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Nuclear War posted:How insane is the darker corners of the internet going over triss not being a busty redhead? Dark corners? I'm mad about it right here. In regards to casting black actors etc i dont care though. Triss bothers me a little because it's a trait of the character that's often remarked upon, she's famous with Witcher fans for it so it would be nice to be as book accurate as they can, but skin colour as far as i remember plays no role in the Witcher books or games. At least as far as i can remember. Casting a mage to be black instead of white doesnt change that characters story really unless you make an effort to point out that they're from a foreign land or whatever. It isn't medieval Europe and you could just imagine that there are many different races living in each country just like the United States or any modern European nation. Regarding things like costumes etc I have a feeling this show probably wont do super well and will likely have a smaller budget next season so dont get your hopes up too much. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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Vilgefartz posted:I can totally see that happening. And now they've got that aesthetic wizard available to turn bad and pull off the procedure again for vilgefortz if necessary. In addition The show does bring up Geralt's mother, Visena, during the last episode. She was a sorceress as well and she still gave birth. So making the hysterectomy exclusive to Yennefer due to the extreme nature of her deformity could give Yen personal animosity that isn't shared with the other Sorceresses.
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They totally botched Geralt and Ciri encounter. Bad show
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Dec 24, 2019 03:49
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Okay so I'm going to pick up Wild Hunt. 133 hours sounds solid and I hate how some RPGs rocket you through the game. So who wants to put money on when Metal Gear Solid becomes a series for Netflix.
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After finishing I honestly wish that Cavill channeled more of his smug, grim character from Mission Impossible than drawing from the series. Whispery Batman wasn't the best. There was simultaneously too much happening in this show and not enough. The backstory for Yennefer proceeded in glacially slow fashion, and her relationship with Istredd was laboriously set up, but Geralt instantly throws himself in the way of danger to save Yennefer from the genie with an amount of passion that hasn't been established. The show didn't really set up the personal stakes for Sodden Hill so I didn't really see why I should care about the mages, since they all seem pretty poo poo. Spending a good chunk of the last episode with Geralt moaning in a cart was also a...choice. I think I would have liked a full season of stories with Geralt in/around Cintra so we could better get a feel for the characters and they could develop around each other in a much more organic way. The costuming was irritating because it could have helped in the storytelling. Why does Yennefer still have such nice clothes after living out of court for decades? Why does Fringilla look like poo poo despite living in the richest kingdom in the world? I did appreciate the effort, and it does help set up the characters for more tight storytelling, but it was still a frustrating ride. LinYutang fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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Dec 24, 2019 04:36
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I have to say I'm that guy who recommends TV or movies to other people, and I would not recommend this show without a lot of reservations. Too bad.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm wondering if they'll do a retcon that they only did the hysterectomy to Yennefer and Tissaia lied through omission by never bothering to tell Yennefer the truth. Yen is only aware that he performed the procedure because she was awake during the operation. What about dem Sabrina tittays!!!???
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm wondering if they'll do a retcon that they only did the hysterectomy to Yennefer and Tissaia lied through omission by never bothering to tell Yennefer the truth. Yen is only aware that he performed the procedure because she was awake during the operation. I see it happening that they find out Nilfgaard doesn’t need to do that procedure, be sure they use slave surrogates to draw the power from instead.
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Vilgefartz posted:Like yennefer had to get the full procedure because she was super deformed or something? Yennefer missed initiation cos she was moping at being sent to Nilfgaarde, everyone at the Aretuza Initiation Ball had already had their enchantments done, as evident by Sabrina's tittays
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Kill All Cops posted:Yennefer missed initiation cos she was moping at being sent to Nilfgaarde, everyone at the Aretuza Initiation Ball had already had their enchantments done, as evident by Sabrina's tittays Then she was fashionably late and her arrival coincided with all the magic boner alarms going off and her post getting switched because King Hornball called an audible. Though it is probably for the best since your most naturally powerful magic user isn't siding with the opposing force.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I find the Cintrian and Temerian armours looks fine. But they need to fire whoever though ballsack armor was a good idea. From what I understand they did. I heard (I think it was in this very thread) the costume designer was fired. I have a feeling it was probably a scheduling thing and they had no time to replace it. “What the poo poo is this scrotal armor? There’s no time to replace it. gently caress. OK, go ahead, we have a tight shooting schedule. Oh, and fire that idiot”
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I kinda liked the ballsack armor. It's not as cool as the armor in the games, but it still looked interesting.
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The ballsack armor was a lot less distracting since they're mostly used in really dark scenes. but once you see that one production shot of the armor that floated around the net before release, you can't unsee tha ballsack
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So how does the storyline work in the books? Is it a lot of monster of the week stuff like we saw this season, or do you see what happens with Nilfgaard? Speaking of which, what is the deal with this Ciri?  That's from the Witcher 3, it's the only Ciri I've ever seen, so I was expecting Ciri to time-lapse into her twenties at some point this season haha. I also didn't realize the Ciri we got was only supposed to be 12 in the show, she definitely looks older than that.
