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Also doesn't Turkey actually have a good army? If the heads of the IDF decide to kick some country about I'm sure it'll be something much weaker.
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By popular demand posted:Also doesn't Turkey actually have a good army? If the heads of the IDF decide to kick some country about I'm sure it'll be something much weaker. This precise conversation is going on in the Turkish army as well regarding Israel.
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By popular demand posted:Also doesn't Turkey actually have a good army? If the heads of the IDF decide to kick some country about I'm sure it'll be something much weaker. At least on paper. It has suffered from Erdogan purging it of all the officers who were deemed potentially dangerous (for example, by being competent and/or popular with the troops), so who knows how good it actually is now.
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I sure hope we don't end up with open warfare between Israel and what is still, technically, a NATO member.
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Turkey has pissed off: -Greece (also a NATO member) -Israel -Egypt -Cyprus And has on their side: -A fraction of Libya Don't think Israel would have much to worry about diplomatically on this one. Hell you'd have an All Star Abrahamic Team up of Jews, Christians and Muslims to take down the dread Turk. Nice publicity spin on that.
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Grape posted:Turkey has pissed off: Turkey didn't piss off cyprus, they merely illegally annexed half of it.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Turkey didn't piss off cyprus, they merely illegally annexed half of it. To be fair, it was to stop Greece (a fascist military dictatorship at the time which actually ended due to the pressure from the war with Turkey) from illegally annexing the whole of it, not just to be dicks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_intercommunal_violence#Crisis_of_1963%E2%80%931964 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Cypriot_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enosis Obviously they are being the bigger dicks about the unification now.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Turkey didn't piss off cyprus, they merely illegally annexed half of it. They're pissing them off further. DarkCrawler posted:To be fair, it was to stop Greece (a fascist military dictatorship at the time which actually ended due to the pressure from the war with Turkey) from illegally annexing the whole of it, not just to be dicks. You're leaving out some rather important details that establish they were also enormous horrific dicks back then too. 
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Dec 19, 2019 01:44
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love that The Forward is running hit pieces on bernie being anitsemitic. what poo poo rag
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American Jewish media is hilariously lovely though as bad as the Forward is, I think they have yet to top the Tablet piece slamming Holocaust survivors as villainous scum who were asking for it https://mobile.twitter.com/ericuman/status/225363256636751873
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Main Paineframe posted:American Jewish media is hilariously lovely holy poo poo that's worth a click
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we've only got a few years left to get in our shoah takes before the survivors aren't here to read them!
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Main Paineframe posted:American Jewish media is hilariously lovely Holy loving poo poo that is bananas. You have to click that link it is so goddamn out there. Enormously vile stuff. That loving Tablet article posted:I wondered if anyone had alerted Hitler that in the event that the final solution didn’t pan out, only the handful of Jews who actually fulfilled the stereotype of the Judenscheisse (because every group has a few) would remain to carry on the Jewish race—conniving, indestructible, taking and taking. 
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Ogmius815 posted:Holy loving poo poo that is bananas. You have to click that link it is so goddamn out there. Enormously vile stuff. yeah the We Had It Coming school of Likudnik thought is a fascinating study in cultural pathology. you can see how the chain of logic works. we must reforge ourselves as a people, casting out all of what made us weak and victimlike, including any inexplicable taboos against "committing genocide ourselves." it's part of why you see Netanyahu's kids gleefully throwing around what anyone in the west would call antisemitic poo poo; they understand that the subject of those isn't ISRAELI jews. Israelis are a new people, to whom none of those old slurs apply. unlike those scum in the diaspora who have yet to bring themselves to the place where you've gotta sterilize the untermenschen to preserve Israeli purity.
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Literally dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed.
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Am I illiterate, because that read like "Hitler's greatest crime was inadvertently making all the lies he told about German Jews come true like they are today"
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You are illiterate in Bullshit. The statement is clearly: I'm a horrible monster and I'm looking for excuses for hurting people.
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By popular demand posted:You are illiterate in Bullshit.
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VitalSigns posted:Am I illiterate, because that read like "Hitler's greatest crime was inadvertently making all the lies he told about German Jews come true like they are today" To me it reads more like "only some Jews are scheming traitors like Hitler thought they were, but he didn't realize that if his extermination program failed to kill all the Jews, then clearly the wily and conniving ones he railed against would be the ones most likely to survive and avoid death". Which is absolutely loving bonkers.
