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this looks pretty damning https://twitter.com/heatherisone/status/1208019082097942528 https://www.facebook.com/heatherpeto.rushcliffe.52/posts/608250319980703 quote:As a Co-Chair of LGBT+ Labour I had to keep quiet during the election about my frustrations with the way regressive elements on the NEC and in the leader’s office undermined LGBT+ rights in the manifesto. They projected their own prejudices onto women & working-class voters as an excuse to incorporate a section in the manifesto vilifying transgender women and not having a separate LGBT+ manifesto. e: 365 is a number
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Gonzo McFee posted:After we leave the EU it's going to be hilarious watching everything go to poo poo and the BBC saying nothing about it because the government refuses to talk about it or send anyone to talk about it. if they make the government look bad that's unbalanced
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 18:27 |
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1208032905781534721 Somewhere, Lisa Nandy is screaming out of her seven mouths.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 18:29 |
The WAB might have passed parliament, but doesn't the EU have to unanimously vote on the withdrawal too? There are still problems with the Irish border and rights of EU citizens in the UK, so what are the chances that they vote against it? And what happens if they do?
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 18:43 |
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Angepain posted:this looks pretty damning Their LGBT+ section was one of the weakest parts of the manifesto. I remember when we did the manifesto podcast ep it was one of the only bits we were really down on. Glad we got some insight on what happened there.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 18:44 |
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Lady Demelza posted:The WAB might have passed parliament, but doesn't the EU have to unanimously vote on the withdrawal too? There are still problems with the Irish border and rights of EU citizens in the UK, so what are the chances that they vote against it? And what happens if they do? I think it only has to if there are significant changes made to it on the UK side, of which I don't think there are any?
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 18:54 |
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Lady Demelza posted:The WAB might have passed parliament, but doesn't the EU have to unanimously vote on the withdrawal too? There are still problems with the Irish border and rights of EU citizens in the UK, so what are the chances that they vote against it? And what happens if they do? I'm not sure if they have to vote? The agreement was basically drafted on behalf of and then backed by the EU leaders, it's basically a declaration of how we (us and the EU) intend to handle the issues caused by withdrawal There's still a year of the transition period left, which gives us no time to do the next negotiating stage - agreeing the future relationship including trade deals, customs arrangements etc. That's probably when we'll see the EU start to lean on us to get what they want, it's even possible we'll end up with a soft brexit where EU citizens' rights are guaranteed, we're locked into alignment with them, they have the same say over ARE FISHERIES etc because we need them more than they need us. Also probably why the government is hoping to hide under some coats for as long as possible
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 18:56 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1208036791623831552 *laughs hollowly*
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 18:58 |
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Lady Demelza posted:The WAB might have passed parliament, but doesn't the EU have to unanimously vote on the withdrawal too? There are still problems with the Irish border and rights of EU citizens in the UK, so what are the chances that they vote against it? And what happens if they do? No, according to an article from the German newspaper from today, that part is done, Britain will just leave. What the EU has to do next: March 2020: Memberstates give the EU a Mandate for negotiating the future relationship November 2020: All negotiations must be concluded, so the EU can vote and implement the new treaties in time 2021, January: If the above didn't happen fast enough, chaos reigns (also tariffs)
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:07 |
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some good news from elsewhere https://twitter.com/jhmommers/status/1208079662318051328?s=20
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:13 |
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Alsoquote:Former France Télécom bosses given jail terms over workplace bullying Imagine bosses here being held responsible for anything ever Can imagine this bit though quote:Between 2008 and 2009, 35 employees killed themselves. The company had been privatised and was undertaking a restructuring plan during which bosses set out to cut more than a fifth of the workforce – more than 22,000 jobs.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:19 |
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https://twitter.com/CorbynistaTeen/status/1207948576787185664?s=19 loving scary times.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:22 |
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Angepain posted:this looks pretty damning Very distressed to see Ann Henderson named here, she’s always been presented as one of the good left wing choices for NEC.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:23 |