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I also was a bit uncomfortable with Yennefer's constant nudity in some episodes, it felt super gratuitous. The alt-right complaints about casting poc's are hilarious, but I still have some issues with Fringilla Vigo for 2 reasons: one, she's not an irrelevant character in either the books or the games (accurately described/depicted in both) so going from caucasian to black was a bit jarring for me and two, I felt some of her deliveries were very flat. Not to mention, her role wasn't "earned" considering how little screen time she had. It felt like the show needed some more budget, more episodes and way more time to shoot. All the actors kept saying in interviews how they barely had time to prepare for the roles and that there never was enough time. Episodes 7 and 8 especially felt very rushed, there wasn't enough build-up for anything that happened.
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you know how sometimes a show is so good that you wish you could unwatch it just so you can see it again for the first time? this show is like that for me. except instead of watching it again for the first time, i would just never watch it ever
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chaosapiant posted:Did anyone else think that the assassin dude with face paint might’ve been a younger Rience? It's totally Savolla from W1 with a baby frightener. there is no way it's not https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Savolla
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W3 Yen has way more charisma than show Yen.
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LinYutang posted:The costuming was irritating because it could have helped in the storytelling. Why does Yennefer still have such nice clothes after living out of court for decades? Why does Fringilla look like poo poo despite living in the richest kingdom in the world? Eh, Yennefer could probably make her own clothes with magic, plus she was selling her services for cash. Nilfgaard sorceresses looking plain is because they get a lot less freedom over there. In the books it's implied Nilfgaard sorceresses have the fairytale witch look: hook nose, messy hair, warts, and a plain black shift to wear, because they don't do the magic Nip & Tuck.
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tao of lmao posted:I’ve seen it referred to as “sjw casting” The only person I know that played the games was complaining about the casting of poc to these roles and then she went off on a tangent about how Netflix is racist for doing things like casting a black female lead for Star Trek, so yeah people using the words “sjw” in an unironic way complaining about this sounds about right. Easy litmus test for racist shitheads IMO.
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enraged_camel posted:I’m probably in the minority here, but I’ll go out on a limb and say I have a big issue with TV characters being miscast with regards to their looks (which, in this context, is about race). I think there are a lot more people who are annoyed by it than are willing to speak up for fear of being beaten down as "racist", I'm one of them. I don't mind POC being cast in fantasy Europe, it helps break up the "everybody is blonde with blue eyes" type shows you get like with LOTR. However, I think Netflix went off the deep end a bit with Triss, Yen, Fringilla, Istredd, and Vilgefortz all being race swapped. That's a LOT of main characters to be swapped, and it kinda took me out of the slavic fantasy. The boat ride towards Sodden Hill really emphasized just how much they changed it up. Boris Galerkin posted:The only person I know that played the games was complaining about the casting of poc to these roles and then she went off on a tangent about how Netflix is racist for doing things like casting a black female lead for Star Trek, so yeah people using the words “sjw” in an unironic way complaining about this sounds about right. Easy litmus test for racist shitheads IMO. I think there's a real line between race swapping a decent number of your main cast, and deciding to focus on a POC as the main character. It's stupid to say that you shouldn't have a black main character in a TV show created for them (like Avery Brooks as Sisko), it's another to recast Picard with Idris Elba. As for the timeline fuckery... I think it would have just been better to do episode 1 and 2 as the short-stories, with Ep2 being the introduction of Yen. Ep3 you can do the dragons, and then do a little flashback to some backstory of Yen, and the intro of Ciri. What bothered me the most was the deep dive into Yen's past. In the books, and in the games, I always felt like in the back of Geralt's mind he couldn't be sure if Yen really loved him, or if she was using him. She's supposed to be this powerful, mysterious woman mage, and you're supposed to be nervous/scared that she's around because you never know what she's going to do. By going through her whole backstory I think it humanized her too much and took away some of the mystery. Overall the show seemed a bit spastic to me, everything with Geralt was phenomenal, stuff with Yen was hit or miss, Ciri stuff was meh, and anything with Queen Calanthe was awful. It's one of those shows that I will only recommend to people who know and really like the source material. JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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After finishing the entire show yesterday, I decided to start a re-watch. I noticed some really cool poo poo in episode 1 that I didn't know to look for before. Spoilers below. Towards the end when Calanthe is brought in after the battle and bleeding, you can actually here her say "he's in the gatekeep", and a couple of moments later, Moussesack comes back and says "he's gone". It goes completely unnoticed in the dialogue but makes for a cool moment on a re-watch. Also, I'm pretty sure Cahir is the one who shot Eist through the eye. You barely see the shooter in the scene, but when you see Cahir later, he's the only one with that helmet and kills another dude with his bow and arrow as Ciri is escaping. I'm pumped to get through this rewatch and notice more details like these. Edit: also, thinking about it, I think the story with the dragon would have been better swapped with the short story where Geralt meets and challenges Istredd for Yen's affection. They already kinda setup that story when Yen finds him in the pit when he's digging around, and I'd rather have seen that then what we got, since the CGI budget and design didn't do him justice. chaosapiant fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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JacksLibido posted:I think there are a lot more people who are annoyed by it than are willing to speak up for fear of being beaten down as "racist", I'm one of them. I don't mind POC being cast in fantasy Europe, it helps break up the "everybody is blonde with blue eyes" type shows you get like with LOTR. However, I think Netflix went off the deep end a bit with Triss, Yen, Fringilla, Istredd, and Vilgefortz all being race swapped. That's a LOT of main characters to be swapped, and it kinda took me out of the slavic fantasy. The boat ride towards Sodden Hill really emphasized just how much they changed it up. You’re all but saying the words “I’m not racist, but” here.
