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Normal MBGA is being Alf Garnet on Death Til Do Us Part or the other gently caress from Love Thy Neighbour. But everyone agrees with everything you say
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Cerebral Bore posted:Presumably the food bank knows what they actually need better than some rando so either give money directly or ask what they need. The donation bins have always struck me as more of a way of letting people help on impulse. My mother volunteers at the local foodbank, and they put a wishlist on the donation bins. This is mainly because otherwise they end up with entire slabs of Tesco Value spaghetti hoops and very little else. Basic toiletries are always a good bet, as is coffee/teamaking supplies.
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Soylent Yellow posted:My mother volunteers at the local foodbank, and they put a wishlist on the donation bins. This is mainly because otherwise they end up with entire slabs of Tesco Value spaghetti hoops and very little else. Basic toiletries are always a good bet, as is coffee/teamaking supplies. The one I always tried to do back when I felt I could afford it, after watchign I Daniel Blake, was period supplies. Period poverty is real and it loving suuuuuucks.
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Pound_Coin posted:dipshit paper goin in hard quote:Jonny Lawrence, 25, a PhD student, backed Corbyn in the last two leadership contests but encountered hostility towards him in the general election campaign. “I canvassed loads for Anneliese Dodds in Oxford East and the main issue coming up on the doorstep for us was Corbyn as a leader. It was difficult – I lost faith in him myself, to be honest,” he says.
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who are the corbynista candidates and are they any good? RLB and raynor? pidcock is dead e actually more broadly, are any of the candidates good? like charismatic or smart? Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Dec 22, 2019 |
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Rlb is fan favourite. Helped by the fact that her existence drives the melt and the fash rags insane.
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Communist Thoughts posted:who are the corbynista candidates and are they any good? RLB and raynor? pidcock is dead Rayner is standing for deputy, they're pushing it as an RLB/Rayner ticket. Clive Lewis is problematic with women Jess Philips is a TERF Lisa Nandy is backed by Blue Labour Emily Thornberry said in the middle of the windrush scandal she didn't have a problem with a "hostile environment" Keir Starmer will inevitably court the centre more than the left and is easily portrayed as out of touch londonista.
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mehall posted:Keir Starmer will inevitably court the centre more than the left and is easily portrayed as out of touch londonista.
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Clive Lewis behaves like an adolescent and Thornberry clearly has a problem with alcohol :/ I don't think we need either of them atm.
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mehall posted:Jess Philips is a TERF She's also casually racist and Islamophobic, pals with Jacob Rees-Mogg, and spends more time agitating against Labour in the poo poo press than the Tories do.
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mehall posted:Keir Starmer will inevitably court the centre more than the left and is easily portrayed as out of touch londonista. no that's RLB and Rayner apparently Starmer doesn't seem a lot different from Corbs in his media style, he always seems to do a similar quiet, measured, non-confrontational delivery which clearly doesn't work around a chaotic mendacity elemental. He'd probably get an easier ride from the press just because he's The Right Sort, but when accountability is as low as it is now I kinda feel like we need a leader who'll call out the tories themselves
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Bobby Deluxe posted:This is giving off very powerful 'could actually kill Alasdair' vibes. That's most Toby Young articles tbf
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willie_dee posted:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-ne...impression=true I'm often perplexed by the insistence on prison abolition as a virtue on the left. Prisons are full of people arrested for drug possession or otherwise harmless crimes against property, and those things can and should be handled differently. But like 1-2% of any given population is always going to be loving maniacs. What are we going to do with the maniacs when we close all the prisons? People in the comments of that tweet point out that referral or whatever it was those kids got would be better for them in the long run but I don't see how brutally attacking two women for nearly ten minutes, then skating on it, would do anything but encourage further violent criminality. And I don't buy that economic deprivation or cutbacks on social care are mostly or even partially responsible for nurturing that sort of psychotic violence. They closed your youth center so you turned into a droog? gently caress away off. I've long thought that socialism, aligned with -for the want of a less loaded term- strong law and order policies could be a real vote winner. Nationalise the trains and lock up the maniacs. Get Group 4 the gently caress out of the process and make sure the (now uncrowded) prisons are drug and violence free and see if two or three years of education and manual labour wouldn't be better for them than going to some community volunteer to talk about their feelings. I dunno, they say you get more right wing as you get older but I'm somehow getting more extremely left and right wing. I'm like the philosophical opposite of what a centrist is.
