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Eregos posted:Never count on a democracy undermining power grab by the GOP to turn public opinion against them. If it's already against them it's another matter. But if polling is with them they'll almost always get away with whatever it is. Is there polling evidence that scuttling the trial would be disapproved by more than like 55-45? Because I think that's about the minimum margin where it could possibly start to matter, assuming voters still care by November which they won't. This can work to Democrats' advantage though. Yes, there is https://morningconsult.com/2019/12/20/most-voters-want-senate-to-call-more-witnesses-for-trumps-impeachment-trial/
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Charlz Guybon posted:There were 235,248,000 people eligible to vote in 2012. That numbers got to be over 250 million now. Vote for is not equal to support.
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torgeaux posted:Vote for is not equal to support. Better to say support doesn't equal vote. Way more people support or oppose the president then who will actually vote for or against him.
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Dec 22, 2019 14:21
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Charlz Guybon posted:Better to say support doesn't equal vote. Way more people support or oppose the president then who will actually vote for or against him. No, I'm only discussing the point here, not a broader one. The bad poster said, repeatedly, 100,000,000 people voted for trump. Not supports, supported whatever. And it was in a response to a criticism of people who VOTED for Trump. 100 million people didn't vote for Trump. Vote for and support are not the same thing. One is a fixed number, one is a guess.
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If it were somehow true that 100,000,000 people support Trump, than Balkanization and civil war is inevitable in this country. But there aren't 100,000,000 people that support him and I'd be willing to bet he can't even get to 60,000,000 votes in 2020.
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DrNutt posted:If it were somehow true that 100,000,000 people support Trump, than Balkanization and civil war is inevitable in this country. But there aren't 100,000,000 people that support him and I'd be willing to bet he can't even get to 60,000,000 votes in 2020. I'll post it again since it seemed to have been overlooked. The estimated number is around 250,056,000 in 2016, which is probably going to be 265 million in 2020. Of that only 138,847,000 or 55.7% actually voted in 2016. Trump got 62,984,828 votes or 46.1% compared to the 65,853,514 or 48.2% for Clinton. The polling numbers generally are of likely voters, so with Trump polling at 40-42%. With turnout likely higher this year than in the last several I assume it will be close to the percentage that we saw in 2008 which was the highest in almost 50 years at 58.2%. So for the sake of the argument lets say that turnout will be at 60%, which would be 159 million. 42% of that would be 66,780,000 which seems much more in line for what his numbers are in actuality.
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Dec 22, 2019 17:54
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the pause here while he struggles to come up with this imaginary metaphor lmao https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1208776222123032576 https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1208812121892556802
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Dec 22, 2019 19:14
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eke out posted:the pause here while he struggles to come up with this imaginary metaphor lmao You've been hit by a smooth
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Dec 22, 2019 19:24
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eke out posted:the pause here while he struggles to come up with this imaginary metaphor lmao Hes loving it up. Its this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy
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Dec 22, 2019 20:25
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Fox News: McCarthy suggests that Ratcliffe, Jordan, and Collins represent Trump during Senate Impeachment trialquote:“These are individuals I would actually pull in at the White House,” McCarthy said during an interview on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures.” “You want people that have been through this, understand it, been in the hearings even when they were in the basement.” Tl;dr an incompetent moron suggests three incompetent morons to defend Trump. Not that it matters since this is sadly going to be for show but  .
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refleks posted:You've been hit by a smooth Not surprising considering he's probably inbred and given a gently caress ton of moon shine as a kid
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I wonder if Graham's Faustian bargain is making him look terrible.
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refleks posted:You've been hit by a smooth Lindsey are you okay? Are you okay Lindsey?
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Rauros posted:I wonder if Graham's Faustian bargain is making him look terrible. There's a picture of him that's looking pretty terrible, anyway.
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Rauros posted:I wonder if Graham's Faustian bargain is making him look terrible.
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eke out posted:the pause here while he struggles to come up with this imaginary metaphor lmao
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Dec 23, 2019 03:55
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InsertPotPun posted:"guys this impeachment thing is a dead cat you just keep playing with and playing with until the pieces start to fall off and the eyes that used to judge you finally stop their staring staring staring. and we just need to move on as a nation like a hooker in my crawl space." god, if graham is the republican John Wayne Gacy, i wouldnt be surprised.
