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Whew, finally got DQ11S. Anything I should hold off on doing until later in the game? I've already beaten it on PS4 but I have no idea about any of the new stuff aside from the costume changes, fast forward, 2D mode and people moving and talking in the rotating camera battle mode.
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Dec 19, 2019 19:46
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Nope. You'll get some side quests fairly early on involving the worlds of previous games that you won't be able to complete until later on, but you can still complete a lot of them and they give decent rewards for when you get them.
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Dec 19, 2019 20:09
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The Ninth Layer posted:Nope. You'll get some side quests fairly early on involving the worlds of previous games that you won't be able to complete until later on, but you can still complete a lot of them and they give decent rewards for when you get them. When's a good time to make an attempt because if you leave me to my own devices I won't even try until after Dundrasil.
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Dec 20, 2019 05:04
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The story beats were different but man, that entire "Wander around, find six McGuffins" questline was just straight up III again. Not that I'm complaining. DQ has been "Hey, remember those previous games?" since the second one, and this one has really been Remember All The Rest?: The Game, in a good way.
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Dec 20, 2019 05:44
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OhFunny posted:I'm at 50hrs into Dragon Quest VII and can't tell how far I am from the end due to the game not having a strong central plot. You're probably near the end of not being able to class change. I love DQ7 but it's the RPG that made kid me realize "man I wish a FF or DQ game just went forever" was not actually something I wanted. I know the remake is "faster" but it's still long as hell. AngryRobotsInc posted:The story beats were different but man, that entire "Wander around, find six McGuffins" questline was just straight up III again. I really hope the next DQM is as fun as DQXI has been.
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Dec 20, 2019 05:56
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oh my gosh, that post-credits scene at Puerto Valor is too precious i know people say that the post-game isn't really post-game and instead the third part of the story, but having read some people talk about Act 3 i honestly think i'm pretty satisfied leaving the game off here. maybe i'll go watch the true ending or whatever on youtube or something at some point but after 70 hours that was a fun adventure that left me feeling emotional as the credits rolled and i'm happy to leave it there with that experience
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Dec 20, 2019 12:19
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Evil Fluffy posted:I really hope the next DQM is as fun as DQXI has been. I just hope it gets a translation. I can kind of muddle my way through Japanese. But my grammar is much better than my vocab, and playing an RPG with one eye on a dictionary is not my idea of a good time. I've done it before, but I'd raaaaather not if I don't have to.
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Dec 20, 2019 13:54
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RareAcumen posted:When's a good time to make an attempt because if you leave me to my own devices I won't even try until after Dundrasil.
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Dec 20, 2019 14:02
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AngryRobotsInc posted:The story beats were different but man, that entire "Wander around, find six McGuffins" questline was just straight up III again. Someone pointed out that DQ11 was planned to be the 30th anniversary game, which explains why there’s so many callbacks
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Dec 20, 2019 14:50
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Box of Bunnies posted:oh my gosh, that post-credits scene at Puerto Valor is too precious Act 3 ruined everything in my opinion.
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Dec 20, 2019 18:55
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Ran into my first real hurdle in DQ11 - how the gently caress do I deal with Booga? Party is around level 37, is there some recommended place to go grind open at this point?
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Dec 20, 2019 19:12
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Box of Bunnies posted:oh my gosh, that post-credits scene at Puerto Valor is too precious I mean its literally not post-game because it's definitely the rest of the story. It'd be like finishing Nier Automata at the end of route B and missing out on the fact that next up is a ton more story because the game isn't over.
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Dec 20, 2019 19:14
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Eh, I'd argue that in the case of DQ11 choosing to not initiate act 3 is a viable conclusion to the story. The game does mention itself that it's up to you if you want to keep going, and they can't "but thou must" you away from turning the game off.
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Dec 20, 2019 19:27
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Avalerion posted:Ran into my first real hurdle in DQ11 - how the gently caress do I deal with Booga? Party is around level 37, is there some recommended place to go grind open at this point? Keep in mind that Buffs/Debuffs are super important in DQ11. So things that prevent him from beguiling your team helps. Sap and Oomphle help as well. I'd would probably still grind a few spots that have metal slimes/lms.
