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Just saw an interview with Cavill talking about Geralt and he's describing what a Witcher is etc and there's multiple things I realised they just didn't bother to explain to the audience. He talks about potions and describes how after consuming a potion Geralt might be able to hear a pin drop, people talking through multiple walls, or how a potion can change him so much there's a point in the books where he has to force himself to stay dead still so someone can't realise just how fast he can now move and we never are told any of this, we just see him drink a drink and his eyes get a bit veiny. I think if we'd seen how super human he can get it would have really built up just how other he is compared to regular people. As discussed the magic is also never explained he just force pushes some people at one point and that's our introduction to it. The whole two swords thing isn't covered either and I know it's kind of a small detail but I think him just stating I have two swords one for people one for monsters would have been nice. The audience is told that Geralt and witchers are emotionless when in actuality this is just a rumour witchers let people believe. But I can see the audience being very confused when Geralt actually shows he cares about people etc. He ages slow and we don't really get any indication of this. He's like in his 80s by the end of the season. I think that's the result of the time skipping being done poorly, it's hardly clear that ~30 years pass between Yen being made a mage and the present with Ciri. Have Geralt go on an adventure with someone and then in an episode further on in the season have that same person be an old man or woman. I think this show just does a poor job of building up just what a Witcher is, what they're capable of, the lore behind them etc. Cavill seems to get it but I don't think the show runners do. Geralt really just feels like a guy who's good with a sword, more like a samurai/ Ronin character who chooses solitude and they've failed to show that no actually he's very different to humans (showing people age around him would help this) and that isolates him from the world. We'll likely get a bunch of this in season 2 when he gets to kaer morhen but a lot of it should have been covered already.
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Dec 23, 2019 05:44
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Rocksicles posted:Did they choose an older actress for Ciri so she didn't age out of the story? Probably so they can portray her growing up through the saga without having to recast. The actress is 18, I think? And portrayed a 12 year old Ciri this season. By the end of the books/game timeline Ciri is about 19. e: they did age her up a bit in general as well, i think. ciri is young af at the start of the books. e2: re: lack of witcher exposition this season, i imagine we'll be getting a lot of that (as well as geralt's backstory with the trials, probably) when we spend time at Kaer Morhen next season e3: oh you said that already lmbo esperterra fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Dec 23, 2019 05:56
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I think they’re trying to go for broad market, non-thinking viewers at this point in a show that features a bunch of titties, magic, and fancy swordplay. Talking about potion recipes isn’t gonna hook my parents, for example, and I bet those sorts of things will be relegated as nods to the game/book audience. Or become a big part of Ciri’s training Remember it’s essentially trying to eclipse Game of Thrones, a show that was going downhill for more than half of its entire televised run.
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Dec 23, 2019 06:00
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jokes posted:I think they’re trying to go for broad market, non-thinking viewers at this point in a show that features a bunch of titties, magic, and fancy swordplay. Talking about potion recipes isn’t gonna hook my parents, for example, and I bet those sorts of things will be relegated as nods to the game/book audience. Or become a big part of Ciri’s training Thing is I'm not really expecting them to have Geralt sit down for an episode and go over every little detail but say with the potions it wouldnt be too hard for him to say "I'm hunting ____, this potion will help" then him drinking it, you see him twitch around as he hears the scratching of a mouse walking along a beam of a barn across the street, something like that. Or as someone suggested earlier when Yen asks him about his magic just have him demonstrate once how he needs to do a sign or what have you, he creates a gust of air that blows her top off and boom you covered that. But yea I guess I just don't want this to be Game of Thrones so the more witcher stuff they put in the happier I'll be. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Dec 23, 2019 06:07
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jokes posted:I think they’re trying to go for broad market, non-thinking viewers at this point in a show that features a bunch of titties, magic, and fancy swordplay. Talking about potion recipes isn’t gonna hook my parents, for example, and I bet those sorts of things will be relegated as nods to the game/book audience. Or become a big part of Ciri’s training I don't think a five minute scene showing how the protagonist works is going to drive away casuals
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Dec 23, 2019 06:08
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Arglebargle III posted:Most publications had it as game of the year 2015. If you like story rich RPGs it's one of the best. From 5 pages ago, but it's the only witcher game I've played (never read the books either) and I finished it a week ago or so. 150 hours, all of them enjoyable. The blood and wine DLC was a ton of fun. A+, will play again
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Dec 23, 2019 06:19
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JBP posted:I don't think a five minute scene showing how the protagonist works is going to drive away casuals Personally I think they're saving all that stuff for Ciri's training it seems the time to make the most narrative sense.
