Pigbuster posted:

Anakin was destined to bring balance to the force by destroying the overwhelming forces of evil through the ultimate act of sacrifice to save the life of his son.

Anakin was destined to bring balance to the force by temporarily inconveniencing the overwhelming forces of evil through the ultimate act of sacrifice to save the life of his son. That son will then inadvertently cast out his nephew, who will then be lured to the dark side by his imaginary friend, Anakin-but-completely-evil (who is actually the overwhelming force of evil speaking via force trickery). This will lead the nephew to form a force dyad with the overwhelming force of evil's granddaughter, which ultimately results in all the sith being killed by all the jedi, and the nephew will reject the dark side by making the ultimate act of sacrifice to save the life of his beloved. Truly, Anakin was destined to bring balance to the force.

TulliusCicero posted:

Can someone explain the "all the Sith show up at once" part? Because holy loving poo poo is that sounding STUPID

Quantum Shart posted:

I don't know. Like I was thinking maybe it was a figurative thing, rule of two, but no, it just loving sucked.

Comstar posted:

In ROTJ there's an imperial officer who says "You Rebel Scum". And he says it so well. Like his entire career had been building to that movement.

In Rise of Skywalker, after they get captured on the SD after effortlessly killing 30+ Stormtroopers, Poe gets shot in the shoulder, and they all immediately surrender. And about 10 seconds later, someone says "You Scum" or something. What did he say? It was so weirdly paused and sounded so...flat.

TulliusCicero posted:

Also, the "bloodline" poo poo is dumb as gently caress and completely destroys the decades of information we have on how the force works, and anyone can be born force sensitive. This is what happens when you put a director in charge of established sci fi properties who has no respect for any of the canon or old ideas at all.

ONE YEAR LATER posted:

You can't really blame anyone but Lucas for that, he didn't even respect his own movies when he made the prequels.

Onmi posted:

Technically Return was when Force was brought up as being genetic, as Luke told Leia that everyone in their family was strong in it.

I'd say the bigger issue was, again, just how absurd Rey's grasp on Force Powers were from the offset. In contrast, Finn only gets vague feelings and otherwise seems to be a reasonable force sensitive person as established.

And the larger issue than that is... Sheev... won. He eradicated the Skywalkers, he successfully ruled the galaxy for like 60 years with the addition of like 60 more years of just living it up as a Sith. His surviving heir did in fact, strike him down, as he desired. He destroyed the government, slaughtered almost all the heroes who rose up against him in the past...

Like do you think anyone at Disney was thinking about what it meant for Sheev to be back? Do you think they considered it or just sorta shrugged and went "They'll clap when they see him."

TulliusCicero posted:

"But she's a Skywalker now!"

Pollyanna posted:

Combat Theory posted:

Remember that the new algorithm for rotten tomato audience score doesn't count half star reviews.

ONE YEAR LATER posted:

When they're walking around the spice festival with a ton of squid people all wearing long flowing robes and they say "there's Stormtroopers looking for us" why don't they find some robes and try and blend in? Instead they walk around (with a giant hairy wookie in the group) and are immediately identified and chased within the span of 10 intergalactic time units?

I think my ultimate issue with this movie is the pacing. I can buy dumb plot points because it's a series about space wizards and laser guns, but it feels frantic and rushed while also being two and a half hours long while still having time for three lightsaber fights.

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

The weird thing to me is not that Hux betrays Kylo, it's that Hux betrays Kylo to the rebels and not Sheev.

SleepCousinDeath posted:

Very disappointed that Palpatine didn’t come back as an Ewok tbh

Combat Theory posted:

Remember that the new algorithm for rotten tomato audience score doesn't count half star reviews.

Colostomy Bag posted:

I wonder what his color of fur/stripes/patterns/etc. would be.

Everyone posted:

How is Hux supposed to betray Kylo to Sheev (and I keep wanting to read that name as Skeev, because skeevy)? First, the only one who knows how to get to Exidor is Kylo and Sheev doesn't have a cell phone as far as I can tell. Second, what exactly can Hux do or say to Sheev in terms of betraying Kylo? The only one who knows he's not planning to kill Rey is Kylo.

