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bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Elblanco posted:

No, I just felt like I was missing something, especially now that I've failed to inspect the corpse 4 times now.

I'm getting a better feel for it now and I've been following other leads and I'm getting sucked into the world now. Just gotta find my loving gun.

I played this game for forty hours trying to pass as many white checks as I could

I did not find my loving gun

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Elblanco posted:

No, I just felt like I was missing something, especially now that I've failed to inspect the corpse 4 times now.

I'm getting a better feel for it now and I've been following other leads and I'm getting sucked into the world now. Just gotta find my loving gun.

Did you internalise the getting your poo poo together thought? You have to equip the thought to get the effect from it

Elblanco
May 26, 2008

Fangz posted:

Did you internalise the getting your poo poo together thought? You have to equip the thought to get the effect from it

Yup, failed that, then leveled up, put s point in endurance and failed again!

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Elblanco posted:

No, I just felt like I was missing something, especially now that I've failed to inspect the corpse 4 times now.

I'm getting a better feel for it now and I've been following other leads and I'm getting sucked into the world now. Just gotta find my loving gun.

There's no shame in save scumming on something like that, it's one of the big flaws in the game

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Elblanco posted:

Yup, failed that, then leveled up, put s point in endurance and failed again!

No, I mean, did you equip it in the thought cabinet, and wait the requisite time for it to fully internalise?

Elblanco
May 26, 2008

Fangz posted:

No, I mean, did you equip it in the thought cabinet, and wait the requisite time for it to fully internalise?

Yea, took me a bit to figure out how that worked but I finished it.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

Fuzz posted:

Yeah but Evrart is so scummy and his VA is so smarmy that he just comes across as slimy. It's hilariously on the nose the way a Union leader is a mobster scumbag and so fat and lazy that he has his minions carry him around like a modern emperor, so all his overtures about socialism feel more like lip service and a filthy politician pulling a fast one on people than a guy who genuinely cares about anything other than himself and getting what he wants. Joyce is far more personable and relatable.

It really sucks because I'm playing a Socialist on my first playthrough but I really don't want to help Evrart because he's a loving manipulative scumbag.

He is incredibly corrupt and slimy, but he's also intentionally putting on a show to manipulate you and Joyce. He's genuinely building socialism, just not in a decorous fashion.

Joyce is also acting and manipulating you, but in a different way. No matter how nice she is, she's still a bloodless capitalist who puts corporations first.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Skellybones posted:

He is incredibly corrupt and slimy, but he's also intentionally putting on a show to manipulate you and Joyce. He's genuinely building socialism, just not in a decorous fashion.

Joyce is also acting and manipulating you, but in a different way. No matter how nice she is, she's still a bloodless capitalist who puts corporations first.


it's this, exactly

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Skellybones posted:

He is incredibly corrupt and slimy, but he's also intentionally putting on a show to manipulate you and Joyce. He's genuinely building socialism, just not in a decorous fashion.

Joyce is also acting and manipulating you, but in a different way. No matter how nice she is, she's still a bloodless capitalist who puts corporations first.


She doesn't put the corporation first though, in the end.

Promethium
Dec 31, 2009
Dinosaur Gum
One of the more telling differences between the two personalities is that Joyce visits the fishing village and is glad that it still exists in the peaceful state it was when she was young, while Evrart can't wait to get rid of it in favor of new developments. And then it's a choice your own character has to make.

In general I like the way they're written because it is essential to a critique of an all-encompassing system to show that its problems are systemic and not solvable merely by putting more well-meaning people in charge. There's a lot of fiction that's content with making the baron/priest/capitalist overtly greedy and evil but fail to address the bigger picture.

bobtheconqueror
May 10, 2005

Arrhythmia posted:

She doesn't put the corporation first though, in the end.

Yup, she's a traitorous Ultra, so of course she'd turn tail as soon as there's real trouble.. That said, I think she's pretty cool.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Arrhythmia posted:

She doesn't put the corporation first though, in the end.

she does though, because she calculates the PR fallout for gunning down strikers would be a higher cost to the company than losing one dock.

however, she got played by ervart because ervart knows the success of the strike will instigate more worker takeovers across the city (theres a shivers (i think) check talking about how news of the strike's success inspires similar ones in other parts of revachol). his plan was to convince her that the cost of folding would be only one dock rather than many. he made her think that by acting like a thug and fitting in the frame of "corrupt backwater mob boss"

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Thankfully he's a piece of poo poo a few months away from being royally hosed, because he attracted the attention of psychotic, and possibly psychic, detective.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Joyce is absolutely living her best Shadowrun Villain life.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









DropsySufferer posted:

I snipped and copied Joyce's conversation about the world directly from the game this time. That wiki snippet I used earlier was only a small part a crappy copy of the text by hand.


Reading this again I now think the world of DE is actually the inside of a disco ball. Viewing the world from the inside --sideways...


:pusheen:

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?

wiegieman posted:

Joyce is absolutely living her best Shadowrun Villain life.
Speaking of which, my first thought upon finding out about Klaajse's real line of work was "ooh, a shadowrunner."

