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I think star wars movie quality is inversely proportional with the amount of lightsabers in it. This is why prequels really sucked and Rogue One was pretty good.
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Dec 19, 2019 20:55
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Just go see Parasite if you haven't already, gently caress
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Dec 19, 2019 21:11
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Squashing Machine posted:Just go see Parasite if you haven't already, gently caress No thanks! That was a bad movie too! All of these losers are suddenly master conmen? Jumping conflicts everywhere? I don't see why people liked it. Sometimes I don't like a movie, but I get why people liked it... Parasite was a trash movie that was poorly acted and had bad writing. Imma go get my old man cane now and tell kids to get off my lawn.
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Dec 19, 2019 21:14
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Squashing Machine posted:Just go see Parasite if you haven't already, gently caress I really want to see Parasite because Snowpiercer loving owns. One of these days, for sure.
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Dec 19, 2019 21:16
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An Ounce of Gold posted:No thanks! That was a bad movie too! All of these losers are suddenly master conmen? Jumping conflicts everywhere? I don't see why people liked it. Sometimes I don't like a movie, but I get why people liked it... Parasite was a trash movie that was poorly acted and had bad writing. star wars Cough Drop The Beat posted:I really want to see Parasite because Snowpiercer loving owns. One of these days, for sure. It's funny, because I loved Parasite despite not liking Snowpiercer very much. Parasite doesn't have stunt-casted American actors and the class friction at the movie's center isn't as simplistic as "back of train good front of train bad"
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Dec 19, 2019 21:23
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The Host is great, Snowpiercer is rad, Okja is heartbreaking, Bong Joon Ho is great at making movies
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Dec 19, 2019 21:26
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Kazak posted:The Host is great, Snowpiercer is rad, Okja is heartbreaking, Bong Joon Ho is great at making movies 
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Dec 19, 2019 21:33
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Could someone spoil how the billion star destroyers get destroyed and every single first order/remnant/empire whatever soldier gets killed so the threat is ended forever, when the opposing force is thirty people with no spaceships.
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Dec 19, 2019 21:35
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Snowpiercer makes no loving sense at all, but it makes up for that by worldbuilding, and it is a cool movie by contrast, [something about the new trilogy]
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Dec 19, 2019 21:38
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Torquemada posted:Could someone spoil how the billion star destroyers get destroyed and every single first order/remnant/empire whatever soldier gets killed so the threat is ended forever, when the opposing force is thirty people with no spaceships. This time they get help from other worlds because Lando and Chewie asked nicely, or something Evil General Sir Moustache-Twirl even asks where did the ships come from since they didn't have a military force and the adjutant says "They're just people with ships!" But surely the entirety of the bad guys' forces weren't there, so I guess they destroyed them all on the way, since everyone celebrates like they won the war? I guess you're not meant to think about it too much
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Dec 19, 2019 21:40
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so like privateers with letters of marque from the republic? that would actually be a cool thing and fit with the "war weary republic doesn't even want to do a star war anymore" theme that they hint at in TFA and actually do world building around in the mandalorian.
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Dec 19, 2019 21:45
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TeaJay posted:I guess you're not meant to think about it too much I’m simply flabbergasted.
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Dec 19, 2019 21:46
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Torquemada posted:Could someone spoil how the billion star destroyers get destroyed and every single first order/remnant/empire whatever soldier gets killed so the threat is ended forever, when the opposing force is thirty people with no spaceships. A 4 year-old boy gets into an x-wing and says "What does this button do" and then that autopilots the x-wing through all of the star destroyers and blows them all up Coming soon to a Disney experience near you!