Figure Hux is right. The best way to gently caress over Kylo is to use the Resistance to make him look bad. Unfortunately that didn't work because Hux is kind of dumb. Bad movie or not, Pryde just casually shooting Hux after not buying his clearly bullshit story was hilarious.

Its Chocolate posted:

why on Earth do they do that

TulliusCicero posted:

Like, most of the Sith don't even loving like each other because that's their natural order

Also Palps is a pretty strong Sith, but all of them at once? Pfffftt!

Also, the "bloodline" poo poo is dumb as gently caress and completely destroys the decades of information we have on how the force works, and anyone can be born force sensitive. This is what happens when you put a director in charge of established sci fi properties who has no respect for any of the canon or old ideas at all. Requiring Rey to exist to destroy Palps completely defeats the point of Anakin as a character and his destiny.

Going to watch the Mandalorian and then Clone Wars and Rebels again, to remind myself Star Wars can have fun and interesting ideas. Again, these writers were available for these dumb stupid loud films.

Onmi posted:

So that the audience score looks better.

Pollyanna posted:

So I’m not allowed to say I hated a film so much i deserves a half star? Why give me the opportunity to rate it then? RT sucks cock.

I’m still mad about this movie, but it’s fine - I’m just done with Star Wars. It lasted like a month, which is pathetic.

Really, the thing I’m most mad about it is that people actually generally love the film. Star Wars fans are the worst and I do not want to be associated with them.

Onmi posted:

And Kylo was a Solo but when he died he was still the 'Last Skywalker'. So Name's don't mean poo poo compared to genetics as said by the movie itself.

Hobo Clown posted:

I actually thought his "I'M THE SPY" was hilarious and in character for Hux. He's an idiot and a blowhard, of course he'd announce it that way.

Pollyanna posted:

So I’m not allowed to say I hated a film so much i deserves a half star? Why give me the opportunity to rate it then? RT sucks cock.

I’m still mad about this movie, but it’s fine - I’m just done with Star Wars. It lasted like a month, which is pathetic.

Really, the thing I’m most mad about it is that people actually generally love the film. Star Wars fans are the worst and I do not want to be associated with them.

Horizon Burning posted:

there's this video clip where someone asks the big three about the surprise of stormtroopers that can fly and john boyega says 'i don't get why we're surprised, they've been using jetpacks since the clone wars!'

thepokey posted:

They fly now!

Honestly I think if theres one single thing (theres way more than that) that irks me the most about these new movies its the Disneyfication of them where every dangerous situation needs to have its tension completely curb stomped by witty quips. It sort of makes sense in the Marvel films because you have these demi-God type characters who are superhuman brushing stuff off. But things like the "they fly now!" or in TLJ the one that stuck out the most was when the hanger bay of Snokes ship which is blowing up all around them and Rose goes past on an AT-ST and is all "need a lift?" Comic relief can be great, if not necessary in your space wizard type movies, but it was way too much.

Its Chocolate posted:

yeah this is a distinction that can be hard to see. JJ Abrams is conscious of original material insofar as he can use it for nostalgia bait nerd pandering at an aesthetic level, but he has no actual understanding of or respect for it. see also Star Trek

Onmi posted:

I don't necessarily agree, I thought the few good parts of the prequels were Obi-Wan's quipping as an Errol Flynn style hero and his general quippy nature with Anakin. Like the entire opening of Revenge ending with them crashlanding a ship was full-on quippy banter.

MelancholyMark posted:

Still lolling over how they bring up Finn's crush on Rey and his force sensitivity multiple times then proceed to do absolutely nothing with either of them by the end of the movie

Everyone posted:

Find out in Star Wars XII: The Fur of Palpatine.

For my part I hope Rian Johnson's trilogy picks up twenty or thirty years later with Rey and Finn's clearly mixed race daughter because "gently caress you people with this racial purity bullshit."

Gaunab posted:

But Rian Johnson was the one who separated them in the first place.