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YOLOsubmarine posted:Dan Quinn is going to save his job and the Falcons are gonna win 5 games next year and we will be right back here talking about him again. Maybe if he put his coaches where they belong to start they wouldn't be in this position.
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Ghost Dog posted:hrrrm u convinced me. the browns are just the right number of firings away from being a contender. they are young, and on the rise Statistically this is true. They are X number of firings from being good. It's defining X that's the problem.
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wandler20 posted:Maybe if he put his coaches where they belong to start they wouldn't be in this position. I suspect the problem hasn't really been solved, just masked by bringing in some new schemes that there isn't much tape on yet. Give teams an off-season to figure out what the defense is doing in the second half of the year and the productivity probably drops again. But that also begs the question of why you'd keep a coach who is a defensive specialist that can't coach a defense and can't recognize how to best use his staff without losing like 7 straight games first.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:This is an utterly insane take that requires you to have not seen any browns games or read anything Kitchens has said. I’m not saying he’s a great coach. I’m saying it’s also not a very good roster. They’re a mediocre team with a mediocre record and four one score losses. If you want, I’ll happily make a bet that if they make a coaching change and no major roster changes their record will be the same or worse next year. Kind of hard to formulate the terms but I doubt any coach in the NFL would have wrung more than 9 wins out of the Browns
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Greggg wrung more wins out of the Browns last year with a worse roster.
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*gets another illegal formation penalty* "HEYYY REF, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PLAY FOOTBALL HERE"
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Thinking fondly of Fat Mike after that quote
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DeimosRising posted:I’m not saying he’s a great coach. I’m saying it’s also not a very good roster. They’re a mediocre team with a mediocre record and four one score losses. If you want, I’ll happily make a bet that if they make a coaching change and no major roster changes their record will be the same or worse next year. Kind of hard to formulate the terms but I doubt any coach in the NFL would have wrung more than 9 wins out of the Browns If they're getting 7 wins with a bad coach then perhaps they'd get more with a good coach, and make the playoffs? Unless you think Kitchens is a good coach?
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Hell, I'm more flummoxed by the "In training camp, we practiced to be a football team" portion of that quote.
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Maybe they should try to play basketball. Might help them improve.
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I swear to god black monday this motherfucker better be on the way to a black hole https://brownswire.usatoday.com/201...erickTonyReddit quote:They didn’t need them. Jackson quickly maneuvered the Baltimore offense down the field fast enough that they scored again with time to spare. Andrews caught his second TD pass inside the 2-minute warning with 15 seconds left, capping a drive that took just 46 seconds.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If they're getting 7 wins with a bad coach then perhaps they'd get more with a good coach, and make the playoffs? Unless you think Kitchens is a good coach? I didn’t see anything in the games I watched to make me think he was some insane football genius, but I also don’t think that team was better than 7-9 wins and the difference between 7 and 9 given the margins of their games and variance in their scoring is noise. Diva Cupcake posted:Greggg wrung more wins out of the Browns last year with a worse roster. He went 5-3 over the final 8 games. If they win Sunday they’ll be 5-3 over their final 8 games.
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Are you all ready to ESTABLISH THE RUN in Carolina?
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OneMoreTime posted:Are you all ready to ESTABLISH THE RUN in Carolina? what do you think we've been doing since 1995
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SKULL.GIF posted:Thinking fondly of Fat Mike after that quote If only there was a reference to "pad level" it'd be a dead ringer for him
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DeimosRising posted:I didn’t see anything in the games I watched to make me think he was some insane football genius, but I also don’t think that team was better than 7-9 wins and the difference between 7 and 9 given the margins of their games and variance in their scoring is noise. Playing the Bengals twice, broken rear end Steelers twice, Broncos, Jets and Dolphins should get a team of average talent to 7 wins without even considering any of the other games. But that aside your argument doesn't make any sense. You don't think Freddie is a good coach, but you also think that he's basically coached the Browns to their peak and any improvement would just be random noise. I think you're also the guy who asked what Jason Garrett was really doing that was so bad and stated that the Cowboys had a mediocre roster, so I'm guessing you just don't really think coaches matter.