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Rogue AI Goddess posted:

Speaking of which, my first thought upon finding out about Klaajse's real line of work was "ooh, a shadowrunner."

considering that the devs of this game are clearly tabletop gamers I would say that there is definitely some conceptual omage there

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Stuck at the dumb Feld billboard because I failed the Shivers check. I'm already at max Physique so it's capped out and can't be increased. You can go around and do other things to increase your modifiers, but I think you can't actually retry a check unless you increase the skill itself - which obviously I can't do. Do I need to savescum?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Go do other quests.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

freebooter posted:

Stuck at the dumb Feld billboard because I failed the Shivers check. I'm already at max Physique so it's capped out and can't be increased. You can go around and do other things to increase your modifiers, but I think you can't actually retry a check unless you increase the skill itself - which obviously I can't do. Do I need to savescum?

If you take the relevant drug it allows you to drop an extra point in the skill

Snake Maze
Jul 13, 2016

3.85 Billion years ago
  • Having seen the explosion on the moon, the Devil comes to Venus

freebooter posted:

Stuck at the dumb Feld billboard because I failed the Shivers check. I'm already at max Physique so it's capped out and can't be increased. You can go around and do other things to increase your modifiers, but I think you can't actually retry a check unless you increase the skill itself - which obviously I can't do. Do I need to savescum?

Checks will sometimes reset when you do other things that give you a positive modifier for them. The shivers check there, specifically, resets after every bonus you get for it, so you can retry after each sidequest in the area (iirc the dialogue will even nudge you towards it once you finish the quest)

Nastyman
Jul 11, 2007

There they sit
at the foot of the mountain
Taking hits
of the sacred smoke
Fire rips at their lungs
Holy mountain take us away

thecluckmeme posted:

I played this game for forty hours trying to pass as many white checks as I could

I did not find my loving gun

Finished the game last night and never did find mine either. I know I could ask Evrart for help but like someone mentioned he came off as too much of a mob boss so every single thing he offered me I threw back in his face, even the :fivecbux:

Then I met the Mega-rich-light-bending-guy and he gave me 100 rèal :woop:

Nastyman fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Dec 20, 2019

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.
https://twitter.com/TheTimoAlbert/status/1207989648112394240

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011
post the thought catalogue art you cowards!!!

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Oct 21, 2011


Rogue AI Goddess posted:

Speaking of which, my first thought upon finding out about Klaajse's real line of work was "ooh, a shadowrunner."

holy gently caress

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Wow I figured this was fake. Every other choice is obvious crowd pleasers

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Arrhythmia posted:

post the thought catalogue art you cowards!!!

This

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Shear Modulus posted:

she does though, because she calculates the PR fallout for gunning down strikers would be a higher cost to the company than losing one dock.

however, she got played by ervart because ervart knows the success of the strike will instigate more worker takeovers across the city (theres a shivers (i think) check talking about how news of the strike's success inspires similar ones in other parts of revachol). his plan was to convince her that the cost of folding would be only one dock rather than many. he made her think that by acting like a thug and fitting in the frame of "corrupt backwater mob boss"


Nice, this helps me understand his character more. I wonder whether going lib/moralist made my interactions with Joyce more prominent since I felt like Evart was too elusive to get a handle on (obviously this is intentional) and I wanted to delve more into him.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011

mastershakeman posted:

Wow I figured this was fake. Every other choice is obvious crowd pleasers
Yep, real article and all.
(Time's full picks for others' quick reference are:)

quote:

Grand Theft Auto V (2013)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)
Fortnite (2017)
Dark Souls (2011)
League of Legends (2009)
Pokémon Go (2016)
Minecraft (2009)
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011)
Portal 2 (2011)
Disco Elysium (2019)

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Every day the thought cabinet art goes uncommoditized I question za/um's commitment to free market hustle a little bit more

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

I don't know. They liberate pretty hard.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Anyone have the picture of the 7 or so political choices lined up to Bernie, kamala, Tulsi etc?

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund
Kamala is the Fascist Cop.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Fuzz posted:

Kamala is the Fascist Cop.

It's a picture with dialogue choices of grind up bone of workers, grind of bones of bosses (Bernie), not sure but can we have nationalism (Tulsi), some other stuff. Can't recall where i saw it

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Mods change thread title to say game of the decade. Keep it that way for the duration of the coming decade as well

Serf
May 5, 2011


mastershakeman posted:

Anyone have the picture of the 7 or so political choices lined up to Bernie, kamala, Tulsi etc?

bobtheconqueror
May 10, 2005

Nastyman posted:

Finished the game last night and never did find mine either. I know I could ask Evrart for help but like someone mentioned he came off as too much of a mob boss so every single thing he offered me I threw back in his face, even the :fivecbux:

Then I met the Mega-rich-light-bending-guy and he gave me 100 rèal :woop:

So, I spent a substantial portion of the early game thinking that Cunoesse had my gun, because the pawn shop guy said the person who bought it was scary and kept saying pigs, and Evrart implied some kids might have it..

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


bobtheconqueror posted:

So, I spent a substantial portion of the early game thinking that Cunoesse had my gun, because the pawn shop guy said the person who bought it was scary and kept saying pigs, and Evrart implied some kids might have it..

I think that's an intentional red herring.

ha

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Mr. Lobe posted:

I think that's an intentional red herring.

ha

He's not giving you a hint, he's just twisting the knife over losing your gun.

"Why, it might be in the hands of a child! Whatever happens to them would be all your fault!"

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MonstrousMouse
Apr 15, 2014
https://imgur.com/DXtBSEP

When does this happen? I did a high-PSY playthrough, investing in those exact skills, but I still managed to miss it somehow.

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