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Dec 23, 2019 04:00
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nah people actually liked and respected gacy
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Dapper_Swindler posted:god, if graham is the republican John Wayne Gacy, i wouldnt be surprised. If the GOP is full of serial killers (it is), then Lindsey Graham is the equivalent of Paul Dano's character in Prisoners, or maybe Henry Lee Lucas.
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Dec 23, 2019 04:27
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Limbaugh called him Lindsey Grant Amnesty, or Grahamnesty, for his support of W. Bush's immigration reform plan. I've also heard him called Lindsey Instagraham for using that platform. Maybe combine them into Lindsey Instagrahamnesty? I think after McCain died and he saw Trump's approval ratings recover somewhat in 2018, he realized 'oh poo poo, I'm gonna need to win a Republican primary in 2020 to be re-elected South Carolina Senator, the party won't turn against Trump, and the base is loving crazy now. I'm in extra deep since I attacked Trump. Only way for me to hold on to power is to try and make up for it by being extra partisan now. I can't have any influence on the party if I'm not in office.' I think a lot of elected Republicans think this way. Numerous former Republicans have admitted to some version of this self-justification.
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Eregos posted:Limbaugh called him Lindsey Grant Amnesty, or Grahamnesty, for his support of W. Bush's immigration reform plan. I've also heard him called Lindsey Instagraham for using that platform. Maybe combine them into Lindsey Instagrahamnesty? The problem with that is if none of them stand up for the party and their beliefs then they don't have any influence on the party as it is. The Senate Republicans especially have had plenty of cover to break with Trump on many, many issues not including impeachment and haven't. I am sure that most members think that this is a temporary thing and they just have to weather the storm until Trump is gone. It really is amazing to me that all of these politicians are scared of being called names or bashed by Trump or idiots like Limbaugh. The problem is they let these losers think that they are more powerful than they actually are. If they put them in their place from time to time they wouldn't have the problem they currently have.
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Djarum posted:The problem with that is if none of them stand up for the party and their beliefs then they don't have any influence on the party as it is. The Senate Republicans especially have had plenty of cover to break with Trump on many, many issues not including impeachment and haven't. I am sure that most members think that this is a temporary thing and they just have to weather the storm until Trump is gone. They don't give a poo poo, they just want their oligarchy and don't really care if that comes with overt fascism
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Smeef posted:If the GOP is full of serial killers (it is), then Lindsey Graham is the equivalent of Paul Dano's character in Prisoners, or maybe Henry Lee Lucas. i am too much of sad true crime nerd to agree with that. Henry lee lucas would be more gohmert. graham is smartish who would compartmentilize super hard and bury the victims in his crawl space. Djarum posted:The problem with that is if none of them stand up for the party and their beliefs then they don't have any influence on the party as it is. The Senate Republicans especially have had plenty of cover to break with Trump on many, many issues not including impeachment and haven't. I am sure that most members think that this is a temporary thing and they just have to weather the storm until Trump is gone. this. i also think alot of them fear the base and trump more than the rest of the country. the have been catering to these fuckheads for so long, they forgot the rest of us exist. well the remember enough to try to supress votes but you know what i mean.
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Djarum posted:I am sure that most members think that this is a temporary thing and they just have to weather the storm until Trump is gone. Whereas you can look at 6 year Senate terms as empowering some independence over the president and house, I think we are seeing the opposite exactly like you say. Party is probably thinking if they just win their next election they are going to outlast Trump
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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1209176718772187141 haven't read through this yet but i assume he'll admit to a crime or two in this story edit: holy poo poo lol quote:As we sped uptown, he spoke in monologue about the scandal he co-created, weaving one made-up talking point into another and another. He said former ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, whom he calls Santa Maria Yovanovitch, is “controlled” by George Soros. “He put all four ambassadors there. And he’s employing the FBI agents.” I told him he sounded crazy, but he insisted he wasn’t.
