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Episodes 2 & 3 are actually quite good, at the very least the individual components are superior to the Disney films; story beats, planets and world-building, visual design, vehicles, warfare, robots etc. The failing is in the characters, interactions, excessive green screen/CGI in place of physical effects and a lot of rushed parts in Ep 3. I have no shame in saying I love the whole design of the PT especially the clone army and their heavy vehicles, combining elements of the OT with modern aesthetics. It was a milestone for military science-fiction considering nothing much had happened in the genre since Aliens in 1986. I think bandwagon hate of the prequels is just dumb and makes you look like a philistine.
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the philistines were, of course, far more culturally developed than their enemies would have them
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Dec 24, 2019 14:26
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Rutibex posted:attack of the clones and revenge of the sith rule and are great movies. they are telling an actual logical story about the evolution of a galactic civilization. thats interesting! they are also visually stunning and well designed. every scene on Coruscant is amazing, it really pisses me off that we never see Coruscant once in the new trilogy. they also have extremely good soundtracks. yes brother spread the word!
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Dec 24, 2019 14:27
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super sweet best pal posted:It's the fault of every Rose fan who failed to buy several dozen Rose toys to make up for the mass exodus horrible nerds who buy toys and keep them in the package as an investment. Disney's market research drones probably just decided that the asian woman / black guy romance didn't play well with Chinese movie audiences so they had her downplayed. Disney already had John Boyega minimized on the Chinese TFA poster because they thought having a black character featured prominently might affect ticket sales. https://twitter.com/raykwong/status/671786339327578112?s=20
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Dec 24, 2019 14:31
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Hillary 2020 posted:Someone wanted to film a cool cavalry charge for no particular reason. Then after they blow up the macguffin that defeats the Final Order all the horses evaporate and they retreat on foot. They evaporated because they were force horses. Forses.
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Dec 24, 2019 14:36
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Barudak posted:Sheev telling his kid hes going down to the gas station to pick up some Snokes *Cackles maniacally*
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Hillary 2020 posted:Disney's market research drones probably just decided that the asian woman / black guy romance didn't play well with Chinese movie audiences so they had her downplayed. Oh right, can't forget China's racism.
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Dec 24, 2019 15:24
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Prequel apologists need to hyperspace jump back to CinD where they belong lmao
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Dec 24, 2019 16:06
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The main complaint I heard from Chinese people was that Rose is too ugly and fat.
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Dec 24, 2019 16:08
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Moola posted:Prequel apologists need to hyperspace jump back to CinD where they belong lmao Ideally they Holdo maneuver into it
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Dec 24, 2019 16:10
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Rutibex posted:Rise of Skywalker crossed a threshold from sci-fi into fantasy. it doesnt even count as star wars any more it has become space Lord of the Rings My understanding of Star Wars is that it has never been a Science Fiction property, merely a Space Fantasy property. Someone with a better or more elegant understanding of the genre fiction can do it more justice, but basically as Sci-Fi is about asking questions. All the most timeless works of the genre seek to establish rules and ideas and then try to imagine what happens when those rules break or are otherwise disregarded. “What if robots could reprogram themselves?” sort of stuff. Star Wars in all of the movies never really does that. Nothing in 4-5-6 really ever question the status quo or flip things on their head, they just tell a very simple story of space wizards fighting with magic swords to overthrow an evil king. At no point does Star Wars challenge your expectations or invert this premise. There’s nothing wrong with a fantasy story with Spaceships and Rancors instead of horses and dragons, but these movies were never about asking bold questions or exploring big ideas. Even the prequel trilogy, which explores bigger concepts like immaculate conception, Midichlorianz, and cloning never does anything even remotely interesting with those concepts.
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Dec 24, 2019 16:17
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these films literally open with "once upon a time in the magic space kingdom," people
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Dec 24, 2019 16:36
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Episodes II and III are the worst ones on account of extreme laziness in the film-making and just looking terrible. Episode I has the absolute worst script but that is partly because they weren't as loving lazy with it as they were with the next two so alot more just came up very, very wrong.
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Dec 24, 2019 16:41
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Star Wars has always been fantasy and lol if you thought otherwise. There's loving magic in it
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Dec 24, 2019 16:43
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My feeling toward prequel fans is that, to the extent they're not just being rank contrarians, they are people who seem more inclined toward giving a movie credit for simply including ideas rather than effectively dramatizing them. There's a place for the former and it's called a pamphlet
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Dec 24, 2019 16:47
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Of all the dumb poo poo in the film, how the gently caress did kylo ben get to the planet at the end when the tie fighter he took from the death star have been established forever as not having a hyperdrive?
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Dec 24, 2019 16:48
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Phantom Menace will always have a sweet spot in my heart because Darth Maul is the best villain in the series and no one has ever even come close in terms of being menacing and cool. All of Darth Vader's best characertization as a formidable opponent came like 30 years after the fact in video game cutscenes, he's lame as gently caress in the movies. Darth Maul is someone I could actually believe killed a temple full of jedi
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Dec 24, 2019 16:50
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I will always respect the prequels for being awful in a very peculiar way, since they were shat out by the singularly visionary mind of one very lazy, very dumb manchild, rather than being awful in the blandest way possible, like the Disney sequels.
