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oxsnard posted:So, let's pretend Democrats win the White House and Senate in 2020. An aggressive push to add Puerto Rico and Washington DC as states should be a top priority. Republicans have leveraged every single opportunity afforded them to take power, why shouldn't they fight back? It's the easiest way to institute control over the government and once it's in, it would be even harder for republicans to retake the Senate without seriously moving back towards the center. This should be a rallying cry that is repeated endlessly. Republicans have used the courts, and dems should use the other two branches of government to fight back 
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Petr posted:A face said it on cnn. I have a job.
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Dec 23, 2019 15:51
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Doug Jones is dead in the water without a huge anti Trump surge at the ballot box in November, and as a result I'd guess he's one of the safest convict votes against Trump in the Senate at the end of the day
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Dec 23, 2019 15:53
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oxsnard posted:So, let's pretend Democrats win the White House and Senate in 2020. An aggressive push to add Puerto Rico and Washington DC as states should be a top priority. Republicans have leveraged every single opportunity afforded them to take power, why shouldn't they fight back? It's the easiest way to institute control over the government and once it's in, it would be even harder for republicans to retake the Senate without seriously moving back towards the center. This should be a rallying cry that is repeated endlessly. Republicans have used the courts, and dems should use the other two branches of government to fight back The party aren’t serious about wanting to make things better and are ok with losing because they’re rich enough to weather most of whatever will happen. If more people who care start primarying the old fucks in charge of the party, they should definitely do that, though.
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Dec 23, 2019 15:55
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Jackard posted:What would it take for dems to do something? I don't follow this stuff too closely, last I heard the centrists were leading the party and might screw up the primary again. honestly, we need to refocus dem voters to believe that pissing off republicans is the most important thing, as it's a great counter to "own the libs" policy that's worked for the right for years now
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Dec 23, 2019 15:55
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oxsnard posted:honestly, we need to refocus dem voters to believe that pissing off republicans is the most important thing, as it's a great counter to "own the libs" policy that's worked for the right for years now
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Dec 23, 2019 15:59
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oxsnard posted:So, let's pretend Democrats win the White House and Senate in 2020. An aggressive push to add Puerto Rico and Washington DC as states should be a top priority. Republicans have leveraged every single opportunity afforded them to take power, why shouldn't they fight back? It's the easiest way to institute control over the government and once it's in, it would be even harder for republicans to retake the Senate without seriously moving back towards the center. This should be a rallying cry that is repeated endlessly. Republicans have used the courts, and dems should use the other two branches of government to fight back Also giving millions of Americans political representation is a good thing.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:03
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Surely THIS time the Democrats that get power after the insane fascist Republican regime will fix everything and not just pretend we can go back to normal.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:12
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oxsnard posted:So, let's pretend Democrats win the White House and Senate in 2020. An aggressive push to add Puerto Rico and Washington DC as states should be a top priority. Republicans have leveraged every single opportunity afforded them to take power, why shouldn't they fight back? It's the easiest way to institute control over the government and once it's in, it would be even harder for republicans to retake the Senate without seriously moving back towards the center. This should be a rallying cry that is repeated endlessly. Republicans have used the courts, and dems should use the other two branches of government to fight back Holy poo poo why do people keep assuming PR will just snap up statehood? It's not the Feds holding them back, PR legit doesn't want it. It requires a lot more responsibility and scrutiny than most of them want to put in. Im ×from× this area and it's so annoying how the American Caribbean is like an alien planet to our mainland brothers and sisters. I know ever since the hurricanes people in the USA finally realized the US Caribbean exists but guys, this stuff has been going on for a lot longer than the last two years. UnknownTarget fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Dec 23, 2019 16:14
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UnknownTarget posted:Holy poo poo why do people keep assuming PR will just snap up statehood? It's not the Feds holding them back, PR legit doesn't want it. It requires a lot more responsibility than most of them want to put in. Im ×from× this area and it's so annoying how the American Caribbean is like an alien planet to our mainland brothers and sisters. well, luckily, they get a chance to vote on it again in 2020. Also, considering the fuckery with funding that occurred after Maria, I wouldn't be surprised to see the idea gain traction so they can't get ignored again
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Dec 23, 2019 16:19
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It seems that statehood has gained popularity with the voting population over time. If the politicians don't want to put in more responsibility (?) then maybe they should step down.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:22
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oxsnard posted:well, luckily, they get a chance to vote on it again in 2020. Also, considering the fuckery with funding that occurred after Maria, I wouldn't be surprised to see the idea gain traction so they can't get ignored again ×IrmaMaria. I wouldn't hold your breath. The level of apathy and corruption that the mainland is seeing had been in full force for generations down there.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:23
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UnknownTarget posted:×IrmaMaria. I wouldn't hold your breath. The level of apathy and corruption that the mainland is seeing had been in full force for generations down there. to be clear, I don't claim to know the first thing about politics in PR, but it seems like a simple Yes/No referendum with full support offered by democrats in congress may help clear it up, perhaps?
