but they put it in loving Fortnite It's the most logical thing to do. It would be more weird if it was in film and not in fortnite
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Missed opportunity for a classic Palpatine laugh there. God I hate modern advertising.
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I'm not watching IX until it's free. So am I to understand that this trilogy decided to mirror its 1st and 3rd entries off of ANH and ROTJ, and giant poo poo in place of ESB?
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They should've shown the Palp-cast on screen and said that Leia died in the opening scroll.
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OctoberCountry posted:lmao They didn't put the Palpatine transmission in the actual movie but they put it in loving Fortnite This is amazing.
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Hopefully with the mods getting more strict about regressive speech they'll begin banning users who self own by calling TLJ a bad movie.
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Donovan Trip posted:Hopefully with the mods getting more strict about regressive speech they'll begin banning users who self own by calling TLJ a bad movie.
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The Human Crouton posted:I'm not watching IX until it's free. So am I to understand that this trilogy decided to mirror its 1st and 3rd entries off of ANH and ROTJ, and giant poo poo in place of ESB? 2nd mirrored ESB too, it just changed some stuff around in the order and then changed the outcome of what happened in the situations. Walker attack on base vs speeders is now at the end Yoda training section including the pupil going to the darkside place is framing the beginning of the movie more Pupil/hero leaves training and goes off to face the villain is not the final act Long extended space chase because hyperdrive can't happen basically frames everything now One group goes to find some charismatic rogue (gambler, too!) on a planet after leaving the chase sequence and is then captured is pretty much in the same spot The big thing TLJ is missing is the obligatory weird monster that is gonna eat you sequence. The only other movie without one I can remember is Episode 3. 4 had the garbage compactor monster 5 had the space worm 6 is the Rancor AND the Sarlaac 1 had the fish 2 had the gladiator fight 3 had ??? 7 has the dumb Han Solo ship things Rogue One has the Saw Psychic Brain Gobbly monster 8 had ??? 9 has whatever I guess, I heard there was something.
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If this place existed in 1978 there would propably be goons arguing that the holiday special is the best Star Wars installment too. E: Beaten by auto correct Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Combat Theory posted:If this place existed in 1978 there would propably be goons arguing that the hollywood special is the best Star Wars installment too. Nah, nobody argued that the Clone War movie was, which would probably be the parallel.
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"I love terrible things" is such a old cliche goon trope.
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What the gently caress was that weird slug thing in the falcon at the start that never really popped up again for the rest of the movie
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teagone posted:She is. She gives Chewie the medal they never gave him in A New Hope. FANSERVICE. If they knew anything about the fans they would know the fans know Chewie would never wear a medal or any non utility item of clothing because of religious reasons
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Combat Theory posted:If this place existed in 1978 there would propably be goons arguing that the holiday special is the best Star Wars installment too. You are the one that likes "Star Destroyer Porn: the Movie" my dude Like that's cool and all, but calling out others because they don't completely hate TLJ is pretty 
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Darko posted:2nd mirrored ESB too, it just changed some stuff around in the order and then changed the outcome of what happened in the situations.
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Combat Theory posted:Whats HITB? My guess Half in the bag by Red Letter Media, but this is Star Wars thread, it might be acronym to whatever
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TulliusCicero posted:I feel like Johnson at some point got hit by disney and the film's plot and ideas got changed hard, because the editing and pacing in TLJ is legit wierd. I honesy feel bad for Johnson and the writing staff, becaue Abrams left an incoherent and inconsistent mess for them to put the pieces together of to make anything resembling an overall arc for the trilogy, with no explanation or idea of how plot points connect or who some new characters even are It might have gotten messed with a little bit, but I'm inclined to believe that most of the thematic incoherency originates from Johnson himself, if only because similar issues cropped up in Looper when he had full creative control. And despite how bad a hand he was dealt, several of the worst decisions that TLJ made (starting off immediately after TFA, the details of the chase/mutiny plot, the absurd handling of child slaves) were done entirely on his own volition. For all his talk of subverting surface-level expectations, Johnson possesses the same ideological commitment to contemporary liberalism that results in the sort of thematic contradictions that ultimately show up on Crait: ideological sacrifice isn't as important as personal survival, entrenched authority should be respected even as they become increasingly incapable of effective governance, and that the moral righteousness of one's cause makes all material losses irrelevant. This doesn't mean that he is incapable of making good films, just that his specific form of "risk-taking" was entirely compatible with the studio's vison to the extent that it would never truly challenge what it was presenting, or even rise to the level of what the Lucas films were able to say. The only point where I could see major studio interference would be separarting Finn and Poe due to homophobia, but that separation doesn't entail changing the thematic thrust of those scenes, and I don't think Johnson is being insincere when he claims that Rose allows him to better realize those. I think the primary revisionist force in RoS comes from Abrams' personal distaste for the previous film's characterization choices. And while I agree that this is less interesting (by a matter of marginal degrees), I'm having a hard time pointing to any specific ideological position it actually walks back on that TLJ didn't already do during it's runtime. The roots of this problem come from the fundamental vision of how Disney treats its own properties, but that doesn't mean we should give any of the individuals down the chain a pass; they're happily complicit in this standard themselves.
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I said come in! posted:This is a super cringy tweet, and really not at all true. "I mean, it would be better if we had the 400 or so people who died in the past couple of hours but yeah. Everything we need."
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Frankston posted:What the gently caress was that weird slug thing in the falcon at the start that never really popped up again for the rest of the movie The rathtar in tfa? I saw jack Allison post that that's where tfa nosedives and never recovers (maz castle right after) and he's right
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Necrothatcher posted:It's kinda weird that the Star Wars producers come down super hard on some directors messing with the formula while also not giving a poo poo about working out the basic plot of their big trilogy. Disney's interest in Star Wars is theme parks and merchandise, not movies. The movies are just commercials. The MCU is only slightly different since Kevin Feige has always been a Marvel fanboy and has gained a lot of pull at Disney over the years.
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