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Dec 19, 2019 21:47
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Moola posted:I'm just gonna go on pretending Kyle Katarn stole the death star plans by shooting hundreds of storm troopers, and that the sequel "trilogy" is a hosed up vision luke has while meditating Kyle Katarn is slightly off camera killing hundreds of troopers while the main characters in Rogue One are climbing a stack of e-books. He's walking away whistling with the death star plans under his arm while whats-her-name beams Darth Vader's entire collection of wookie porn up to the rebel ships Colonel Cancer posted:I think star wars movie quality is inversely proportional with the amount of lightsabers in it. This is why prequels really sucked and Rogue One was pretty good. Hmm, no though because ESB is the best Star Wars movie and you'd have to be arguing that Rogue One is better than ANH which is also wrong. A lightsaber showing up at the end of Solo did make the entire experience worse, though, and AotC is the worst movie in the franchise so there's something to this theory
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Dec 19, 2019 21:49
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Rogue One is even more pandering than TFA and had no interesting characters and lifeless action scenes. The space battle in Rogue One is not better than the Space Battle in Jedi. Rogue One had a gratuitous Vader as Jason Voorhees with a lightsaber scene as a the literal cumshot equivalent of the last 30 minutes of the movie which is best described simply as Star Wars porn Randarkman fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 22:05
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Rogue One was not good.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:11
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To the person in one of these Star Wars threads that asked whether the movie ends with Rey holding her yellow lightsaber downward from her hip and asking someone "hey does it look like I'm taking a piss lol", I just wanna say thanks. I only chuckled a little when I first read it last night, but it keeps popping up in my head every so often today and gets funnier every time and now I don't think I will ever NOT think of that scenario whenever I see that yellow lightsaber. I'd quote the post but I can't seem to find it!
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Dec 19, 2019 22:12
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Randarkman posted:Rogue One is even more pandering than TFA and had no interesting characters and lifeless action scenes.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:12
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Randarkman posted:Rogue One is even more pandering than TFA and had no interesting characters and lifeless action scenes. The only thing I remember from Rogue One's ending battle is that two big ships collide with each other and while it was a neat sequence with good effects, Star Trek already did it like twice so it was kind of like eh.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:14
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The Vader scene in Rogue One owns, it shows you could make an awesome horror movie in that universe and it also shows how loving scary Vader is/ should be.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:26
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Just Chamber posted:The Vader scene in Rogue One owns, it shows you could make an awesome horror movie in that universe and it also shows how loving scary Vader is/ should be.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:33
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Just Chamber posted:The Vader scene in Rogue One owns, it shows you could make an awesome horror movie in that universe and it also shows how loving scary Vader is/ should be.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:35
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I did not like the Vader scene, and I will tell you why and how I would fix it: Since we don't know anything about these bucket heads, it is very easy for the scene to read as not horror but power fantasy. Because the only character the audience has any individual investment in is Vader. In a general sense of course we should be rooting for the bucketheads to get the data tapes where they need to go, but we need a character we're more invested in for the scene to land as true horror/terror. The fix is easy: You're already kill off the whole cast left, right and center, just move the pieces around to get one of them in position to be the last man in the relay who gets run through. I mean even the main characters aren't the best realized, but we have more reason to care about them than Rebel Fleet Trooper #6.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:37
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Just Chamber posted:The Vader scene in Rogue One owns, it shows you could make an awesome horror movie in that universe and it also shows how loving scary Vader is/ should be. People who say the Vader scenes are gratuitous pandering have no idea what they're talking about because Rogue One has the best prequel depiction of the character by far. ANH Vader is a literal horror movie monster who strikes fear into allies and enemies alike with his imposing presence and body language alone. Rogue One expands on this by giving him a super rad spooky Sith castle and then he murders an entire ship of Rebels in seconds. But I assume all of you haters have either no understanding of Darth Vader as a character and/or haven't seen ANH in many years. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 22:46
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so the movie ends with picard bringing peace to the galaxy, right?
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Dec 19, 2019 22:47
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Yeah but they have to drop a bridge on Sheeve first.
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Dec 19, 2019 22:47
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Darth Vader looks cool. I understand that this a controversial opinion.
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DemoneeHo posted:so the movie ends with picard bringing peace to the galaxy, right? The great mediator.
