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About the law of surprise *minor book spoilers* The Witchers use that to recruit new Witchers because they are sterile.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:07
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IShallRiseAgain posted:About the law of surprise *minor book spoilers* The Witchers use that to recruit new Witchers because they are sterile. while i generally am not in the "they should've explained more" crew, i think it would be helpful if they made this part a little more clear to emphasize that geralt's intent is not to come back in 18 years and expect marriage lol
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Dec 23, 2019 16:14
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eke out posted:while i generally am not in the "they should've explained more" crew, i think it would be helpful if they made this part a little more clear to emphasize that geralt's intent is not to come back in 18 years and expect marriage lol Especially after he saw how this one turned out. As the professional with what the show has revealed and without the book/game info, Geralt would have known better.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:18
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LGD posted:though there is no known non-lazy explanation of why Geralt always has the same horse at different points in his timeline - in the novels/games his horse is always called Roach, but that's just because he names a bunch of them the same thing I don't think the Geralt stories take place over as much time as the Yennefer storyline... could be as little as 15ish years so it's possible for him to have the same Roach. It's not gonna fix every problem with the show but getting everyone on the same timeline in the next (hypothetical) season will help a lot. I have one episode left and am very much enjoying it thanks to my attachment to the characters but I don't think I would recommend this show to anyone going in blind.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:23
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Boris Galerkin posted:lSo how come the mages don’t just teleport around everywhere like they show they are able to? Why bother sailing a boat and then marching for days to get to the castle? Also in the last episode when the mage with the sword ran out of mana and couldn’t bring his sword back is that a permanent thing or do they just need to rest/drink a potion and they can do magic again? Mages can tell when portals are being used nearby, as well as trace them. Istredd mentions this in episode 2 and we see it in action in one of Yennefer's later episodes. It was for the element of surprise. Phenotype posted:I was wondering if anyone was gonna mention this -- was it not super creepy for the presumably adult hedgehog knight too? "Man, that's a cute baby your wife just gave birth to. I'll be back in 18 years so I can marry it and start pumping out some grandkids for you." Geralt, not being a sex predator, at least assumes he'll just be linked with his surprise baby, not that she's gonna be his wife. Duny is a creep who thought marrying his child surprise would uncurse him. Luckily she fell in love with him and it actually worked.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:32
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eke out posted:while i generally am not in the "they should've explained more" crew, i think it would be helpful if they made this part a little more clear to emphasize that geralt's intent is not to come back in 18 years and expect marriage lol Geralt did assume the baby was a boy when he came back
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Dec 23, 2019 16:34
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esperterra posted:Mages can tell when portals are being used nearby, as well as trace them. Istredd mentions this in episode 2 and we see it in action in one of Yennefer's later episodes. It was for the element of surprise. Duny was only a teenager when he saved king what's-his-face I think. So it's definitely creepy by modern standards, less so by medieval
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Dec 23, 2019 16:47
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Phenotype posted:I was wondering if anyone was gonna mention this -- was it not super creepy for the presumably adult hedgehog knight too? "Man, that's a cute baby your wife just gave birth to. I'll be back in 18 years so I can marry it and start pumping out some grandkids for you." Geralt, not being a sex predator, at least assumes he'll just be linked with his surprise baby, not that she's gonna be his wife. Whatever you do don't read about any historical kingdom and marriages for alliances where unborn girls were promised to 30 year old kings Also Witchers use this dumb law to recruit more Witchers.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:05
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Geralt operates on anime girl logic, so any relation he has with anyone (that is not fake-young as well, like Yen) is by definition creepy af.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:25
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Duny was only a teenager when he saved king what's-his-face I think. So it's definitely creepy by modern standards, less so by medieval Yeah, this too.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:32
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eke out posted:while i generally am not in the "they should've explained more" crew, i think it would be helpful if they made this part a little more clear to emphasize that geralt's intent is not to come back in 18 years and expect marriage lol Geralt's parting words in the short story paint a much clearer picture of what he wants with the child than the show where it's a comedic one liner. He says that you have to be born in the shadow of destiny to become a witcher, and very few are born like that, which is why the order is dying out and they have nobody to pass their knowledge to. He then says he'll return to Cintra in six years to see if destiny has been kind to him.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:32
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That Italian Guy posted:Geralt operates on anime girl logic, so any relation he has with anyone (that is not fake-young as well, like Yen) is by definition creepy af. Shani is a big problem here. Since nobody fielded the “why not teleport” question - I believe teleports are blind if a strong connection isn’t setup at a particular location? I’m basing that on the games though.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:35
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I never got far in any of the games but the show basically seems like a dudes version of Xena warrior princess.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:37
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How insane is the darker corners of the internet going over triss not being a busty redhead?