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Dec 24, 2019 16:52
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Just Chamber posted:Ideally they Holdo maneuver into it Holdo my beer!
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Dec 24, 2019 16:56
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Bust Rodd posted:My understanding of Star Wars is that it has never been a Science Fiction property, merely a Space Fantasy property. yeah you are correct that 4-5-6 are a space western. but the prequel trilogy actually departed from that and became genuine sci-fi. which is why i really like them. its the closest thing i will ever get to seeing a Foundation movie on the big screen 
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Dec 24, 2019 16:58
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The prequels are terrible and Darth Maul is a loving void of a character.
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Dec 24, 2019 17:00
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Rutibex posted:yeah you are correct that 4-5-6 are a space western. but the prequel trilogy actually departed from that and became genuine sci-fi. which is why i really like them. its the closest thing i will ever get to seeing a Foundation movie on the big screen There's a bunch of genuine sci fi that has actual characters, drama and even ideas that they do stuff with.
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Dec 24, 2019 17:03
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Randarkman posted:There's a bunch of genuine sci fi that has actual characters, drama and even ideas that they do stuff with. yeah but it doesn't have as good of a soundtrack
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Dec 24, 2019 17:05
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Randarkman posted:Star wars are terrible and *character is a loving void of a character.
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Rutibex posted:yeah you are correct that 4-5-6 are a space western. but the prequel trilogy actually departed from that and became genuine sci-fi. which is why i really like them. its the closest thing i will ever get to seeing a Foundation movie on the big screen "Spinning is the last trick of the incompetent." -Salvor Hardin
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"From my point of view, it is the Foundation that is evil!" -Captain Han Pritcher
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the prequels barely skirt scifi territory, with such questions as "what would an army of robots look like" and "what would an army of clones look like" the prequels are just boring parliamentary procedural/ corporate takeover movies in a fantasy setting
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Kazak posted:the prequels barely skirt scifi territory, with such questions as "what would an army of robots look like" and "what would an army of clones look like" There isn't really much actual corporate takeover or criticism of corporations/capitalism in the prequels. It's all just labels really, with no substance to it. We never see the Trade Federation do anything which explicitly identifies them with corporate interests really, we just assume they are because they're called the Trade Federation. It's typical of the problem with the prequels and a good lesson that it's not enough to just have ideas, you kind of need to do something with them, most of all they should have a narrative purpose within the story (TLJ is guilty of this as well, especially with the MIC thing on the casino planet)
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Dec 24, 2019 17:20
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withak posted:My favorite part of the movie was Lando taking a moment to hit on the hot ex-stormtrooper lady a third of his age in the middle of the celebration scene. that was a spinoff hook and you also badly misread that scene
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Dec 24, 2019 17:23
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Randarkman posted:There isn't really much actual corporate takeover or criticism of corporations/capitalism in the prequels. It's all just labels really, with no substance to it. We never see the Trade Federation do anything which explicitly identifies them with corporate interests really, we just assume they are because they're called the Trade Federation. I meant Palpatine's shadowy takeover of the senate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SSGsGdkJ2c
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steinrokkan posted:"Spinning is the last trick of the incompetent." steinrokkan posted:"From my point of view, it is the Foundation that is evil!"  this guy gets it. but the Jedi are clearly the Second Foundation Rutibex fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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Rutibex posted:yeah you are correct that 4-5-6 are a space western. but the prequel trilogy actually departed from that and became genuine sci-fi. which is why i really like them. its the closest thing i will ever get to seeing a Foundation movie on the big screen Maybe watch Babylon 5 or Star Trek TNG, dude. Star Wars isn't genuine sci-fi ever.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Maybe watch Babylon 5 or Star Trek TNG, dude. Star Wars isn't genuine sci-fi ever. And that's fine.
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Randarkman posted:The prequels are terrible and Darth Maul is a loving void of a character. Yeah he has no characterization but he is a total badass and the best lightsaber fights in the entire series are all between him and Obi//Qui-Gon. It's not even close.
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah he has no characterization but he is a total badass and the best lightsaber fights in the entire series are all between him and Obi//Qui-Gon. It's not even close. It's not close, because the Luke/Vader fight in RotJ is way better and you actually care about what happens. The Empire fight is also better.
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The Maul/Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan fight is visually impressive as hell but yeah it would have been a lot better if Phantom gave us a reason to care about, you know, loving any of them. Maul is nothing, Qui-Gon is a piece of poo poo and Obi-Wan barely does enough in the movie to even be considered a main character, he's just kinda around in a lot of scenes looking mildly irritated.
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Dark Maul hated racism so much that he made himself into a devil monster man & dedicated himself to its eradication. Meanwhile, Maz Kanata
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Dec 24, 2019 17:43
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were these movies supposed to be more than laser sword duels in space? i like laser sword duels in space
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Randarkman posted:And that's fine. Yes, it is very fine. Part of the many reasons why I love Star Wars is because it's a cheesy action-adventure fantasy thing with laser swords and weird alien creatures.
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Colonel Cancer posted:Holdo my beer! Forget it, that's a one in a million beer!
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