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Dec 23, 2019 16:27
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UnknownTarget posted:Holy poo poo why do people keep assuming PR will just snap up statehood? It's not the Feds holding them back, PR legit doesn't want it. It requires a lot more responsibility and scrutiny than most of them want to put in. Im ×from× this area and it's so annoying how the American Caribbean is like an alien planet to our mainland brothers and sisters. I know ever since the hurricanes people in the USA finally realized the US Caribbean exists but guys, this stuff has been going on for a lot longer than the last two years. I don’t want to call you out since you’re from the area, but didn’t they vote overwhelmingly yes to statehood (albeit with extremely low turnout)? Is the consensus there that yes to statehood is just a very active and vocal minority or something? Statistically, the turnout was high enough that you shouldn’t expect a huuuuuuge difference if they had higher turnout, right?
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Dec 23, 2019 16:28
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Also don't forget that the pro-statehood governor had to resign just this year for being a massive shithead. PR statehood would be nice but it's by no means guaranteed.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:29
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Slowpoke! posted:I don’t want to call you out since you’re from the area, but didn’t they vote overwhelmingly yes to statehood (albeit with extremely low turnout)? there were almost as many blank ballots as "yes" votes, so that's a bad assumption to make. It seems to be a 50/50 opinion as of 2017
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Dec 23, 2019 16:32
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Slowpoke! posted:I don’t want to call you out since you’re from the area, but didn’t they vote overwhelmingly yes to statehood (albeit with extremely low turnout)? one of the reasons turnout was so low iirc is that many folks were mad about the idea of continual referendums that go nowhere, so no - low turnout was itself a protest vote against the current territorial government, not voter apathy
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Dec 23, 2019 16:33
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UnknownTarget posted:Holy poo poo why do people keep assuming PR will just snap up statehood? It's not the Feds holding them back, PR legit doesn't want it. It requires a lot more responsibility and scrutiny than most of them want to put in. Im ×from× this area and it's so annoying how the American Caribbean is like an alien planet to our mainland brothers and sisters. I know ever since the hurricanes people in the USA finally realized the US Caribbean exists but guys, this stuff has been going on for a lot longer than the last two years. Well, given that the last groupings of votes they had there was a lot of fuckery by the side wanting to remain a territory, I'd wager statehood is gaining ground if not the popular choice
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Dec 23, 2019 16:35
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in case anyone believed there was any ambiguity anymore, Mitch McConnell called PR statehood "Full-Bore Socialism." Just the usual: conflating socialism with "scary brown people"
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https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1208858590515224578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1208858590515224578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw What an inflated sense of self importance and narcissism to think that these are comparable events. They don't in good faith believe this to be true, but gotta say the most atrocious poo poo because their base thinks they wouldn't say it if it wasn't some kind of truth to power (the power currently held and wielded by these very people). Ugh.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:02
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I bet that room smells of old people and death.
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cool kids inc. posted:What an inflated sense of self importance and narcissism to think that these are comparable events. They don't in good faith believe this to be true, but gotta say the most atrocious poo poo because their base thinks they wouldn't say it if it wasn't some kind of truth to power (the power currently held and wielded by these very people). I'm more curious which side he thinks the Democrats are represented by because he listed victories for both.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:09
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Pearl Harbor was the Democrats' Pearl Harbor. 
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haveblue posted:I'm more curious which side he thinks the Democrats are represented by because he listed victories for both. I assumed he meant Democrats are Japan in both analogies, and that impeachment is a short-term tactical victory but they'll inevitably lose the war.
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VitalSigns posted:I assumed he meant Democrats are Japan in both analogies, and that impeachment is a short-term tactical victory but they'll inevitably lose the war. That's probably what he was going for, yeah, but it's hard to believe his view of either politics or history is that nuanced.