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Dec 23, 2019 06:28
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Geralt was the only good part of the show. Blew all the CGI budget on the opening fight with the swamp thing, CW actors and actresses, terrible writing full of clunky exposition. Too many flashbacks and the timeline didn't need to bounce back and forth. Cheap production standards too. Nilfgaards armor sets looked like wrinkled balls. Yenn picks the cheapest looking dress out of the ones they got on loan. Tons of shots in the forest. Padded scenes with too much dialogue. It's like they're afraid that the show was going to get canceled if they didn't get the audience to fully understand the world of the Witcher within 8 episodes. This felt more like Carnival Row than it did Game of Thrones.
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Dec 23, 2019 06:28
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jokes posted:Personally I think they're saving all that stuff for Ciri's training it seems the time to make the most narrative sense. He dedicates a good amount of time to preparation before the striga in the books. Seems it would make sense to understand what the protagonist does for a job during the first season.
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Dec 23, 2019 06:31
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Finished it up. I liked it. Didn't love it, but I liked it. I think they nailed Geralt, Yen, and Jaskier's (Dandelion) characters. Wish there was more monster hunting and research and stuff. Hoping we'll get more of that stuff in the second season. Also looking forward to how they portray the other Witchers.
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Dec 23, 2019 06:35
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Yeah it's not great.
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Dec 23, 2019 06:42
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The following types of scenes are good: -Geralt hunting a monster -Geralt complaining about hunting monsters -Other people talking about Geralt hunting monsters -Geralt owning people for talking about him -Geralt laying pipe everything else is at best a bad but needed break to the above
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Dec 23, 2019 06:46
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Solice Kirsk posted:Finished it up. I liked it. Didn't love it, but I liked it. I think they nailed Geralt, Yen, and Jaskier's (Dandelion) characters. Wish there was more monster hunting and research and stuff. Hoping we'll get more of that stuff in the second season. Also looking forward to how they portray the other Witchers. Pretty much my entire take after finishing s1 tonight. I know a "sword and sorcery" fantasy show isnt going to get 22 episode seasons any more, but hot drat wouldn't this be a sweet bit of IP for a "monster of the week" show?
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Dec 23, 2019 06:52
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physeter posted:I like the show, but it's a little sad that live actors don't hold a candle to the "acting" of the cartoon characters in Witcher 3. I will forgive them if they somehow get Jocko Willink to appear as Letho of Gulet in season 2. MyAnna Burning was in both tho.
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Dec 23, 2019 07:01
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hobbesmaster posted:Yrden seems like it would’ve solved issues in several fights. I'm only through episode 4 but in the books Geralt uses Yrden to seal the sarcophagus to prevent the striga from getting into it, which he also does in the show (and in the show he also uses the same spell to stop her from fleeing the room they're fighting in). It being a lightning trap was a game adaptation I think.
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Dec 23, 2019 07:06
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Gimme that original soundtrack Netflix. I want that orchestral version of Sweet Kiss that plays during episode 6 when Geralt and Yen reconcile.
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Dec 23, 2019 07:09
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Voted Goku, discovered Goku isn't winning, smdh TV IV is the worst
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Dec 23, 2019 09:07
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jokes posted:Personally I think they're saving all that stuff for Ciri's training it seems the time to make the most narrative sense. The series is called The Witcher, the primary protagonist is a witcher, surely even just summarizing what a witcher is or does within the first couple of episodes would make the most narrative sense. Even the video games figured out that this is a good idea.
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Dec 23, 2019 09:14
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I'm just listing fish that I know.