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There's some extremely dumb fuckery going on on wikipedia atm; Keir Starmer's wiki page has had a sub-section about his "private wealth" added 2 days ago stating he was a millionaire because he owns a house in London, this was removed as its loving dumb to say with london house prices as they are, the torygraph is running a story that it has been deleted, but not that it was just added. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Keir_Starmer#Private_wealth https://twitter.com/niko_tinius/status/1207627459845402625 Oh and the Sun's political editor is trying to remove the fact that he publishes literal nazi propaganda from his own bio, under his own name; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Newton_Dunn#Far-Right_Conspiracy_Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tom_Newton_Dunn&action=history
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:26 |
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:Very distressed to see Ann Henderson named here, she’s always been presented as one of the good left wing choices for NEC. Heather Peto is a full Progress type, it's worth considering when she's talking specifically about left wingers The LGBT bit of the manifesto was poo poo though so
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:38 |
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Jose posted:Can I interest anyone in some of the most doomsday economics ever published essentially unrelated to climate change? Wow, what an article. Thanks for sharing Jose.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 19:43 |
Oh okay, so passing the WAB means that on the surface nothing changes for the next year, Brexiteers get to gloat that the world hasn't ended, whilst businesses and individuals quietly enact whatever plans they have for when Brexit properly kicks in in January 2021?
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:00 |
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I think you'll find that we Got Brexit Done. Any evidence to the contrary is a communist plot, friend computer is never wrong.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:03 |
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Ah, the Conservative and Unionist Nothern Tory Seats group photo
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:06 |
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The poo poo from the caahs in the norf and the caahs in the saaf comes together and makes Tories! It will really help me if you laugh at this joke and display it in your window. Braggart fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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Lady Demelza posted:Oh okay, so passing the WAB means that on the surface nothing changes for the next year, Brexiteers get to gloat that the world hasn't ended, whilst businesses and individuals quietly enact whatever plans they have for when Brexit properly kicks in in January 2021? Essentially, yes. How hard the kick lands in 2021 depends on how much negotiations get done, however. If Boris fucks this up (Narrator: He will gently caress this up), Brexit will kick in so hard Albion will be torn in half Considering all those thorny questions that are still unsolved, like what has to be done with Northern Ireland, Boris has his work cut out for him. He has some time to prepare for negotiations in January-March and then the EU is ready to work and the race is on. And in November everything has to be already ready and finished for the EU-members / EU-parliament to vote on and turn the new treaty into a real boy. My personal prediction is that the new treaty will stay a dead piece of wood and 2021 will be the Year of Horror for Britain.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:13 |
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Lady Demelza posted:Oh okay, so passing the WAB means that on the surface nothing changes for the next year, Brexiteers get to gloat that the world hasn't ended, whilst businesses and individuals quietly enact whatever plans they have for when Brexit properly kicks in in January 2021? It's not that nothing changes, just that the changes don't have to be in place until the end of that period. Like with one year to get things sorted out a responsible government would be getting on it immediately, but this lot spent 3 years sending people like David Davis to sit there with empty binders and play with his watch menacingly like it was full of dangerous spy gadgets you had ministers saying 1 year was completely inadequate, that we were looking at extending by 2 or 3 years just to have time to do everything we needed to do. And you'd think that we'd want as much time as we needed, right? Not being rushed into things, not ending up desperate because we hit a deadline we're unprepared for. But Johnson's making it illegal for the government to ask for another extension, the cliff edge is fixed and the brakes are cut So either he's planning for a no deal crashout, or he's planning on getting bounced into an agreement by the EU that he can blame on them, or he genuinely thinks he can play chicken and win. Who the heck knows which at this point, and they're going dark so nobody knows until it's too late. Our fine journalists will definitely investigate and keep everyone informed though
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:17 |
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https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1208016103433277440?s=19 Old Chlory.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:18 |
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The EU should just go ahead and slit the UKs throat and hurl the body in a dumpster. Just get it over with. I am not confident anything will be done in the next year.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:21 |
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As we know, brits love americans more than anything.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:22 |
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The chance of anything being effectively negotiated by Jan 2021 is frankly laughable. Getting it done in time to be ratified by the EU institutions and national parliaments as necessary by January 2021 is flat out impossible.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:32 |