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Dec 23, 2019 17:38
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:I never got far in any of the games but the show basically seems like a dudes version of Xena warrior princess. I see Xena is in the small collection of spinoffs that make people forget they’re spinoffs
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Dec 23, 2019 17:39
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And speaking of spinoffs this series should either spin off or at least have a season 2 bottle episode about the true hero of the story: The Bard.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:59
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The casting of Dandelion feels spot on. He nails the part.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:23
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Needs dumber facial hair, but agreed.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:28
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Nuclear War posted:How insane is the darker corners of the internet going over triss not being a busty redhead? A little bit, but overshadowed by the anger over the mage of evil country being black.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:38
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I feel like magic usage was handled in varying degrees of interesting through the season. Sometimes it seemed poorly depicted and sometimes not. Yenn's duel with the assassin I think could have used more interesting magic. The one detail I really like though was her tiny tent being huge and luxurious on the inside. It really felt like the kind of thing wizards would do with that kind of power and I appreciate that they didn't immediately have a character verbally call attention to it.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:38
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I'm up through Episode 4 and I'm enjoying it but I will say that the show is just not explaining enough. My wife doesn't know about the Witcher, she is watching the show with me, and I've had to stop the show 3 times and explain to her basic stuff about how The Witchin' Life works. Potions, his Signs (she thought he was a full-rear end Wizard), etc. However she caught the time jump stuff just fine. A friend of mine didn't and he was upset.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:44
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Something interesting I've been wondering after seeing criticisms of the show vs the books is what sort of similar (if any) criticisms there were when the games first came out. I understand they take place after the books chronologically, but did CDPR change anything substantial or retcon any events that pissed off book fans?
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Dec 23, 2019 18:46
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Solice Kirsk posted:Needs dumber facial hair, but agreed. eke out posted:while i generally am not in the "they should've explained more" crew, i think it would be helpful if they made this part a little more clear to emphasize that geralt's intent is not to come back in 18 years and expect marriage lol
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Dec 23, 2019 18:50
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Pyrus Malus posted:Something interesting I've been wondering after seeing criticisms of the show vs the books is what sort of similar (if any) criticisms there were when the games first came out. In the late books there is a weird incest plot that the games quietly ignore and pretend never happened. Also the head writer of the first game apparently hated Yen, and Triss takes her place in a way that makes her a lot more Yen-like. The first two games also don't involve Ciri or Yen at all, with the weird consequence that the third game feels weirder if you've played the early games but not read the books.
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Dec 23, 2019 18:59
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:The most annoying part of this show is that Geralt takes a lot of baths but Cavill is always super careful not to get his wig wet. To be fair he was covered in selkiemora goo, including his wig, in one scene, so I don't know if they were trying that hard to avoid it.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:00
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Disclaimer: I don't want to poo poo on the show for those of you who are enjoying it, so by all means feel free to skip this post, pretend it's not here. As a big, big fan of TW3, I just can't get into the show. I see what they're doing and I appreciate the effort, but the performance never goes beyond "hey look, a bunch of people cosplaying the Witcher series" in my mind. I don't know if it's the wig, the casting, the low budget production, or Cavill's single expression in every conversation, but it all adds up to a cheapo knockoff of the experience I had in the game.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:04
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Strom Cuzewon posted:In the late books there is a weird incest plot that the games quietly ignore and pretend never happened. Not only did they replace Yen with Triss, they gave her a bunch of Yen's dialogue! I always heard it was because they were worried about adapting some of the characters badly, not that he hated Yen. But I am probably wrong lmao. It's funny how well it worked out, though. With (book and first game spoilers) them having Triss take advantage of Geralt's amnesia to pretend she is the sorceress he was in love with. Book Triss is lowkey a creep when it comes to Geralt and basically magic date rapes him at one point. She wants him bad even tho Yen is one of her closest friends.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:04
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I think the "gently caress" kinda spells it out pretty well that Geralt doesn't think he's somehow scored a hot young future wife. That's the gently caress of someone who never thought they'd be a father realizing that's exactly what he's gonna be. yeah, i agree, it's just one instance where i thought "okay, so now you can set up why a witcher might care especially about the Law of Surprise, since it's so personal to Geralt (and also it would make it clear this is not creepy)" and that just didn't happen but saving all the witcher-lore infodumps for season 2 where you have ciri's training and vesemir and etc makes plenty of sense though, especially because you can intersperse ciri's training with geralt's analogous situations when he was young, and start to develop his background out that way. also you can see from reviews and posts in this thread that some people found the sheer amount of info hard to deal with already, so those narrative choices are pretty understandable eke out fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Dec 23, 2019 19:10
