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One of my monitors has hit the power on hours timer limit, apparently HP didn't expect them to last this long. The other one is at 97389 hours, so pretty close to rolling the counter over too.
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Well, atleast the timers in those don't cause catastrophic loss of data. HP had a thing not too long ago where their enterprise SSDs would catastrophically fail after ~3.75-ish years of uptime. On the dot. Full on unrecoverable data loss after hitting 32,768 hours of use. ( https://www.techpowerup.com/261560/hp-enterprise-ssd-firmware-bug-causes-them-to-fail-at-32-768-hours-of-use-fix-released )
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why don't you ever turn your monitors off i turn mine off every night, but i'm a cheap bastard
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I never turn mine off but I do let them go to sleep. Do the HP’s count sleep time?
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Star Man posted:I just tuck the wire down my shirt. People said the same when Apple released a computer without floppy drive and when they removed serial/parallel for USB. Sure, some of these connectors have a place in some cases even still, but for most they don’t and instead make products worse and more expensive for everybody (they take up space that could be used for battery and they make water resistance much harder to do). Buy a specialty device if you really need a mini jack (which, curiously, was also made popular on mobile phones by Apple) get a device with it. Otherwise, you’re just getting old  most people, myself included, were skeptical but wouldn’t go back to wires after a short period of using the current generation wireless headphones that actually work (the mid-2000s wireless ones sucked bad).Progress = good?
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I never turn mine off but I do let them go to sleep. Do the HP’s count sleep time? Yeah, that's the difference between the total hours and the backlight hours. Still about 3.5 years of actual on time.
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Looks like they stopped bothering to log the total hours, as my HP in front of me just spits out the backlight time now.
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klafbang posted:Buy a specialty device if you really need a mini jack (which, curiously, was also made popular on mobile phones by Apple) By that you mean a 1/8" / 3.5mm jack, right? I don't think the iPhone was the first phone with that, but whatever. The rest of you post is spot on though, it's pretty natural to be skeptical of change, and especially in tech there's so many fads that never catch on that it's always dangerous to be an early adopter. Hell, wasn't Bluetooth infamously buggy when it was first released? I had to laugh when I found out that a popular accessory for Apple's Airbuds is a cord so you don't lose them. Seems ironic that the whole point of them is to lose the cables, but I suppose that's the trouble with something so small. I have over-ear Bluetooth headphones and they're fantastic, but then again they're much less likely to get lost than Airbuds.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:By that you mean a 1/8" / 3.5mm jack, right? I don't think the iPhone was the first phone with that, but whatever. The rest of you post is spot on though, it's pretty natural to be skeptical of change, and especially in tech there's so many fads that never catch on that it's always dangerous to be an early adopter. Hell, wasn't Bluetooth infamously buggy when it was first released? I'm not fan of Apple products, but there's a difference between a cord that goes around the back of your neck and a cord that goes down to your pocket and gets caught on everything you walk past.
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Yes, I know. The fact remains, Airbuds don't have cords of any kind so an accessory which is a cord is still funny to me
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cords suck and wil soon be a relic
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They're on top of your head, btw. (Yeah, you checked)
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:By that you mean a 1/8" / 3.5mm jack, right? I don't think the iPhone was the first phone with that, but whatever. I think they're referencing the smaller 2.5mm one which was on a lot of devices for a while. I personally hated it, but it didn't seem to be used for all that long.
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There was a Sony Ericsson MP3 player phone that came out before the iPhone. E: this guy predates the iPhone by 2 years The Fool has a new favorite as of 05:35 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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There were some proprietary ones too, usually attached to Gameboy-esque quality headphones.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I think they're referencing the smaller 2.5mm one which was on a lot of devices for a while. I personally hated it, but it didn't seem to be used for all that long. Did the iPhone have a 2.5mm jack? I had one on a Motorola phone several years before the first iPhone came out and thought it was terrible because I didn't have any other headphones/earphones with a 2.5mm jack so I had to use the lovely earphones that came bundled with it.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Did the iPhone have a 2.5mm jack? I had one on a Motorola phone several years before the first iPhone came out and thought it was terrible because I didn't have any other headphones/earphones with a 2.5mm jack so I had to use the lovely earphones that came bundled with it. I have no idea if the iPhone had it or not. I think I had one or two phones that had it, but not for long. The phones I've had longer term have all had 3.5mm jacks, including my beloved Nokia 3300b. 
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:By that you mean a 1/8" / 3.5mm jack, right? I don't think the iPhone was the first phone with that, but whatever. The rest of you post is spot on though, it's pretty natural to be skeptical of change, and especially in tech there's so many fads that never catch on that it's always dangerous to be an early adopter. Hell, wasn't Bluetooth infamously buggy when it was first released? Yeah, the regular 3.5 mm jack. There was probably phones with it before, but the majority had all kinds of weird proprietary plugs for audio. The original iphone keynote mentions the regular mini-jack as a feature because it was in 2007. Bluetooth wasn't as much buggy as not good for audio - it had a headset profile which provided "barely understandable speech" levels of audio (the headset profile). Don't recall if the headphone profile was later or just bad (as in very low bitrate). Bluetooth at the time definitely was an experience to pair with mandatory pass codes.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I have no idea if the iPhone had it or not. I think I had one or two phones that had it, but not for long. The phones I've had longer term have all had 3.5mm jacks, including my beloved Nokia 3300b. it's like an n-gage mated with a sidekick
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:By that you mean a 1/8" / 3.5mm jack, right? I don't think the iPhone was the first phone with that, but whatever. The rest of you post is spot on though, it's pretty natural to be skeptical of change, and especially in tech there's so many fads that never catch on that it's always dangerous to be an early adopter. Hell, wasn't Bluetooth infamously buggy when it was first released? Bluetooth is still quite buggy  It's just unfortunate to not have a 3.5 Jack as a simple fallback solution. I mean I can understand removing stuff like disk drives from PCs or sd card slots from phones due to them having significant drawbacks, but the headphone jack does not have any, apart from taking up a small amount of space.
