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Cardiac posted:So raven Tower by Leckie was good. NK Jemisin's The Broken Earth series has certain viewpoints told in second person, if that's what you're looking for. The first book uses the different viewpoints in an interesting way, though the second and third do not (the second person viewpoint does continue on, however).
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Xenix posted:NK Jemisin's The Broken Earth series has certain viewpoints told in second person, if that's what you're looking for. The first book uses the different viewpoints in an interesting way, though the second and third do not (the second person viewpoint does continue on, however). When I meant style, I didn’t mean the second person viewpoint but rather the story. Unless leckie for some reason writes everything in second person? Jemisin, who i have read, is a good comparison to The raven tower, due to similarities in how they setup their stories. Also, batuta, your description (on the physical book) of the Raven Tower saying it was a mix of Le Guin and Sanderson is perhaps not the best description.
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I am super late to this discussion but just wanted to say that I finished the Craft Sequence omnibus by Max Gladstone and I thought it was pretty great beginning to end. Some people had said they thought it dwindled as it went on, but I thought the last novel was better than the first. Full Fathom got a little aimless in the middle, but I still liked it a lot. Highly recommended reading and the omnibus is an absurd value. So much quality there.Cardiac posted:When I meant style, I didn’t mean the second person viewpoint but rather the story. Unless leckie for some reason writes everything in second person? If you liked Raven Tower it is definitely worth checking out Ancillary Justice. Ancillary is similar and I enjoyed it quite a lot. It won a pile of awards and critical acclaim when it came out so it's a pretty safe buy.
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fritz posted:Who needs the pups for hugo drama when the wsfs is doing it their own drat selves : http://file770.com/the-meaning-of-it-all/ I don't understand any of this but it makes "fandom" seem like a real no fun zone well I made the mistake of going to Archive of Our Own and choosing a random story got me erotica about 11 year old girls from "Dance Moms" gonna nope outta there my bony fealty fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Dec 21, 2019 |
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Cardiac posted:When I meant style, I didn’t mean the second person viewpoint but rather the story. Unless leckie for some reason writes everything in second person? Yeah but it makes nerds want to buy it
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General Battuta posted:Yeah but it makes nerds want to buy it I am guessing due to the Sanderson comparison and not Le Guin.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This will probably get an eye roll but I honestly think Robert Jordan writes *battle* scenes very well, with a veteran's eye. You believe his characters have seen real combat. I have to agree with this. It was also one of the main reasons I dislike the Sanderson finals. He really doesn't (or didn't) write good battle scenes.
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my bony fealty posted:I don't understand any of this but it makes "fandom" seem like a real no fun zone AO3 is a fanfic archive one of whose schticks was 'we have learned from our predecessors' mistakes'. They won a hugo last time round, which was nominally for the actual web site itself and the people running it (or something similar, w/ever). This of course led to the obvious joke where everybody who ever put a fic up there could call themselves a hugo winner, and for the people who are way too into 'organized fandom' this is unacceptable. (There's also the usual armchair lawyer people saying 'well of course they have to be jerks about it to protect their trademarks'.)
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my bony fealty posted:I don't understand any of this but it makes "fandom" seem like a real no fun zone One of the good things about AO3 is that it doesn't do censorship. One of the bad things about AO3 is that it doesn't do censorship. e: By the way, since I've posted stuff there, be sure to address me as a hugo-award winning author, thanks. 
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90s Cringe Rock posted:It's definitely YA, but pretty rad YA. Spaceships and ghosts and poo poo. Second this, Dragon Pearl is good and I'm eagerly awaiting more. e. The best fight scene ever was Death vs the Buddha in Lords of Light.
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my bony fealty posted:I don't understand any of this but it makes "fandom" seem like a real no fun zone WTF Dance Moms 4: Sarah Divorces Howard is some of my best work
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Cardiac posted:I am guessing due to the Sanderson comparison and not Le Guin. Fool!
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fritz posted:Who needs the pups for hugo drama when the wsfs is doing it their own drat selves : http://file770.com/the-meaning-of-it-all/ Since the Hugos are democratically elected and nominated, it is a little weird that Worldcon is issuing an official ruling. When people voted for AO3 to win, what did they think they were voting for? The true form and meaning of the award only exist in the hearts of the individuals who vote and witness it, which is really a problem with democratic awards in general.
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PST posted:Gareth Powell (author of a bunch of stuff) had a brief exchange with Transphobic bigot Richard Morgan on twitter This is good to hear. I like his work and I'm glad he's standing up for his kid. And for anyone who hasn't read his stuff, if the statement "sentient starship named 'Trouble Dog'" doesn't grab you, nothing will.
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Embers was decent, but nothing spectacular. Big Smart Object? Is the next one, Fleet of Knives, any better?