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Braggart posted:
https://twitter.com/brianfharrison/status/1207084347775488006
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:34 |
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We're doing a crash out of the EU. It's what the country loving voted for.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:35 |
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Libluini posted:Considering all those thorny questions that are still unsolved, like what has to be done with Northern Ireland, Boris has his work cut out for him. He has some time to prepare for negotiations in January-March and then the EU is ready to work and the race is on. And in November everything has to be already ready and finished for the EU-members / EU-parliament to vote on and turn the new treaty into a real boy. honestly as far as I can tell "what has to be done with Northern Ireland" is already settled, because it's laid out in the WA that the EU negotiated. Johnson just pretended that stuff wasn't in there, and the media said "Tories say this, Labour says something else, we report you decide" instead of, like, telling people what the agreement actually sets out basically there's a border in the Irish Sea (one of May's red lines - she wanted any arrangement to apply to the UK as a whole, so Johnson got a deal when everyone said he couldn't by... conceding on something the EU wanted) which puts various burdens on NI businesses and anyone in GB that trades with them. It also binds NI to follow any relevant future laws the EU enacts, and gives the EU oversight and authority over the UK on these matters NI's alignment with the EU means that if the rest of the UK diverges too much, NI will be forced to juggle two different sets of conflicting rules and regulations. If the UK signs a super great very cool trade deal with the US, which is incompatible with customs and market rules in the EU, NI won't be able to balance those two requirements - the burden will be too heavy But Johnson has basically made the NI government responsible for what happens by punting it as a devolved issue - if NI has to break away from EU alignment resulting in a hard border with Ireland, well that's just the choice of the Northern Irish people now isn't it? Nothing to do with us. And if things go the other way, and NI becomes a de facto EU member instead (maybe officially leaving the UK or maybe just becoming an entirely separated territory) then it's their fault, we certainly didn't cause the breakup of the union it all looks pretty much laid out, the mystery box just contains all the trade deals that have to magically appear in one year. love to cause the kind of economic disruption you'd dream of inflicting on an enemy in a war
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:36 |
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Oh my god and who wants a mouthful of Cameron?
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:38 |
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after hearing about US pork farms it's hard to imagine they could get any worse... hey whose beer is this in my hand??
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:41 |
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https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/status/1207960704998952960
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:42 |
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If it weren't in such a bad taste, I would make jokes about wondering if Brexit is just karmic payback for the British blockade of Germany in WWI
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:42 |
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If only corbine had not failed if only the english hadn't collectively gone gammon full degeneration and degenerates Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Dec 20, 2019 |
# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:47 |
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There’s not a single person running for leader so far that I’m remotely inspired by.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:48 |
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Libluini posted:November 2020: All negotiations must be concluded, so the EU can vote and implement the new treaties in time I thought this would be in like June at latest, since everything needs to be ratified by all the parliaments and whatnot
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:51 |
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Pesmerga posted:There’s not a single person running for leader so far that I’m remotely inspired by. Do keep us updated.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:54 |
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That's a hell of a feed that account has.
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# ? Dec 20, 2019 20:56 |
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jaete posted:I thought this would be in like June at latest, since everything needs to be ratified by all the parliaments and whatnot Apparently the Süddeutsche is convinced November is still OK. It's basically the last possible date, however. And Halloween would probably be too late already
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Lord_Hambrose posted:The EU should just go ahead and slit the UKs throat and hurl the body in a dumpster. Just get it over with. I am not confident anything will be done in the next year. Why, the enjoyment will be over too soon then. Better to watch them squirm and pretend everything is fine ruling over a pile of sinking poo poo for a decade or two. Also there's also going to be the joy of deporting UKers back to the UK. Detention centers full of people going 'Don't you know who I am!"
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