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Doctor Malaver posted:- She announced that some successful and important privately owned companies will be nationalized. That you think nationalisation of any sort is ipso facto a sign of communism is...a hot take.
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Doctor Malaver posted:- She announced that some successful and important privately owned companies will be nationalized. I like the cut of her jib.
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feedmegin posted:That you think nationalisation of any sort is ipso facto a sign of communism is...a hot take. Yeah state centralisation is technically state socialism but a lot of people do socialism=communism. At least people aren't doing the communism=Judaism poo poo anymore. Much.
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Doctor Malaver posted:- She announced that some successful and important privately owned companies will be nationalized. Really? Because all I can see is RF wants to "socialise" companies that break the law when it comes to tax avoidance, wage theft and enviromental regulations. And that's a good thing. quote:- She's the candidate of the party named Worker's Front. Good. quote:- They fly red flags with yellow hammer and sickle. Their logo is not that. quote:- RF's Mate Kapović was recorded explaining to an inner circle of party members that they have to approach small business owners by saying that they were against big business. However once RF takes power, all private owned business will be the enemy. Later the video disappeared from YT and dissenting members were thrown out. He never apologized or explained and is still in the party leadership. That's not in their program. quote:- Bringing down capitalism is literally in the party long term program. Nope. That's not in their long term program. quote:- They routinely criticize successful and popular Croatian business people (regardless of how happy their employees are) just because they are exponents of capitalism. Which are those? Also, company that mistreats its employees is not a successful company.
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*worker walks out to podium covered in whip marks and bruises* "we are treated very well here and we would be sad if you nationalised us. please don't do that"
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Tesseraction posted:*worker walks out to podium covered in whip marks and bruises* "we are treated very well here and we would be sad if you nationalised us. please don't do that" I'm fairly close to security sector, and I've heard horror stories when people are working 250+ hours monthly. I also personally know a case of a security guard that had almost 400 hours in a single month. And an hour of overtime is paid less than a normal regular hour. So if those companies get nationalised, no one will shed a tear.
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Tito was born in modern Croatia so it would be fitting for the revolution to restart there.
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Only revolution here will be some hyper-nationalist horror show. Because it's easier to work grueling hours for peanuts and then blame commies, Tito, Yugoslavia, perfidious serbs, EU and muslamic immigrants then actually trying to change the system.
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Gervasius posted:Really? Because all I can see is RF wants to "socialise" companies that break the law when it comes to tax avoidance, wage theft and enviromental regulations. And that's a good thing. Really, she said that on NovaTV. quote:Their logo is not that. I didn't say it was their logo, I said they fly those flags. quote:That's not in their program. I didn't say it was in their program, I said it was in their leader's instructions. quote:Nope. That's not in their long term program. https://www.radnickafronta.hr/o-radnickoj-fronti/programski-principi "Budući da je navedeno najoštrije u sukobu s principima kapitalističkog sustava, kao i interesima vladajuće klase i političke elite, ostvarenje tih ciljeva moguće je samo pod pretpostavkom njegovog rušenja." > Since the aforementioned is in stark contrast with the principles of the capitalist system, as well as the interests of the ruling class and the political elite, realization of those goals [RF's goals] is possible only in we assume the destruction of it [the capitalist system]. quote:Which are those? Also, company that mistreats its employees is not a successful company. I saw them attack Rimac and Tedeschi.
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Doctor Malaver posted:I saw them attack Rimac and Tedeschi. lmao you're such a loving bootlicker
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So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Is that the first time he won a vote?
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Orange Devil posted:Is that the first time he won a vote?
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D. Ebdrup posted:I think I remember from the UKMT thread that he won one other vote about something completely inconsequential that got turned around/pulled because the second reading got demolished? He won two votes. One on an environmental protection bill that was tabled from an age ago, and the one which allowed an election to be called.
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Dec 20, 2019 22:00
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Boris has defeated the EU in open combat.
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Nonsense posted:Boris has defeated the EU in open combat.
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Nonsense posted:Boris has defeated the EU in open combat. If that's victory, I hate to imagine what defeat would be.
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Cat Mattress posted:If that's victory, I hate to imagine what defeat would be. Well you should've seen the other guy!
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Cat Mattress posted:If that's victory, I hate to imagine what defeat would be.
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Heiko Maas in November: https://www.european-views.com/2019/11/nato-lives-from-head-to-toe/ quote:Without America, Europe simply would not be able to defend itself. America, defending Europe from the nefarious Russians: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1441 quote:Protecting Europe's Energy Security Act of 2019 Heiko Maas in December: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-12/germany-tells-trump-not-to-meddle-in-europe-s-energy-issues quote:European energy policy must be decided in Europe, not the U.S. We fundamentally reject outside intervention and sanctions with extraterritorial effect.
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I have never understood how Germany, even today still, is blind to the many ways this is a bad idea.
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What's a bad idea? Buying energy from a dictatorship that uses your money to subvert and undermine your democracy? This never stopped anyone from buying oil from the Saudi.
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Cat Mattress posted:What's a bad idea? Buying energy from a dictatorship that uses your money to subvert and undermine your democracy? That's a bad idea, yes. It's also part of the reason why Germany wants to source its gas from Russia instead of buying the liquified natural gas the US is trying to aggressively ship to Europe.