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Collateral posted:Embers was decent, but nothing spectacular. Big Smart Object? Is the next one, Fleet of Knives, any better? Same but not quite as good imo. Also really disliked the one about the monkey fighter pilot but YMMV.
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branedotorg posted:Also really disliked the one about the monkey fighter pilot but YMMV. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Hi all!! I haven't really followed fantasy ouside the more famous stuff these past few years but i was looking for recommendations on books/series. While i normally like smaller scale and/or weirdeir stuff i'm in the mood for something epic. For context i really like the erikson malazan books but couldn't get into the esslemont ones. I read the first law by abercrombie and the first bakker trilogy, and while entertaining, i found them lacking in some aspects. The stormlight archives were just dull and boring. Fantasy books i recently read and liked were Nights at the Circus by Angela Carter, The Iron Dragon's Daughter by Michael Swanwick and Lud-in-the-Mist, by Hope Mirrlees. If someone got recommendations about fantasy from non-english speaking countries those are welcome as well.
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Kefahuchi_son!!! posted:Hi all!! I haven't really followed fantasy ouside the more famous stuff these past few years but i was looking for recommendations on books/series. While i normally like smaller scale and/or weirdeir stuff i'm in the mood for something epic. You've read China Mieville? If not, he's probably your next jam.
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Kefahuchi_son!!! posted:Hi all!! I haven't really followed fantasy ouside the more famous stuff these past few years but i was looking for recommendations on books/series. While i normally like smaller scale and/or weirdeir stuff i'm in the mood for something epic. Kate Elliot's Crown of Stars series is a massive dark fantasy series about medieval europe vs itself vs demons vs the church. Warning for rape/slavery/intense trauma in the first book - note that she does escape her rapist, but the sequence getting there is brutal. Janny Wurts' To Ride Hell's Chasm is a rare 1-volume epic fantasy about a castle guard captain trying to find a missing princess; she has another series that is a bazillion books long and one volume away from being finished. It's about two princes landing in a fantasy world and they promptly get cursed to hate each other to the point of trying to kill each other. Naturally this leads to them hooking up with the local fantasy nations and basically creating civil war in the course of trying to kill each other. Kameron Hurley's dropping the final book in her Mirror Empire trilogy about a world being invaded + parallel universes + multiple countries having politics Michelle West/Sagara's main fantasy universe has a duology, a six book epic series of chonkers, and an eight book sequel/side-quel series of chonkers on top of that. It's the Essalieyan universe and is about demons and warfare and such. She also has a more urban fantasy-styled series called Elantra and it's about a cop in a fantasy world versus all kinds of magical disasters. Despite it being UF there's no romance, and the focus of the books has been more... basically sci-fi in tone as the heroine gets crash-courses in different cultures/species. Solving a murder for cat people versus stopping a crazy magic zone out of control in a dragon empire are very different plots, after all. Brian Stableford's Genesys trilogy is one of the weirdest things I've ever read, as it's set on a planet where everything rots quickly, and the humans who colonized it bio-engineered themselves so their teeth wouldn't rot and such. But their original tech did rot, so it's... medieval fantasy, but with science stuff to keep things fresh. The first book starts slow but then you hit the ant alien colonies and things go straight to weird. CS Friedman's Coldfire Trilogy is about another colony world humans colonized, but this time things went radically wrong because the world itself reacts to human thoughts and dreams. Think up a demon and it's real. Get enough people to believe in a God, and poof, there he is. The main plot is about a sorceress getting kidnapped by demon-things and a priest-sorcerer going on an epic quest to rescue her...but things get sidetracked quickly because there's also a damned vampire lord who's going to tag along, and the church ain't happy about anything.
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Long shot, but does anyone remember an urban fantasy novel that had Samson from the bible show up in it? I think he was leading a biker gang called Sons of Samson or something like that. I thought it might be the nightside series, or even the drood series, but nope. It's definitely an ebook, and was something I've read in the last 10 years or so. More than likely part of a series. I don't think they were the main characters or anything, just like, cameo appearances... but I can't be 100% sure. Friend got it, was the Remy Chandler series, he showed up in a book somewhere in it. Stupid_Sexy_Flander fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Kefahuchi_son!!! posted:Hi all!! I haven't really followed fantasy ouside the more famous stuff these past few years but i was looking for recommendations on books/series. While i normally like smaller scale and/or weirdeir stuff i'm in the mood for something epic. Check out Black Leopard, Red Wolf its basically set in fantasy africa and its a pretty refreshing take on fantasy no elf or orc poo poo. Its also queer as gently caress, that being said there is a lot of nasty poo poo in the book and its really grimdark if thats not your thing.