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I don't expect any kind of meaningful LGBTQ representation from star wars or any other disney properties. The most that will ever be shown is token gays making flirty eye contact in a 2 second shot that can easily be censored out for countries that pretend gay people don't exist. So i was a little surprised when i heard that TROS has a gay kiss that wasn't edited out for china. Maybe it could be the start of movies having important characters being openly queer and furthermore- https://twitter.com/falldogs/status/1207589117980229633 lol
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Dec 19, 2019 22:51
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Wild Horses posted:Also relating to Rey : I would’ve liked her character if the story ever engaged with the fact she’s a violent psycho, basically as socialized as a feral child in a Somalian war zone. She’s always reacting violently to any situation that arises (beats up Finn, murders troopers in cold blood with their backs turned, sucker punches luke and draws a saber when she loses etc) and is monstrously powerful to a ridiculous degree. This would have been way better, with Luke's big revelation being that the Jedi protect the galaxy from the Force. Because sadbrains, Hitlers, and feral kids are going to keep showing up with loving super powers and somebody needs to deal with it.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:01
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:People who say the Vader scenes are gratuitous pandering have no idea what they're talking about because Rogue One has the best prequel depiction of the character by far. ANH Vader is a literal horror movie monster who strikes fear into allies and enemies alike with his imposing presence and body language alone. Rogue One expands on this by giving him a super rad spooky Sith castle and then he murders an entire ship of Rebels in seconds. Also notable imo is that Vader's power in that scene is displayed in the classic Star Wars style. It's mostly skill with a saber, with some powerful but not absurd force moves mixed in. He's basically unstoppable, but he can be delayed. The troopers in his way slow him down, which is the whole point, even if they don't pose a real threat. If that scene were in the prequels or the sequels, he would just stroll in and launch a kamehameha wave, killing every trooper instantly, blowing the blast door open, and nearly rupturing the ship's hull. Maybe he would flick his saber at something for fun.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:03
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The Vader poo poo in Rogue One is gratuitous pandering and I dont think that post says what you think. Rogue One did with Vader what the prequels did with lightsabers.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxL8bVJhXCM Just rewatched it. I think it's still horror in the vein of slasher films like Friday 13th etc, we're not invested in the characters in those movies at all (until maybe the final girl) and they might as well just be nameless faceless teens/ rebels if we continue the analogy, yet we still get the sense of terror from what they must be experiencing dealing with this slow, menacing, unkillable monster, even if we know they're going to die and are partly cheering for Jason. Plus of course it's shot very much like a horror flick. You're right though that it isn't true horror, that it's also supposed to be a COOL moment so we can geek out at how powerful Vader is and that it would have been pretty terrifying if say Jyn Erso had escaped, she's on the ship sending those plans and the audience think the fight is won, the lights go out and you just hear that heavy breathing with a shot of her terrified face as over her shoulder you see the red saber ignite. Mandalorian kinda did something similar with the prison episode last week with the bad guys being trapped on the ship and Mando picking them off one by one, it was fairly effective. The new Star Wars game Jedi Fallen Order does something like this: You're this Jedi Padawan throughout the story who goes on to eventually become a Knight, you fight Sith Inquisitors in duels (basically dark jedi) and kill them and you dispatch Stormtroopers with ease, it's a massive power fantasy, you beat the final boss who's this strong Sith and then Vader shows up and just wrecks your poo poo, like you cant get near him or land a blow on him and you just have to run away as he walks after you, if you stop you die. Also another thing i liked about the Rogue One Vader scene is he's just doing what he normally does in the OT, but against people he actually wants to kill (unlike Luke who he toys with), he's slowly plodding along like an older man, he isn't doing flips and poo poo, they didn't ninja him up for the movies, he's just blocking blasters, flicking his hand to throw a dude, pulling guns out of hands and slashing grunts. It's not like that fan film a while back where they redid the Obi Wan/ Vader fight and had him moving in ways he just shouldnt.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:But I assume all of you haters have either no understanding of Darth Vader as a character and/or haven't seen ANH in many years. Ah yes, the movie where literally no one is afraid of the *checks notes* literal horror movie monster, not even the guy that gets magically choked by him, and where he spends most of the time talking to an old British dude, barely manages to kill another old British dude after he gives up, then gets sent flying out into space while shouting "WHAT".