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Dec 23, 2019 09:45
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QuarkJets posted:The series is called The Witcher, the primary protagonist is a witcher, surely even just summarizing what a witcher is or does within the first couple of episodes would make the most narrative sense. Even the video games figured out that this is a good idea. I think one of the thing that defines the style of the witcher books is the random bits of exposition/anecdotes that flesh out the world. The show is missing that style sorely.
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Dec 23, 2019 10:39
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I have never played the video games, never read anything about the video games, didn't know it was a book, and started watching this show and I'm on episode 5 and I still have no idea what the gently caress a "Witcher" is. At first I thought it was a male witch (you know, like sorcerer/sorceress) but now it's looking more like they are just hired goons trained with magic or whatever. Anyway I don't want any spoilers but what the gently caress is up with the timeline because it's confusing as gently caress. The way I currently understand it is (again spoilers through episode 5): 30 years ago Yennefer began her training because I think she had a throwaway line about wiping asses for 30 years when she was in the cart? 10-20 years ago Geralt met the bard because I thought he said something about adventuring together for a decade? I guess around this time they go to Cintra and Geralt meets the queen and gets promised Ciri which totally isn't creepy at all. Today/start of the show Cintra is ransacked and Ciri runs away. Geralt is fishing for the djinn and the bard runs into him. They both meet Yennefer and she saves the bard. Did I get that right?
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Dec 23, 2019 10:39
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Boris Galerkin posted:I have never played the video games, never read anything about the video games, didn't know it was a book, and started watching this show and I'm on episode 5 and I still have no idea what the gently caress a "Witcher" is. At first I thought it was a male witch (you know, like sorcerer/sorceress) but now it's looking more like they are just hired goons trained with magic or whatever. I think its pretty much that order. In the stories that the episodes are based on, they are all about Geralt and the other characters are introduced along his timeline, which i think would've felt a little more natural.
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Dec 23, 2019 10:44
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Vilgefartz posted:I think its pretty much that order. In the stories that the episodes are based on, they are all about Geralt and the other characters are introduced along his timeline, which i think would've felt a little more natural. Is there a reason why the characters don't visibly age, like is it just how the world is due to magic or something or laziness on Netflix's part and the fact that it would give away the nonlinear timeline?
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Dec 23, 2019 10:49
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Witchers age slowly because magic/mutation, sorceresses can live very long because magic, and maintain their young appearance because, roughly quoting the books, 'they make themselves beautiful because the prestige of their profession demands it' or something.
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Dec 23, 2019 10:53
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I think elves are given more explanation and backstory than witchers in the first season of The Witcher
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Dec 23, 2019 11:00
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Geralt is like 75 years old
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Dec 23, 2019 11:02
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Boris Galerkin posted:Is there a reason why the characters don't visibly age, like is it just how the world is due to magic or something or laziness on Netflix's part and the fact that it would give away the nonlinear timeline? yes, it's not laziness Witchers age much more slowly than humans, nobody is sure how long their life spans are because none ever die of natural causes, but they can last for at least several hundred years without a noticeable decline in physical abilities or presenting an apparent age beyond 40-50 or so, sorceresses/mages/wizards/etc. are potentially even more long-lived and also have the ability to alter and fix their appearance though there is no known non-lazy explanation of why Geralt always has the same horse at different points in his timeline - in the novels/games his horse is always called Roach, but that's just because he names a bunch of them the same thing
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Dec 23, 2019 11:04
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QuarkJets posted:The series is called The Witcher, the primary protagonist is a witcher, surely even just summarizing what a witcher is or does within the first couple of episodes would make the most narrative sense. Even the video games figured out that this is a good idea. The series doesn't have to tell this since it shows what a witcher is and does in the first few episodes and later on we even get some flashbacks to Geralt's childhood. There isn't really all that much to a monster-hunter-for-hire career; if anything what could be helpful is a Grimm-type Monster Compendium so we can learn more about the other mutants and beings in this world. Blasted through the series over the weekend, really fun if somewhat underwritten sword & sorcery tales. Much like a D&D campaign, there's just enough plot to connect the action sequences while leaving room for future adventures and political intrigue. Also reminds me of Zatoichi - lone fighter travelling the road without a big overall plan; and everywhere he goes he leaves a pile of bodies in his wake LOL. And a survivor or two who learn a valuable lesson about dealing with a witcher and their own inner demon.