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baka kaba posted:no that's RLB and Rayner apparently my mam saw him give a speech at a law firm christmas party because he was friends wtih one of the partners and apparently he was really bad at it an uncharismatic but had a lot of hangers on because of who he was at the time
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joedevola posted:I'm often perplexed by the insistence on prison abolition as a virtue on the left. Prisons are full of people arrested for drug possession or otherwise harmless crimes against property, and those things can and should be handled differently. But like 1-2% of any given population is always going to be loving maniacs. I'd give them a good hiding, OP. An eye for an eye  I think we should be using VR technology to make people experience their crimes as the victim
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Miftan posted:That's most Toby Young articles tbf joedevola posted:I'm often perplexed by the insistence on prison abolition as a virtue on the left. Prisons are full of people arrested for drug possession or otherwise harmless crimes against property, and those things can and should be handled differently. But like 1-2% of any given population is always going to be loving maniacs.
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Ok that % was pulled out of my arse but even the most well organized society will have people in it who are just wicked bastards. So if we remove the possibility of incarceration what would we do with them? crispix posted:I'd give them a good hiding, OP. An eye for an eye Thank you, yes. This is exactly what I was saying. Good man.
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It's more "you never had a youth center, or anything else to make your life worthwhile, so you quite rationally grow to believe that society hates you (it does) and will never offer you anything (it won't) and that trying to fit in is pointless (it is) so why not just do whatever you like?"
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joedevola posted:I'm often perplexed by the insistence on prison abolition as a virtue on the left. Prisons are full of people arrested for drug possession or otherwise harmless crimes against property, and those things can and should be handled differently. But like 1-2% of any given population is always going to be loving maniacs. there's some kind of primal desire to see justice done, people punished for bad things, consequences falling on the perpetrators more than the victims etc. and you have to watch out for that, because it starts to push buttons where certain people need to suffer because they deserve it or it's their own fault. next thing you have a daily mail subscription the boring and difficult truth is that really, you need what works. If a policy makes you feel good but doesn't fix the problem (or even makes it worse) then that's bad. If something's effective then really that's what you want, even if it feels too lenient. That doesn't mean the victims aren't important in all this, but the approach should be more about making them feel safe and making them feel like there's a somewhat positive outcome, rather than just defaulting to maximum punishment I mean yeah it's not an easy sell even to yourself sometimes but that doesn't mean you should lean into STRING EM UP btw left + right = centrist that's just how maths (and centrism) works
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joedevola posted:But like 1-2% of any given population is always going to be loving maniacs. joedevola posted:People in the comments of that tweet point out that referral or whatever it was those kids got would be better for them in the long run but I don't see how brutally attacking two women for nearly ten minutes, then skating on it, would do anything but encourage further violent criminality. you can't have it both ways buddy you can't say "1-2% of the population are just naturally violent" (which, citation loving needed) and then follow it up with "people are violent if they never face consequences" e: and it's no kind of coincidence that the people who get described as "naturally violent" or "maniacs" or "scum" or whichever phrase the redtops are all using today are almost uniformly working class and/or BAME Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Dec 22, 2019 |
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Jose posted:i hate when anyone associated with labour, in this case Pidcock, try to explain why blair's government is part of the reason we're in this mess is responded to by pundits with "he won 3 elections in a row so stfu" That would be part of why it's his fault, yeah.