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Dec 19, 2019 23:12
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"Vader strikes mortal fear into all and sundry" isn't really that accurate. Some manlet moff sasses him in front of everybody in ANH and Tarkin's more exasperated than anything when Vader retaliates. He's just muscle and while there's value to showing muscle acting muscular, people aren't wrong to describe the Rogue One sequence as kinda masturbatory
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Dec 19, 2019 23:14
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Owlbear Camus posted:I did not like the Vader scene, and I will tell you why and how I would fix it: You're right but also you're wrong. A good horror scene does not need to contain a protagonist that the audience knows better than the antagonist. Take the beginning of Scream as a good example, the audience has absolutely no connection to any of the characters yet but this is a great horror scene regardless. Or take practically any big-name horror franchise where you have more individual investment in the murderer (e.g. Jason, Freddy, etc) than the victims. What matters is everything else in the scene. The failing door in a darkened hallway, the frightened looks on a group of soldiers who look like they're certain that they are about to die, and then Vader simply appearing as though he had been there the entire time in the darkness; these are all callbacks to classic 1980s horror movie tropes. The power fantasy elements come after that, when everyone opens fire on Vader. But Vader is basically just Jason Voorhees in this scene, he is an unstoppable force of murderous intent. It's definitely power fantasy by that point, but it's not unusual for horror scenes to also include power fantasies. The lighting continues to be horror-themed and the soldiers continue to act like characters in a horror movie. A dude even trips over the doorway while running away in a panic, it's all standard horror stuff. Obviously Disney wasn't like "put a horror scene in this movie". They definitely wanted a Darth Vader power fantasy because that's going to be more exciting for the audience. But it's still shot like a horror scene and that's pretty neat
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Just Chamber posted:[. It's not like that fan film a while back where they redid the Obi Wan/ Vader fight and had him moving in ways he just shouldnt. We may not agree on a lot in the star war thread but i hope we all agree anyone who thought that poo poo was cool, let alone how the scene should be "enhanced" in the actual film is a nerve stapled dipshit. People have shown it to me expecting me to be excited as a fellow star war guy and the best i can do is a diplomatic wan "they clearly put a lot of effort into it!"
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What, did they breakdance?
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Randarkman posted:The Vader poo poo in Rogue One is gratuitous pandering and I dont think that post says what you think. "Gratuitous pandering" is meaningless over-the-top action and other elements in a movie purely to grab fanboy/fangirl attention, like what AotC does with 10 billion Jedi pointlessly wielding lightsabers or TFA with pretty much any of the Millennium Falcon scenes. They don't add much of anything to the movie besides eye candy (and even that is probably false with AotC) and are there to sell tickets with cool trailer cuts. While Rogue One is the exact opposite with Vader. His scenes absolutely have a strong purpose in expanding on Vader's mystique and complimenting his iconic mythology from the OT, ANH especially. Maybe you disliked how Rogue treated Vader, but that doesn't mean it was gratuitous just because it wasn't your thing.
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Randarkman posted:The Vader poo poo in Rogue One is gratuitous pandering and I dont think that post says what you think. Naw, i mean i agree it's pandering because it is kinda just tacted onto the end(disagree it's gratuitous and literally most of Star Wars post Disney is this, and this was one of the times it was done well imo) but disagree it hosed up Vader like the overuse of lightsabers in the prequels. I'd compare it to how the prequels hosed over Yoda and how this was done well. Seeing Vader kill some random no nothing Rebels doesn't detract from his mystique or anything like how the prequels hosed up Yoda by making him a mini lightsaber using backflipping gremlin. We know OT Vader has all the abilities shown at the end of Rogue One, he uses them at different times against our protagonists but never just against random people so we never really feel fear for the heroes he's facing, and a key component of Vader is he strikes fear into the alliance. Now Yoda doing what he did in AOTC is poo poo because in the OT we learn he's supposed to be this super powerful Jedi master but we dont know why, and in the prequels we could just assume he's powerful in the force, or super knowledgeable, instead it's this but also because he's a master at lightsaber ninjitsu and it's lovely because it's adding something new to the character that wasn't needed. Yoda should be above needing to stab Stormtroopers. Vader is the emperors's brute so it kinda works if we see him just murdering people, that's his day to day job. If you're debating whether it adds anything new to the character of Vader, or if it's necessary then nope but many fun or cool things in movies aren't needed, it's a little flair that was added on and works fairly well.
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