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Dec 20, 2019 19:35
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History Comes Inside! posted:I mean its literally not post-game because it's definitely the rest of the story. Fair, I should have just said "I know it's the rest of the story but everything I've read about it feels like it would not enhance my experience with the game compared to what I feel is a satisfying conclusion here"
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Dec 20, 2019 19:57
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I mean one of the reasons I call it post-game rather than Act 3 is because I'm not really a fan of it storywise. And really it's not concluding anything, it's just answering the last few lore questions that were up in the air. And the answers to those questions only really matter to the post-game.
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Dec 20, 2019 20:10
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I wish they had just rolled Act 3's story into Act 2 more organically. I really lost all interest to continue in Act 3 when I started running into reused dungeon assets. But the story also started getting much looser once it hit the "get stronger and do some post-game content before you fight the final boss" section of the game. I thought the premise of Act 3 was really cool and the early parts of it were very dramatic and interesting. But then it kind of settles into a status quo. I think the problem is that narratively, Act 3 should have the most dramatic tension and feeling of urgency, but because it's also the post-game, it has a very leisurely and optional feel to it. Having Serena go through such good characterization in Act 2 only to have Act 3 erase the circumstances that led to her character development felt off kilter, too. Like it just immediately lowers the stakes and the bonds you have with the character.
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Dec 20, 2019 20:23
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Made it to the end goal of the McGuffin quest and...uh...that did not go as planned.
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Dec 20, 2019 21:05
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Cephas posted:I wish they had just rolled Act 3's story into Act 2 more organically. I really lost all interest to continue in Act 3 when I started running into reused dungeon assets. But the story also started getting much looser once it hit the "get stronger and do some post-game content before you fight the final boss" section of the game. Exact same thoughts here. In the end I just feel like it wasn't necessary at all and kind of ruined Act 2.
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Dec 20, 2019 21:14
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I feel like how much you like act III depends on how much you care about the story of the original Luminary and the party.
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Dec 20, 2019 21:28
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Orange Crush Rush posted:I feel like how much you like act III depends on how much you care about the story of the original Luminary and the party. I really liked this aspect. In the first couple acts, you think you know what happened to the trio. It's the archetypical RPG story. Pretty much Dragon Quest III. But then you find out that there's a lot more to it, and the consequences of the story are still being felt to this day.
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Dec 20, 2019 21:39
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Detective No. 27 posted:I really liked this aspect. In the first couple acts, you think you know what happened to the trio. It's the archetypical RPG story. Pretty much Dragon Quest III. But then you find out that there's a lot more to it, and the consequences of the story are still being felt to this day. Agreed, I think this a big reason why I liked act III quite a bit. The game does a really, really good job to making you think the story of Erdwin is literally just DQIII, and that you are playing the sequel to it and the original NES Trilogy. And then you find out what was the big evil they were really battling, and then it what happened there and what became of him and his party. And it's not until the very end that you find out, 11 is actually the Prequel to just about everything. Actually, thinking about it, DQ11 does the whole "it's the archetypical RPG story, but with a twist" multiple times in the game, and it's done well to boot. You first think you go to Helidor to receive a Hero's Welcome, that doesn't happen. Same thing when you gather all the Orbs, or reunite with the last party members in act II, stuff like that.
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Dec 20, 2019 22:11
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While Act 3 did completely ruin Serena, I did want to keep playing the game because I enjoyed playing the game, and for that reason I think Act 3 is a good thing. If you feel satisfied, then you don't need to continue obviously. But if you want to keep playing Dragon Quest XI and you're sad that it's over, Act 3 is there for you.
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Dec 20, 2019 22:26
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Them never showing how Veronica gets cursed or following up with the person who cursed her took a lot of restraint that I don't think other developers/storytellers would have had.
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Dec 21, 2019 00:00
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Nobody ever gets creepy about Veronica looking underage and it's a low loving bar but it's so rarely met.
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Dec 21, 2019 00:59
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Detective No. 27 posted:Them never showing how Veronica gets cursed or following up with the person who cursed her took a lot of restraint that I don't think other developers/storytellers would have had. Wasn't that an effect of Jarvis stealing Veronica's magic? Hence her surprise when taking her magic back didn't restore her form.
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Dec 21, 2019 01:05
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Yeah, IIRC it's explained at the end of the dungeon. What I was surprised by is that they never gave you the option to uncurse her, even in Act 3.