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Kefahuchi_son!!! posted:Hi all!! I haven't really followed fantasy ouside the more famous stuff these past few years but i was looking for recommendations on books/series. While i normally like smaller scale and/or weirdeir stuff i'm in the mood for something epic. Coming in from Malazan and with those tastes ? You want Glen Cook. Either the Black Company series or Dread Empire should fit your bill. Both of them have epic scale events going on, but your perspective is that of a single person on the ground caught up in some major poo poo. Dread Empire rotates POV characters within novels, Black Company has one POV per book styled as whoever is keeping the annals for the company at the time. Black Company follows a storied mercenary company in and out of service to the lesser evil, and then in pursuit of its own founding myths. Dread Empire is Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser get caught up in events way over their heads (par for the course for them) and oh yes, Fafhrd becomes a king and has to actually do the job for real. Black Company, first three books omnibus edition: https://smile.amazon.com/Chronicles-Black-Company-Book-ebook/dp/B009WUG56M/ref=sr_1_1 Dread Empire starting point.This is the prequel duology. It's the start of all the main character's stories and tells the story of some seriously pivotal events for the main trilogy (which is collected in A Cruel Wind, read that next). This is my recommended starting point, for publishing order start with A Cruel Wind https://smile.amazon.com/Fortress-Shadow-Dread-Empire-ebook/dp/B07H47XK68/ref=pd_sim_351_1/142-8429177-2327838
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StrixNebulosa posted:<book recommendations> I've read the Coldfire trilogy and some of Michelle Sagara West's older novels (Darklands were the first ebooks I got on a kindle, I got the 6 book series chonker paperbacks back in the day because of the cover art, and more recently read her Queen of the Dead trilogy). I'll have to check out the other stuff you listed. I could have sworn I read a trilogy by Kate Elliott with three books titled something like "The Sword", "The Crown" and "The Scepter". They aren't in her Wikipedia bibliography though. I'll have to check the shelf at my parents' house next time I go by to see who that was. My memory is terrible and I read about every fantasy series my Waldenbooks or B Dalton stocked back then. edit: The Sword, The Ring, and The Chalice by Deborah Chester. Memory is a weird thing. bagrada fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Thanks all for the recommendations!!! What's your opinion on them? Although the world was interesting, and with hints of various things happening in the background, i thought the book had a satisfying conclusion and didn't feel the need for a sequel or expansion. Hieronymous Alloy posted:You've read China Mieville? If not, he's probably your next jam. I've been meaning to follow Mieville more closely for some time, mainly for the outspoken politics, but only read kraken, which i enjoyed. I think i have a copy of the scar, is that a good followup? wow so many new things to search!! My potential reading list for the new year will include a lot more fantasy than anticipated!!´ I was gifted this as an early christmas present. The premise makes it seem just what i'm looking for. I always heard good things about black company and a translation of the first volume was recently released in my country, but the omnibus edition sounds tempting. Never heard of Dread Empire but will check it out.
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bagrada posted:I've read the Coldfire trilogy and some of Michelle Sagara West's older novels (Darklands were the first ebooks I got on a kindle, I got the 6 book series chonker paperbacks back in the day because of the cover art, and more recently read her Queen of the Dead trilogy). I'll have to check out the other stuff you listed. I could have sworn I read a trilogy by Kate Elliott with three books titled something like "The Sword", "The Crown" and "The Scepter". They aren't in her Wikipedia bibliography though. I'll have to check the shelf at my parents' house next time I go by to see who that was. My memory is terrible and I read about every fantasy series my Waldenbooks or B Dalton stocked back then. If you liked Coldfire you should also check out her Magister trilogy, which is textually unrelated but kind of a sequel thematically.
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To get on my soapbox for a mo - once I started looking there is so much good genre fiction written by women, and when I look in reclists on reddit or elsewhere they almost never come up, nevermind that they've been around for the same amount of time and are as good as the dude-written stuff or better. And that ticks me off! Okay thank you, I needed to get that off my chest.
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In 2018 I set a rule that I'd only read SFF by women and holy poo poo, do it, it was an awesome year where I discovered a ton of awesome and underappreciated writers.
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mllaneza posted:Black Company has one POV per book styled as whoever is keeping the annals for the company at the time. Mostly; there's at least one book which switches annalists partway through (and briefly to someone who is hilariously borderline illiterate). And then there's that one book where the POV has got some kind of unstuck-in-space-and-time thing going on. Also (although it's been ages since I read them) many of the books share one particular guy's POV.
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StrixNebulosa posted:To get on my soapbox for a mo - once I started looking there is so much good genre fiction written by women, and when I look in reclists on reddit or elsewhere they almost never come up, nevermind that they've been around for the same amount of time and are as good as the dude-written stuff or better. And that ticks me off! Found the problem.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:In 2018 I set a rule that I'd only read SFF by women and holy poo poo, do it, it was an awesome year where I discovered a ton of awesome and underappreciated writers. I just found it easier to not give a poo poo about the gender of the author. Why limit yourself?
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