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Chikimiki posted:Bluetooth is still quite buggy The amount of space is not tiny. The plug takes up a large percentage of space in a very thin device. And it has huge impact for water proofing. You can work around it, but it would add to the cost for something that sees very little use. Scotty from Strange Parts looked at a modern iPhone and concluded it might be possible to add USB C, but there is not a lot of space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZZIKbidMI0 That is not one of those joke videos where you just drill a hole in the iPhone, the same guy actually managed to add a headphone jack to the iPhone 7, but with huge implications for water proofing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA
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The Strange Parts guy puts out interesting stuff, like building an iPhone from spare parts and most recently converting an ATM into a slot machine. I remember the eaaaaarly days of Bluetooth and dear lord I don’t think anyone has the right to complain about it in its current state. What was the name of the MS tool we’d have to use? It was a nightmare, and you’d have to reboot every device in the chain for it to handshake as long as Mars was in retrograde and the sum of the date was even etc. It’s kinda crazy that’s the ‘same’ tech as the one where you open your headphone case and everything connects and starts sending audio straight away.
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EL BROMANCE posted:The Strange Parts guy puts out interesting stuff, like building an iPhone from spare parts and most recently converting an ATM into a slot machine. Widcomm Bluetooth Stack. Dark days.
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Ugh. ActiveSync was also a pile of poo poo. I find a lot of BT audio has a lag, but it's at least listenable. BT made for those pos BT headsets sucked.
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Friend of mine wrote a rant a few years ago about how the biggest remaining problem with Bluetooth is that none of the standards have ever mentioned how you're supposed to initiate pairing or display state on the devices, so you're left guessing if this one requires you to shake it or perhaps reinsert the batteries while holding the right mouse button; nevermind trying to figure out what the LEDs (if any) mean. There's a good reason Logitech still use their own proprietary wireless standard on almost all their products, and I don't think it's the profit from selling replacement receivers.
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Computer viking posted:
I think its a bit more than that... Logitech's proprietary protocol lets their mice typically have more than a year on a single AA battery. This is something Bluetooth couldn't pull off until Bluetooth LE/4.0 was introduced. Logitech even has mice now that can use both.
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True, that's another way Bluetooth only now begins to resemble a true everything-for-everyone short distance protocol. It'd have been nice to have LE in there much earlier. Also, I find it interesting that the cheapest Bluetooth Logitech mouse is the switchable proprietary/Bluetooth one, not one of the Bluetooth-only models. I guess the receivers are very cheap on their own.
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One can not truly understand the horrors of Bluetooth until one understands that there was a number of attempts to make Bluetooth LANs. Not PANs where you pair things. No, LANs where it would be part of the larger network. https://www.axis.com/files/datasheet/9010/9010.pdf These came out about the same time as early Wi-Fi stuff. The A+ exam had questions about setting these up, and they combined the shittiness of Wi-Fi with untested networking gear and universally bad UIs. I only ever played with them in a lab environment but they were awful. Like biblical plague bad.
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I still hate bluetooth, pairing poo poo never works right until the point where you're about to pull your hair out and then mysteriously everything is fine and it pairs up right away
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I wonder if I should try and make my old Sony Ericsson Bluetooth remote control car work again...
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I despise Bluetooth audio (even when it finally works the latency drives me up the wall), but I still prefer not having a 3.5mm jack. I can deal with not being able to use headphones with my phone at all if it means better waterproofing.
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Yeah, whenever I pair my Bluetooth headphones with my computer sometimes it just works, sometimes I have to reconnect and sometimes I have to reconnect multiple times. Still, considering I usually use them when doing other things the lack of a cable makes it worth it.
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Headphone jacks meaning worse waterproofing is a lie though. The Samsung s10 has the same waterproofing rating as an iPhone 11, despite having a 'jack. It's all down to design, don't lie or make excuses for a company that doesn't give a poo poo about you. They wanted money from dongle sales, they wanted a cut from lightning-compatible headsets, and they wanted to make a market environment that would support their airpods.
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SubNat posted:Headphone jacks meaning worse waterproofing is a lie though. yeah, but you can't explain things like that to the Apple cult. Apple is selling it on their overpriced, underpowered product, so it's great.
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Thomamelas posted:One can not truly understand the horrors of Bluetooth until one understands that there was a number of attempts to make Bluetooth LANs. Not PANs where you pair things. No, LANs where it would be part of the larger network. That's fake, right? Like a horror story made up to give people nightmares, cause it is giving me the chills right now.
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My current phone is a Nexus 5X and I wish it didn't have a headphone jack. About once a month it gets so packed full of crud that it thinks headphones are connected when they aren't and I have to swab it out to get sound again. I guess I could plug it with hot glue or something. Dip Viscous has a new favorite as of 12:23 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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Lotion Tester posted:My current phone is a Nexus 5X and I wish it didn't have a headphone jack. About once a month it gets so packed full of crud that it thinks headphones are connected when they aren't and I have to swab it out to get sound again.  
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Big duck energy.
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Right now I've got electrical tape over it but if that doesn't hold up I'll order one of those ducks.
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