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Communist Thoughts posted:are they doing hustings this time around? it kinda sounds like there aren't any really good options but thats not super surprising since that was why we stuck with corbo everyone has some baggage around them and those that didn't just lost their seat. i was wondering why i hadn't heard anything about dan jarvis this time but i see its because he quit being an MP to be a mayor instead labour should go for the horny vote
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Jose posted:my mam saw him give a speech at a law firm christmas party because he was friends wtih one of the partners and apparently he was really bad at it an uncharismatic but had a lot of hangers on because of who he was at the time he seems like he'd be a pretty good lawyer, but not a tv lawyer reminds me of Hillary Benn a bit, they've both somehow ended up with this respect that means parliament generally shuts up while they're talking. It makes them seem like they're powerful convincing speakers when they've just got a cooperative room Jess Phillips gets it a bit too but at least her performative bit is telling people to stfu
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joedevola posted:I'm often perplexed by the insistence on prison abolition as a virtue on the left. Prisons are full of people arrested for drug possession or otherwise harmless crimes against property, and those things can and should be handled differently. But like 1-2% of any given population is always going to be loving maniacs. Nobody with any kind of sense is arguing for the abolition of prisons because even in the most benevolent and equal societies, some people are just dicks. A substantial proportion of our prison population could have been better dealt with by means other than incarceration which are kinder and less expensive, and that would spare more resources for dealing with those who are genuinely harmful. "Lock em all up and throw away the key" is the received wisdom and wins votes though, even if a direct consequence is that our legal system basically rations jail time because it doesn't have enough to allocate.
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baka kaba posted:he seems like he'd be a pretty good lawyer, but not a tv lawyer i mean you'd hope so given he was DPP
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joedevola posted:So if we remove the possibility of incarceration what would we do with them? The idea behind it is that when you look at the causes of violent offences, it tends to be generational* / institutional abuse and lack of opportunity. Properly funded social programmes will get rid of this stuff gradually, until the 1 or 2 percent who have unsolvable antisocial tendencies will be held in secure psychiatric institutes and studied, rather than being shunted into institutions where their malicious tendencies thrive and go unadressed. As for arresting and investigating them you'll need a wing of the reshaped and adequately funded community care system which functions similar to the police, just without the institutional racism, underfunding and recruiting aimed at boot boys who just want to crack heads. The difference is they'll be the last line of action rather than the first. * I'm including parents enouraging working class Tories under this. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Dec 22, 2019 |
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Jose posted:i mean you'd hope so given he was DPP I want my state crimes buried by a charismatic Good Wife antagonist
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joedevola posted:Ok that % was pulled out of my arse but even the most well organized society will have people in it who are just wicked bastards. "What will you do about people like Peter Sutcliffe in a world with no prisons" doesn't really follow from that, because we'd need a world without people like Peter Sutcliffe first, which is why the abolition movement focuses on abolishing the most egregious parts of the prison-industrial system first, not saying "just close them all and let everyone out". Things that don't work like solitary confinement, things that encourage mass incarceration like for-profit prisons and laws that punish the poor, things that increase recidivism like gang violence and denying prisoners access to books. It's not just prisons that need reform, it's the concept of the prison that needs reform. People can't decide if it's there to punish, rehabilitate, or segregate, and so it ends up not being very good at either, and just turns into factories that multiply reoffending.
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joedevola posted:I've long thought that socialism, aligned with -for the want of a less loaded term- strong law and order policies could be a real vote winner. Nationalise the trains and lock up the maniacs. Norway is showing the way; the vast majority of their prison system is based around rehabilitation and they have a ludicrously superior recidivism rate to us, but it's also flexible enough to keep Anders Breivik locked away where he can't radicalise anyone else, until such time as he decides to engage in good faith with what they can do to help him.
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Prisons are not the only places, and arrest is not the only reason, that we keep people isolated from society for the assumed benefit of society.
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Julio Cruz posted:e: and it's no kind of coincidence that the people who get described as "naturally violent" or "maniacs" or "scum" or whichever phrase the redtops are all using today are almost uniformly working class and/or BAME Well, the rich do tend to find other people to do their violence for them.
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kustomkarkommando posted:im naturally a bit cautious about declaring 15 and 16 years olds naturally violent who need a good locking up as there's naught we can do with the wronguns I think we should have a more proactive approach, I don't understand why school nurses aren't taking measurements of the children's heads for till identify evildoers and ne'erdowells at an early stage They could use computers to store the results.
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crispix posted:They could use computers to store the results. It's 2019, the results are coming from inside the computer
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