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Main Paineframe posted:To me it reads more like "only some Jews are scheming traitors like Hitler thought they were, but he didn't realize that if his extermination program failed to kill all the Jews, then clearly the wily and conniving ones he railed against would be the ones most likely to survive and avoid death". Which is absolutely loving bonkers. This is my reading also.
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I'm not quite sure how that's different from what I thought it said, either way they're saying that the Nazi propaganda about German Jews which was mostly false in 1934 is mostly true now (because Hitler inadvertently artificially selected for them)
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:yeah the We Had It Coming school of Likudnik thought is a fascinating study in cultural pathology. you can see how the chain of logic works. we must reforge ourselves as a people, casting out all of what made us weak and victimlike, including any inexplicable taboos against "committing genocide ourselves." It's Israeli Man vs Diaspora Boy.
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i like this but whats up with the islamophobic caricature at the end, its hard to tell to what extent that is a joke
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I've heard about rocket attacks my entire life and I kept wondering how they managed to build and hide Katyushas or the equivalent with Israel probably watching every inch of Palestine 24 hours a day. But it turns out the rockets are just beefed up fireworks basically? Also I saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQ6uxQSL3U He's throwing out so many names I can't really check all of them. But he's so drat smug that I'm surprised anyone paid to have this done in the first place. Couldn't they have given the script to just anyone else?
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:i like this but whats up with the islamophobic caricature at the end, its hard to tell to what extent that is a joke The entire comic is a parody of how the Israeli supremacists see themselves and the world, so how else could muslims be portrayed? Basically this is one of the rare examples where it actually is real satire.
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Katt posted:I've heard about rocket attacks my entire life and I kept wondering how they managed to build and hide Katyushas or the equivalent with Israel probably watching every inch of Palestine 24 hours a day. But it turns out the rockets are just beefed up fireworks basically? They're literally powered with piss. This is the threat that requires dumping white phosporous on schools to keep under control.
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Orange Devil posted:They're literally powered with piss. I don't think the rockets that reach Tel Aviv are powered with piss.
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Argas posted:It doesn't help that beyond outright violence, there's still tons of poo poo like https://twitter.com/justin_halpern/status/1206707950737219589 read the rest of the thread, duder
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Ultramega posted:https://twitter.com/justin_halpern/status/1206707950737219589 read the rest of the thread, duder Doesn't really make it any better
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It doesn't make it better or worse; it makes negative reactions to it understandably toothless.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Debate & Discussion > Israel/Palestine 2020: You are illiterate in Bullshit
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Ultramega posted:It doesn't make it better or worse; it makes negative reactions to it understandably toothless. lol at how naive this is
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really constructive, thanks Permit some qualifications here; it's totally understandable to have a very strong reaction to something that could be read as racism. But when you have a person who was intimately involved with the creation and management of the show clarify things, then acting like you still have some sort of unchecked grievance seems really performative. https://twitter.com/xeIphaar/status/1206712696307097601 like, is it beyond the pale to call this person a loving crybaby? Sorry! Ultramega fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 22, 2019 |
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All they're saying is 'half the creators are Jews here' not 'here's why this isn't anti-semitic'. Stephen Miller is Jewish, does that somehow make the alt-right movement any less anti-semitic?
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Zanzibar Ham posted:All they're saying is 'half the creators are Jews here' not 'here's why this isn't anti-semitic'. Stephen Miller is Jewish, does that somehow make the alt-right movement any less anti-semitic? this is loving sophistry.
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Ultramega posted:this is loving sophistry. No it's not. They should have known better than to make Penguin Jewish and throw in all the negative stereotypes they could think of into the mix.
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No it's sophistry because you're using the fact that the entirety of the writing staff or whoever aren't all jews, therefore implicitly allowing the possibility of antisemitic stereotypes to work their way into the show which is demonstrably not true. Again, I'm not saying "you don't get to be mad about this", i'm saying "this ain't it, chief."
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That isn't at all what I said, even if 100% of the staff were Jews, making Penguin Jewish and putting in all the negative stereotypes they could think of for a laugh would be terrible and make the work anti-semitic.
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