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Dec 21, 2019 01:28
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who do i need to slide some money to to get a Mystery Dungeon: Erik & Mia's Lootapalooza made (and localised)?
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Dec 21, 2019 01:30
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Box of Bunnies posted:who do i need to slide some money to to get a Mystery Dungeon: Erik & Mia's Lootapalooza made (and localised)? Holy moly that makes more sense than the Erik and Mia DQMonsters they're making (and probably not localizing)
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Dec 21, 2019 01:32
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https://gematsu.com/2019/12/dragon-quest-the-adventure-of-dai-new-game-project-and-anime-announced Huh.
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Dec 21, 2019 06:29
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Hopefully this isn't one of the DQ things Squenix decides people outside Japan won't be interested in.
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Dec 21, 2019 06:56
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Commander Keene posted:Hopefully this isn't one of the DQ things Squenix decides people outside Japan won't be interested in. I wouldn't hold my breath. Unless I'm mistaken, this is based on a comic that never came out in the west. It sounds exactly like one of the things they think we're not interested in.
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Dec 21, 2019 10:52
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I can't remember what thread it was in but there was some country where Dai was stupid popular and they were asking if Dai was in XI or something. I know the anime aired in like, Spain and France at least
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Dec 21, 2019 11:19
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kirbysuperstar posted:I can't remember what thread it was in but there was some country where Dai was stupid popular and they were asking if Dai was in XI or something. Yup, I read this stuff years before knowing what Dragon Quest was.  Playing Dragon Quest 8 was a real mind gently caress when I realized where I knew all these monsters and skills from.
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Dec 21, 2019 12:31
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RareAcumen posted:When's a good time to make an attempt because if you leave me to my own devices I won't even try until after Dundrasil. So, basically, the way the new side quest stuff works is you'll meet the little ghost NPC's throughout the world as you go (you generally don't need to go too out of your way to find them), and in terms of difficulty you can basically do all of them as soon as you unlock them. Some of them will dead end on needing an item you won't get until later or to go to another one of the side quests to talk to an NPC that you don't have the password for yet, so you'll have some natural stopping point. I basically went and did ticking ton stuff whenever I wanted to play for 15 minutes and not progress the story through cutscenes or a longer dungeon, and it was fine. The only really notable reward I remember was I was able to get my hands on a Goddess Whip for Sylvando super super super early and he was hitting as hard as the hero but against all enemies for a while and generally just didn't need a new weapon for half the game it was great.
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Dec 21, 2019 17:20
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Bought DQ11 on switch, because owning one copy that I haven't beaten wasn't enough apparently What're the go-to weapons for the party? I remember DQ8 was... not well balanced in that regard
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Dec 21, 2019 17:39
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Ciaphas posted:Bought DQ11 on switch, because owning one copy that I haven't beaten wasn't enough apparently Unlike DQ8 you can respec at any church for a token fee once you are a few hours in, so try them all. For what it's worth, IMO the only real bad options are not giving Serena and Veronica wands and staves respectively. Edit: by 'a few hours in' I mean it is where the demo ends.
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Dec 21, 2019 17:49
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Act3 of DQ11 is like the 6th Stratum of an EO game (ok it's not nearly as bullshit as a 6th stratum). Sure you won your objective but there's something more there under the surface.AngryRobotsInc posted:I just hope it gets a translation. I can kind of muddle my way through Japanese. But my grammar is much better than my vocab, and playing an RPG with one eye on a dictionary is not my idea of a good time. I've done it before, but I'd raaaaather not if I don't have to. With how DQ11 is doing it'd be weird if they didn't. OTOH stuff like DQM Joker 3 never came out here so maybe they'll keep thinking that the west doesn't care about anything that isn't Pokemon or maybe Digimon.  kirbysuperstar posted:https://gematsu.com/2019/12/dragon-quest-the-adventure-of-dai-new-game-project-and-anime-announced  Shame this all but guaranteed to be Japan-only but if it does come to the west I'm 100% down for a game in this setting, whether a retread of the Manga or based after it using the very goddamn obvious setup the last arc has.
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Dec 21, 2019 18:27
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huh, switch version has a Japanese dub too. I don't remember and it's still downloading; how's the english?
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I've only played with english VA but pretty good imo. Sylvando, Veronica and Eight are probably my favorites.
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