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Dec 23, 2019 11:35
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Boris Galerkin posted:I guess around this time they go to Cintra and Geralt meets the queen and gets promised Ciri which totally isn't creepy at all. Geralt is promised Ciri because he dismissely suggests Law of Surprise as a reward for saving Sonic, which is like playing a "Whatever loot the guy receives next, you get it instead" card. In this medieval period a child can be considered loot, which is how Sonic gets his wife from the King he saved years previously. Not following the terms of Law of Surprise has supernatural ramifications as seen by the sacking of Cintra when Queen Calanthe tries to switch out her granddaughter with Fake Ciri
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Dec 23, 2019 11:36
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Also as the show hammers down mercilessly, Destiny is a big deal and a lot of stuff (including both events from the spoilers above) are definitely not casual.
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Dec 23, 2019 12:38
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LGD posted:yes, it's not laziness Witchers age much more slowly than humans, nobody is sure how long their life spans are because none ever die of natural causes, but they can last for at least several hundred years without a noticeable decline in physical abilities or presenting an apparent age beyond 40-50 or so, sorceresses/mages/wizards/etc. are potentially even more long-lived and also have the ability to alter and fix their appearance Yeah, but that doesn't explain why dandelion and the other human characters don't age.
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Dec 23, 2019 13:47
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Yeah, but that doesn't explain why dandelion and the other human characters don't age. Yen makes a joke at how he's getting crow's feet around his eyes. And the other humans do age(or die). Mostly die.
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Dec 23, 2019 13:48
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The most annoying part of this show is that Geralt takes a lot of baths but Cavill is always super careful not to get his wig wet.
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Dec 23, 2019 13:56
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:The most annoying part of this show is that Geralt takes a lot of baths but Cavill is always super careful not to get his wig wet. Sure sounds annoying if you noticed this.
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Dec 23, 2019 13:59
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:The most annoying part of this show is that Geralt takes a lot of baths but Cavill is always super careful not to get his wig wet. Also never see his dong
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Dec 23, 2019 14:01
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i imagine the massive weight cut water loss does nothing to improve the overall look of the hog.
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Dec 23, 2019 14:03
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Really love what ive watched so far and entirely unsurprised by the reaction here.
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Dec 23, 2019 14:04
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Kill All Cops posted:Geralt is promised Ciri because he dismissely suggests Law of Surprise as a reward for saving Sonic, which is like playing a "Whatever loot the guy receives next, you get it instead" card. In this medieval period a child can be considered loot, which is how Sonic gets his wife from the King he saved years previously. Not following the terms of Law of Surprise has supernatural ramifications as seen by the sacking of Cintra when Queen Calanthe tries to switch out her granddaughter with Fake Ciri Yes I get that but I took it to mean that he was promised the unborn baby to be his future wife, basically this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJEAGd1bQuc. Anyway I binged through the rest of the season and the 2nd to last episode clears up the entire timeline. Looks like I was slightly wrong about the ransacking of Cintra and Gerald meeting Jennefer happening at the same time but that was a minor detail. So how come the mages don’t just teleport around everywhere like they show they are able to? Why bother sailing a boat and then marching for days to get to the castle? Also in the last episode when the mage with the sword ran out of mana and couldn’t bring his sword back is that a permanent thing or do they just need to rest/drink a potion and they can do magic again?
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Dec 23, 2019 14:56
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Yeah, but that doesn't explain why dandelion and the other human characters don't age. This is actually a running joke in the novels and games. Dandelion is in his 40s by the last game but still acts like a Randy 20 something and his friends never let him hear the end of it.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Geralt meets the queen and gets promised Ciri which totally isn't creepy at all. I was wondering if anyone was gonna mention this -- was it not super creepy for the presumably adult hedgehog knight too? "Man, that's a cute baby your wife just gave birth to. I'll be back in 18 years so I can marry it and start pumping out some grandkids for you." Geralt, not being a sex predator, at least assumes he'll just be linked with his surprise baby, not that she's gonna be his wife.
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