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and, while still unlikely, "the only president to ever be impeached twice" is perhaps more likely than any previous time in history https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1209176849856835585
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this. i also think alot of them fear the base and trump more than the rest of the country. the have been catering to these fuckheads for so long, they forgot the rest of us exist. well the remember enough to try to supress votes but you know what i mean. I think it is a mixture of them not controlling the bullshit hose anymore and the GOP effectively wasting the power of an elected official's voice/opinion on something. Even 20-25 years ago when a member of Congress or a Senator would express an opinion about something it was taken seriously and a lot of weight was given to it. Hell remember how entire industries would bend over backwards if an elected official would talk about them? 30 years now of stupidity, outright lies and frankly the 24 Hour News Cycle has made that power basically disappear. They also gave up their power to RWM by elevating them higher than themselves. Crazyweasel posted:Whereas you can look at 6 year Senate terms as empowering some independence over the president and house, I think we are seeing the opposite exactly like you say. Party is probably thinking if they just win their next election they are going to outlast Trump The question would be if they do win re-election would they then feel comfortable enough to push back against him in any substantial way? Being able to survive after the election will be the ability to distance themselves from him and quickly. I don't know how many of them will be able to achieve that.
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eke out posted:and, while still unlikely, "the only president to ever be impeached twice" is perhaps more likely than any previous time in history so they are thinking of just keeping these on hold and than dropping more and than sending them to the senate?
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doug jones walking back his "gaps" line https://twitter.com/DougJones/status/1209220383162978311?s=20
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I said it before and I'll say it again. Doug Jones is a smart enough dude to know his only shot at reelection is Trump going down in flames. He may be careful with how he says it, but he's 100% on board the convict trump train
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oxsnard posted:I said it before and I'll say it again. Doug Jones is a smart enough dude to know his only shot at reelection is Trump going down in flames. He may be careful with how he says it, but he's 100% on board the convict trump train its also the fact that the republican race in Alabama might be a giant poo poo show. again.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its also the fact that the republican race in Alabama might be a giant poo poo show. again. I think he would've lost against the child rapist had it been a normal Trump election year though, so it's probably not wise to count on that pulling you through
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oxsnard posted:I think he would've lost against the child rapist had it been a normal Trump election year though, so it's probably not wise to count on that pulling you through he would have lost to sessions or strange easy. the issue is moore is dumb pervert psycho. now it will be pervert vs sessions.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he would have lost to sessions or strange easy. the issue is moore is dumb pervert psycho. now it will be pervert vs sessions. Is Trump going to endorse Sessions? Hard to see that after their relationship in DC. Isn't there some other local politician running? He'll probably endorse that guy.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is Trump going to endorse Sessions? Hard to see that after their relationship in DC. He'll give the same half-assed generic endorsement on twitter he gives all the nobodies.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he would have lost to sessions or strange easy. the issue is moore is dumb pervert psycho. now it will be pervert vs sessions. Someone with money needs to buy every billboard/commercial in alabama in the reddest district and just repeat things trump said about sessions.
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FizFashizzle posted:Someone with money needs to buy every billboard/commercial in alabama in the reddest district and just repeat things trump said about sessions. I don't think you even need that, Moore is a rapist but he will latch heavily onto every article and speech where Trump tore into Sessions and have that running the airways 24/7 and even if he loses Sessions will be bathed in the poo poo from it. He already failed in the DOJ to many of the trump supporters, so working up the energy to vote for him will be harder.
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FizFashizzle posted:Someone with money needs to buy every billboard/commercial in alabama in the reddest district and just repeat things trump said about sessions. Someone with money needs to just buy billboard/commercials in red districts and run truth/things Trump said and/or did. Frankly it Steyer or Bloomberg did that with the millions of dollars they are spending it would do more good.
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So, is there a possibility of the House stacking impeachment articles before sending them to the Senate? Say, for the sake of example, the House has 2-3 impeachable offenses before the Senate gets to start? And what do you think the pressure on the Senate would do, politically, if this happened?
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SpeakSlow posted:So, is there a possibility of the House stacking impeachment articles before sending them to the Senate? Say, for the sake of example, the House has 2-3 impeachable offenses before the Senate gets to start? The pressure on the Senate would not be meaningfully different from what it is today without a black swan event. More crimes on the list wouldn't change the current acquittal plan.
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