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Boris Galerkin posted:You’re all but saying the words “I’m not racist, but” here. No, there’s a difference here. I personally don’t care that a character is of color or not, but I can also understand the point of view of wanting every character as close to the books as possible. That said, Triss is pretty drat close. Her skin is darker, but she has the right hair color and even the freckles which she’s said to have. I don’t find her a miscast at all.
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Boris Galerkin posted:You’re all but saying the words “I’m not racist, but” here. You have a very Geralt take on the subject I see. The characters have all been described in pretty good detail in both the books and the games, if you're not going to stick with the source material then why even use the setting knowing it's going to annoy people? JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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JacksLibido posted:You have a very Geralt take on the definition of racism. “I don’t mind poc, I even like them sometimes when it helps give people the message that I’m not racist, but there shouldn’t be poc in my fantasies because it messes with my imagination of it and they should just
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chaosapiant posted:Did anyone actually say that here? Read his edit lmao JacksLibido posted:You have a very Geralt take on the subject I see. The characters have all been described in pretty good detail in both the books and the games, if you're not going to stick with the source material then why even use the setting knowing it's going to annoy people?
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How is Yenn "race swapped" what the hell.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Read his edit lmao I changed one term and expanded on my premise. Oh man you got me. chaosapiant posted:Did anyone actually say that here? Dudes trolling, don't even bother.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Read his edit lmao It just looks like you’re paraphrasing and adjusting his post to fit your narrative. You can be disappointed that the show characters don’t look like the books without being racist. Granted, many takes I’ve seen, particularly from Reddit and Youtube are filled with racism and it’s tiring.
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Shani is played by water buffalo in s2, albeit a very coy and alluring one.
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JacksLibido posted:I changed one term and expanded on my premise. Oh man you got me. You should have just left it unexpanded because I had no idea what the gently caress it meant because like most people who see the “The Witcher” banner on their Netflix I’ve never played this obscure game before to know it was even a Slavic fantasy vs just a regular fantasy. But your expanded post made it fully clear that it bothers you because they aren’t matching the fantasy in your head ie they arent white.
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Boris Galerkin posted:You should have just left it unexpanded because I had no idea what the gently caress it meant because like most people who see the “The Witcher” banner on their Netflix I’ve never played this obscure game before to know it was even a Slavic fantasy vs just a regular fantasy. But your expanded post made it fully clear that it bothers you because they aren’t matching the fantasy in your head ie they arent white. So you're lashing out at people who HAVE played the games and read the background material and are noting that the characters don't match the description, by calling them racist because you have no idea what they're talking about. Nice. TBH this entire aside is stupid. It's a MINOR point at most, not worth the amount of typing it's already created. JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:You should have just left it unexpanded because I had no idea what the gently caress it meant because like most people who see the “The Witcher” banner on their Netflix I’ve never played this obscure game before to know it was even a Slavic fantasy vs just a regular fantasy. But your expanded post made it fully clear that it bothers you because they aren’t matching the fantasy in your head ie they arent white. are you stroking your rage boner atm,. because the blood seems to have left your brain.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Shani is played by water buffalo in s2, albeit a very coy and alluring one. Is this like the classic attack helicopter joke? (POC getting acting gigs will never be a bad thing, unless a character being white is super loving important to the story).
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Shani buffalo is painted white, but only halfway to appease everyone. No one is happy with the compromise, and the character is quickly killed off and then eaten in what will become a classic Hollywood move known henceforth as being "Shani'ed"
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stev posted:Is this like the classic attack helicopter joke? No, it is just late at night and I am highly attracted to water buffalo
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Specifically water buffalo with chestnut hair.
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