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A lot of the game characters are recreations/reinterpretations of book characters because they weren't entirely sure how far they could go with ties to the books. So you have characters like Iorveth who is basically a meaner version of Isengrim Faortilarna, or Toruviel showing up in Witcher 1 for no reason other than to have sex with Geralt for a collectible card.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:13
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I'm fine with them saving some of the exposition dump, especially for witchers, for season 2. That said I still think they could have spent more time with Geralt preparing for the striga fight. A little show, don't tell. Then go into more detail when we hit the Kaer Morhen stuff in 2.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:13
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esperterra posted:I'm fine with them saving some of the exposition dump, especially for witchers, for season 2. That said I still think they could have spent more time with Geralt preparing for the striga fight. A little show, don't tell. Then go into more detail when we hit the Kaer Morhen stuff in 2. yeah it would take all of like 15-30 seconds of screen time to show the ritual preparation and potion-taking and, even once, that would've helped establish that it's one of his big things
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Dec 23, 2019 19:15
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esperterra posted:Not only did they replace Yen with Triss, they gave her a bunch of Yen's dialogue! I always heard it was because they were worried about adapting some of the characters badly, not that he hated Yen. But I am probably wrong lmao. Yeah, she’s a creep that took advantage of Geralt at best and also betrayed her friend. It’s one reason why I will never, ever chose Triss in the W3 as the one Geralt romances.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:19
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It's neat how well swapping Triss in for Yen in the first game worked in the end, in terms of making sense for the character.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:22
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Proteus Jones posted:Yeah, she’s a creep that took advantage of Geralt at best and also betrayed her friend. It’s one reason why I will never, ever chose Triss in the W3 as the one Geralt romances.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:41
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esperterra posted:I'm fine with them saving some of the exposition dump, especially for witchers, for season 2. That said I still think they could have spent more time with Geralt preparing for the striga fight. A little show, don't tell. Then go into more detail when we hit the Kaer Morhen stuff in 2. Yea easily could have done that and would have been 100% more clear to the audience who Geralt was and what he was doing when prepping for monsters. Some other poster last page said he thought a witcher was a male witch which I realize they never explained exactly what a witcher was to the audience. They also never explained the situation that the world of the witcher was in. Never mentioned how monsters dominate the landscape and that slowly organized armies were pushing them back and that witchers were sort of the fax machines of the world in that they were still useful but seen as old tech. The potions he chugged might as well be cut out from the script. For as much exposition that this show dumps it missed a lot of pertinent information on the actual story.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:45
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I started the series on Friday and finished it yesterday. Overall I loving loved it. I ate it up and loved the lack of exposition (this is exactly how the books roll) and the timeline fuckery. For reference, I've read all of the books multiple times as well as playing all three games multiple times. It's my favorite game/book series to date and my favorite fantasy universe overall. I do have some minor story quibbles that I'll go into, but overall I was stunned that they pulled this off as well as they did. I was upset that episode 1 didn't show the final fight in quite the same context that the book does. In the book, to the crowd, Geralt slays 7 innocent bystanders because he knows Renfri's plan, but it hasn't started yet and no one knows but him and the alderman, who didn't believe him. All the crowd sees is Geralt slaughter 7 dudes and a woman with no provocation. And he does it insanely fast. To the crowd, he really is just a psychopath butcher. The show kinda does this by having Stregobor give him the Butcher nickname, but I don't find that as effective as the books. I think not having Geralt meet Ciri first in Brokilon was a mis-step. There was no other reason to have the Dryad storyline without that element. However, I do think they somehow miraculously landed on their feet in the ending. We see several episodes where Geralt decides to go find Ciri, and Ciri is trying to find him the entire show. When they embrace in they end, I was actually very happy. Having Cahir as a bad guy lunatic was awful to me. I really liked his character in the books. I'm hoping they walk that back some, but we'll see. It's not a great move. Nor was killing Moussack. For the rest of it, I think it worked great. Not sure how folks are getting confused with the timeline stuff when the show goes out of its way to drop hints. You might not know exactly how many years are in between each point, but there's plenty of references to see that there is a large degree of time between each character, to a point. I'm also glad, as stated above, that the show didn't spin its wheels on a bunch of exposition. There's enough there to understand what's going on while still leaving plenty of mystery to the world to chew on. Overall this season was a 10/10 for me and I'm super pumped about season 2.
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Dec 23, 2019 20:08
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Doltos posted:The potions he chugged might as well be cut out from the script.
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Dec 23, 2019 20:17
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Nuclear War posted:How insane is the darker corners of the internet going over triss not being a busty redhead? I think this is tempered somewhat as making this complaint outs you as a non-book reading pleb.
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Dec 23, 2019 20:39
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CJ posted:I think this is tempered somewhat as making this complaint outs you as a non-book reading pleb. "BRO, CAN YOU EVEN READ POLISH?"
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Dec 23, 2019 20:43
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For what’s it’s worth I think the actress works fine as Triss. I also think she’ll be swapping a certain plot line from Fringilla to her with Geralt later in the series. It makes sense with how they’ve set up the characters.
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Dec 23, 2019 20:45
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