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haveblue posted:That's probably what he was going for, yeah, but it's hard to believe his view of either politics or history is that nuanced. It’s not nuanced, he’s saying the dirty sneaky cowardly vermin Democrats tried to backstab the great Donald Trump who embodies the badass sleeping majority of the United States, and as a result the subhuman Democrats are going to get slaughtered into submission in the election.
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oxsnard posted:honestly, we need to refocus dem voters to believe that pissing off republicans is the most important thing, as it's a great counter to "own the libs" policy that's worked for the right for years now $DemCandidate$ 2020 Die Mad About It
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Slowpoke! posted:I don’t want to call you out since you’re from the area, but didn’t they vote overwhelmingly yes to statehood (albeit with extremely low turnout)? I went to go look it up because I wasn't sure of the specifics. "Overwhelming" is a stretch since it was only 54% of voters in 2012 wanted to change the current status (with majority voting for statehood). Granted it is a majority but it's not like everyone's rushing to make it happen. The most recent referendum had a 23% turnout rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico
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oxsnard posted:So, let's pretend Democrats win the White House and Senate in 2020. An aggressive push to add Puerto Rico and Washington DC as states should be a top priority. Republicans have leveraged every single opportunity afforded them to take power, why shouldn't they fight back? It's the easiest way to institute control over the government and once it's in, it would be even harder for republicans to retake the Senate without seriously moving back towards the center. This should be a rallying cry that is repeated endlessly. Republicans have used the courts, and dems should use the other two branches of government to fight back Also, while we are thinking of other structural changes: *Expand the house to 550 - 600 Members. *Give native tribes two Senators and like 10 reps.
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Mooseontheloose posted:*Give native tribes two Senators and like 10 reps. Oh drat yeah I like that.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:48
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Any plan to add seats to the legislature, apart from adding new states or increasing the total House size, would require a constitutional amendment.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:56
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Mooseontheloose posted:Also, while we are thinking of other structural changes: At this point, let's just abolish the Senate and institute a Parliamentary system.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:At this point, let's just abolish the Senate and institute a Parliamentary system. Can't. Or at least not directly, its locked in to the constitution in a way that can't be amended. You CAN amend around it though indirectly. For example you can create a new Upper-Upper House like in Venezeula that IS proportional and require it to approve any bills that pass both the House and the senate by simple majority or just the House by super majority. You CAN also just strip the Senate of most of its legislative functions and leave it to the House (and leave the senate with approving ambassadors and foreign treaties), but I'd make sure that the House is non-gerrymandable with something like Single Transferable Vote at that point to lock out the fascists. e: This is because the Constitution requires Equal Representation in the "Senate"; hence your left with stripping them of their powers, or supplanting them by a new super-senate.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:At this point, let's just abolish the Senate and institute a Parliamentary system. Abolish the Senate and replace it with THUNDERDOME
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Dec 23, 2019 18:05
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Raenir Salazar posted:Can't. Or at least not directly, its locked in to the constitution in a way that can't be amended. How is literally any part of the Constitution unammendable? Isn't that the whole point? Edit: I realize this question may look facetious, but I am genuinely curious.
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Bel Shazar posted:Oh drat yeah I like that. I have no idea if they would actually go for it though since it means their would be a lot more changes in how they govern, meaning they would be waaay more tied into the US government system.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:08
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You could increase the number of senators though - 6 senators per state so that it's more responsive to elections and changes in the constituency.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:09
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Start offering statehood to every Indian reservation with a population greater than 10,000. It would be great
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Dear thread, here's a quick story of american health care. I posted in this thread a while back mentioning my ear has been hosed up all year. A kind goon sent me some money to help me go to the ENT. I found out what the problem was today, finally, at long last. I go running fairly often. 6 or 7 months ago I went running in the rain with my headphones on. I lost an earpiece. After that I got swimmer's ear. I figured it was from the rain getting pushed into my ear by the earpiece that went missing. No, I have had a GOD drat FUCKIN PIECE OF PLASTIC IN MY EAR for like 6-7 months. And I didn't figure this out for most of the year because I couldn't afford a simple doctor visit. I tried like a million over the counter remedies. I feel so god drat stupid. And horrified. WTF. Holy poo poo. Well, glad that's over, anyway
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