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Regarde Aduck posted:Unless they actually send in the military Scotland is gone. They'll just leave unilaterally. I didn't think they would ever be able to justify that but now we have Boris Johnson as pm. How do envisage that working ? I've not seen a poll showing a majority in support of independence despite all the poo poo that has gone down recently
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Regarde Aduck posted:Unless they actually send in the military Scotland is gone. They'll just leave unilaterally. I didn't think they would ever be able to justify that but now we have Boris Johnson as pm. You need parliament to approve a referendum and it is in the Tories interest to campaign on preserving the union. Also. Being that they have no prob with the occupation of Northern Ireland. I would not put it past them on military occupation.
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Crowsbeak posted:You need parliament to approve a referendum and it is in the Tories interest to campaign on preserving the union. Also. Being that they have no prob with the occupation of Northern Ireland. I would not put it past them on military occupation. how much of the uks landmass is in Scotland? 20-30%? Saying your going to occupy it is one thing, actually doing it is iffy
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occupying scotland would prob give the gammons the next hit of imperialist fantasy that they need to feel like they're winning
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SpaceGoku posted:occupying scotland would prob give the gammons the next hit of imperialist fantasy that they need to feel like they're winning and bojo his churchill moment
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unilateral declaration of independence would be a very risky move, i can't see the SNP going for it. they're very comfortable as things stand. maybe if a new, harder nationalist party starts coming at them in favour of unilateralism, but atm i think they've got that tendency pretty much sewn up
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Dec 23, 2019 01:53
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the snp have the golden goose of politics right now, why kill it
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Scotland has no means to leave. William Wallace told them to choose Freedom the first chance they got, and they were arrogant and said No centuries later when the Tories got soft. Either Scotland crashes out of the union or you are forever slaves.
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redleader posted:nah, because then spain will outright block them from ever getting into the eu Spain has made it beyond clear they will block any separatist movement's state from joining the EU if they splinter from an EU member state. After Jan 31 the Spain declaration no longer applies to Scotland.
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endlessmonotony posted:Spain has made it beyond clear they will block any separatist movement's state from joining the EU if they splinter from an EU member state. :goodnewseveryone:
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Scotland joined the union in the first place because they went bankrupt after they tried to become a colonial empire by starting a colony in the most inhospitable jungle on the American continent. They are the only European country to have paid for the crimes of imperialism and they have suffered long enough.
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I am ready to fight* for Scotland *tweet
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Sure, you all make fun of the Americans wearing kilts and mentioning their clan now. But when it comes time to hunker down and fight for Scotland's freedom who will your leaders be grifting money from?
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endlessmonotony posted:Spain has made it beyond clear they will block any separatist movement's state from joining the EU if they splinter from an EU member state. nah, they'd still block it. why wouldn't they?
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Dec 23, 2019 03:52
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because gently caress the english thats why
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redleader posted:nah, they'd still block it. why wouldn't they? ... are you, like, brand new to the situation? The entire EU situation is being rewritten to start with "First and foremost gently caress perfidious Albion". Spain wants a cudgel against Catalonia and them pretending to apply the same rules to everyone works in their favor if they insist their problem with Scottish independence was breaking up an EU nation. Siding with England is the last thing anyone somewhat sane wants to do, so Spain has positioned themselves so they can tell both England and Catalonia to gently caress off while looking like they're following a perfectly reasonable set of rules. They haven't said they'll support Scotland mind, because they're keeping their options open.
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if nobody could secede and join the EU then they never would’ve let Slovenia in
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In the end whether or not Spain lets Scotland into the EU will depend on whether or not they think it will help them gain gibraltar
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:if nobody could secede and join the EU then they never would’ve let Slovenia in Kosovo would be a better comparison.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Scotland joined the union in the first place because they went bankrupt after they tried to become a colonial empire by starting a colony in the most inhospitable jungle on the American continent. They are the only European country to have paid for the crimes of imperialism and they have suffered long enough.
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Zane posted:scotland were copartners in the british empire with the english from 1707. and they profited mightily from the partnership for over 200 years. On one hand fair enough (though that would apply to a number of other EU nations), but on the other, well, I don't think there was a sovereign nation of Scotland capable of forming their own foreign policy in 1707. Or since then, for that matter.
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i hope the corpse ziggurat is realized, and it's privately owned by a US company, and costs thousands to get into, and if you dont opt for it you can only keep the body at home
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I was born in scotland, never lived there since I was 2, and now im frantically looking up tartan patterns to see if any trigger some repressed memory I can use to find a family to adopt me
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tote up a bags posted:I was born in scotland, never lived there since I was 2, and now im frantically looking up tartan patterns to see if any trigger some repressed memory I can use to find a family to adopt me Scottishness is passed on through the male genes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHA1ufmLZQY
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OhFunny posted:Kosovo would be a better comparison. I thought this was a reference to the de facto preferential status given to slovenia when yugoslavia existed, which was intended as a wedge that would damage the bloc and get rid of competition next door which worked famously well
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"Welcome to the desert of post socialism: radical politics and unnecessarily long book titles after yugoslavia" is a great book but if Id read it during the brex referendum im certain I'd have voted leave out of hate Everyone should read it before the EU starts re-enacting their fave bits btw
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Nonsense posted:Scotland has no means to leave. William Wallace told them to choose Freedom the first chance they got, and they were arrogant and said No centuries later when the Tories got soft. gently caress you scotland will finally get independence ye sassanach oval office!!!!
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jesus loving christ
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lookit that loving graph
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Der Meister posted:jesus loving christ I'm sad looking at the Bernie threads because if he gets to be the Dem candidate then it's going to be even harder against him. I'd say it's possible that some formats just pretend that an election isn't happening, or that Trump is running unopposed somehow.
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namesake posted:or that Trump is running unopposed somehow. speaking of such a hypothetical, not being an american I genuinely don't know what would happen if Trump decided he wanted to run for a third term (if he wins a second) would the "uh, no, you're not allowed to" in the 22nd amendment have to go through both halves of congress? what's the actual mechanism to stop someone that the party unilaterally believes to be the second coming of christ to continue being president after two terms?
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namesake posted:I'm sad looking at the Bernie threads because if he gets to be the Dem candidate then it's going to be even harder against him. We're ready. Honestly the DNC and succdems are the biggest obstacle to Bernie's White House. More than Trump ever will be.
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Kazinsal posted:speaking of such a hypothetical, not being an american I genuinely don't know what would happen if Trump decided he wanted to run for a third term (if he wins a second) public outrage and other constitutional officers, congress and the military not recognizing his authority so basically 50/50 odds of anything happening lol
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D.Ork Bimboolean posted:We're ready. Still laughing about the Bernie plummets to first article in the New York Times.
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Trump wouldnt get past ballot access laws which are per state and all of which require fulfilling constitutional requirements such as natural born citizenship and XXII
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also formally getting rid of presidential term limits would require a constitutional amendment, a process that requires 2/3 supermajority support in both houses and then ratification by 3/4 of the state legislatures in the improbable hypothetical god emperor trump scenario, it's more like that there's an insane scotus ruling declaring a term limit amended into the constitution as unconstitutional or the legal documents are simply ignored
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Kazinsal posted:speaking of such a hypothetical, not being an american I genuinely don't know what would happen if Trump decided he wanted to run for a third term (if he wins a second) Relin has issued a correction as of 12:29 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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