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belgium update: a professor of social work and law declared that belgium is "virtually bankrupt" so I don't expect us to split in the next few months. After all, we don't have the money for it  . I also expect more tax cuts and spending cuts to boost the economy. Though it's hard to improve on their current bullseye, where the flemish (=regional) government cut the budget for the suicide hotline as well as for the centres for mental health. Oh, and budget cuts for centers that provide guidance and trauma healing for victims of child abuse. But you know, it's fair because we all have to tighten our belts and all departments are asked to reduce spending.
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Germany could just, you know, turn the nuclear plants back on and build some more instead of burning loving natural gas shipped from Russia but what do I know.
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Randler posted:That's a bad idea, yes. It's also part of the reason why Germany wants to source its gas from Russia instead of buying the liquified natural gas the US is trying to aggressively ship to Europe. Natural gas is a terrible idea politically speaking either way. It's pure putting economics ahead of security and climate.
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Celexi posted:Germany could just, you know, turn the nuclear plants back on and build some more instead of burning loving natural gas shipped from Russia but what do I know. Bringing Russia back into the fold of European democracy would be a net good, while there is a risk of Russian gas turning off, the long term goal of not having a pariah on the border would be helpful
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Bringing Russia back into the fold of European democracy would be a net good, while there is a risk of Russian gas turning off, the long term goal of not having a pariah on the border would be helpful Whoa, are you trying to incite a "CIA backed color revolution/coup" in Russia? Settle down there before lowtax gets a dose of polonium or nerve gas GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Bringing Russia back into the fold of European democracy would be a net good, while there is a risk of Russian gas turning off, the long term goal of not having a pariah on the border would be helpful I fail to see how European nations expanding their sources of Russia energy does anything other than enrich Putin and his cronies. If anything, it strengthens his regime further and prevents any kind of democratic shift in Russia.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Bringing Russia back into the fold of European democracy would be a net good, while there is a risk of Russian gas turning off, the long term goal of not having a pariah on the border would be helpful can't bring russia back to something that it was never a part of
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MinisterSinister posted:I fail to see how European nations expanding their sources of Russia energy does anything other than enrich Putin and his cronies. If anything, it strengthens his regime further and prevents any kind of democratic shift in Russia. Cutting russia out of european energy markets is a bad deal. Russia needs the bux. If this was a choice between further invasion of ukraine or giving russia cash what would you choose?
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MinisterSinister posted:I fail to see how European nations expanding their sources of Russia energy does anything other than enrich Putin and his cronies. If anything, it strengthens his regime further and prevents any kind of democratic shift in Russia. What is the alternative scenario? If the EU further limits economic ties with Russia, it gives Putin and his cronies a wonderful propaganda tool, and will certainly de-enrich the general Russian population far more, relatively speaking, than any oligarchs. How is this going to lead to further democratization and possible friendship with Europe? Not selling the perfidious slav precious European cheese doesn't seem at first glance to do much for anyone's foreign policy goals than the US's. (Of course it would help if Russia had something other to sell than energy products, but here we are!) That said, you do have a good point that Putin is a major block to any kind of democratization process, but outside of outright assassinating the dude there doesn't seem to be a way to be rid of him, and due to there not being any apparent heir to his, whatever the hell it is, after his death there would likely be some kind of power struggle that would be far from democratic, and we're stuck with Putin 2.0 : double the crazy, double the fun!
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Rappaport posted:What is the alternative scenario? If the EU further limits economic ties with Russia, it gives Putin and his cronies a wonderful propaganda tool, and will certainly de-enrich the general Russian population far more, relatively speaking, than any oligarchs. How is this going to lead to further democratization and possible friendship with Europe? Not selling the perfidious slav precious European cheese doesn't seem at first glance to do much for anyone's foreign policy goals than the US's. (Of course it would help if Russia had something other to sell than energy products, but here we are!) It doesn't matter what the EU does or doesn't do, the Russian state media creates narratives as needed on command. This process is almost completely decoupled from facts or reality. The only sanctions that the EU has put on Russia are on some financial products and oil/gas drilling equipment. Together with the NATO rapid response team and the military exercises these are supposed to act as a deterrent against any attacks on EU members and build trust in the Eastern European population. I dunno if we can reconcile with Russia, but the security of EU members shouldn't depend on the success of our big wacky adventure in friendshipmaking so the sanctions and NATO forces need to stay as they are.
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Vladimir Putin was born in 1952. He'll be 72 at the end of his current term in 2024. How long do you suppose he'll remain in power, directly or indirectly, after that? The EU should prepare the post-Putin relationship.
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Hes a billionaire that doesn't drink or smoke and kept a pretty active life, dudes gonna live until he's 90. On the other hand I'm pretty sure every world leader is on a cocktail of amphetamines and/or benzos so who knows.
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Considering lots of the likely candidates for the next American president are 10+ years older than Putin, and live or have lived far unhealthier lifestyles, planning for any sort of retirement for him is rather premature. He'll be ruling Russia well into the 2030s if its just reliant on his age/health.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Croatian presidential elections are on Sunday. Milanović (30%) and KGK (27%) are going to the second round. Kolakušić underperformed but came fourth. Juričan came fifth and did better than polls were showing. Didn't surprise me since most of the people I know voted for him. Very broadly speaking, total right vote 51%, total left vote 39%, total chaos vote 8%.
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I'm assuming Metal Communist came dead last. Still fair play to Milanovic for outperforming the crap nazi because she bled votes to the turbo nazi.
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