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People adopting Ghost Dogs attempt to troll me as a literal stance is amazing. Freddie gave games to the Seahawks and Rams through sheer stupidity, lost to the Bronco's 3rd string QB in his first ever game with his rookie head coach, the Cardinals styled on him, lost to the utterly neutered Steelers and limped to a win against a neutered Adam Gase Jets. Nevermind the quote of him not bothering to game plan or even put effort into designing plays. There's holes in the roster but there's no excuse for finishing under .500 with it. The difference between 7-9 and 9-7 is one is was more likely to get you into the playoffs not noise Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Playing the Bengals twice, broken rear end Steelers twice, Broncos, Jets and Dolphins should get a team of average talent to 7 wins without even considering any of the other games. I definitely think they matter less than is generally supposed. I think they’re nevertheless more important than coaches in any other major sport. I also think the extreme randomness of football leads people to take results as much more definitive than they are Edit: I also think fans of mediocre teams like to imagine a simple change in scheme/coaching would unleash all the potential they saw when they were optimistic in the offseason, because that’s more fun than admitting your roster is just ok and will likely stay that way DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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Ches Neckbeard posted:People adopting Ghost Dogs attempt to troll me as a literal stance is amazing.
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DeimosRising posted:I definitely think they matter less than is generally supposed. I think they’re nevertheless more important than coaches in any other major sport. I also think the extreme randomness of football leads people to take results as much more definitive than they are It's more that Freddie is the most glaring problem. The most important reason to fire Freddie is how Baker looks from last year to this. He broke the rookie TD passing record in 12 games to maybe 20 td's by the end of the season. The big reason to hire Freddie is the offense looked good and Baker was flourishing and holy poo poo he's absolutely cratered. Freddie succeeded last year off Greg Williams leadership, Todd Haley's playbook and Zampese coaching Baker. Follow it up with his various confessed cluelessness and utterly disorganized style he should be fired. The other problems Offense: Both tackles needed addressed even before we traded Zietler (significantly weakening the interior line) for an overpaid pass rusher that can't stay healthy. The thing lost in the hindsight viewing is the Browns needed another receiver coming out of 2018. It was Landry and then a chasm in talent. We didn't need an OBJ but gently caress it sure he was a 1 and a serviceable safety. Dorsey has to prioritize fixing the line. Defense: On paper the defense should be better than it is. Going into the season we had a hole at safety and lacked depth everywhere but linebacker. Vernon continues to be overpaid and injured, Ward regressed hard, and then Myles got suspended exposing the complete lack of depth at edge that Vernon was supposed to help. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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my team needs 2 tackles, a safety, depth everywhere and another top tier skill position player. anyway we are consesnus best team in nfl no one close
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Ghost Dog posted:my team needs 2 tackles, a safety, depth everywhere and another top tier skill position player. anyway we are consesnus best team in nfl no one close because that's totally close to what I said. just stick to posting Ohio Sucks over and over like the other pro tiers. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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do you honestly believe it would be hard for me to find a post where you sold the team that needs like 4 starters on offense, multiple positions on defense and a starting caliber DB as a great team. you did it constantly for the entire offseason, daily. lmao
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Please spend your time being so cool to hyperbolically blow up my posts saying the Browns could win the north. I know you're jerking off already about the cool points you'll get in the afc north thread for it or did you finish just because you finally have my attention again?
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you can be cool in the afcn thread too, if you want. its where we all are cool and hang what we were talking about is if the browns are "loaded" with talent, someone up thread said the acceptable floor for them was a wild card team. Then you came in and listed out that they needed basically an entirely new offense outside of obj, baker and chubb, an entire backup defense, a new pass rush, and a starting safety as....evidence? that they are really really good and talented. That, to me, is insane.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Haslam selling is the impossible dream I remember when Haslam buying the team was supposed to save the Browns. Franchise is just cursed.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Haslam selling is the impossible dream To beat the divisional foe To bear with unbearable sorrow To run where the brave dare not go To right the unrightable team To try when your RBs are too weary To cross the unreachable line This is my quest, to follow that star No matter how hopeless, no matter how far To be willing to give when there's no more to give To be willing to tank so that honor and draft picks may live And I know if I'll only be true to this glorious quest That my bust will lie bronze in canton when I'm laid to my rest
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Lol at thinking everyone is teaming up to troll you instead of everyone just acknowledging popdog was right
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Teams can need a lot of things and still make the playoffs though. Case in point, the Steelers or Titans.
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OBJ and Baker have regressed and Chubb clearly isn’t being maximized, it’s not insane to think that a large portion of the Browns talent issues are caused by the inability of coaching to develop talent. Like if you cant get your offense to line up correctly how much should you be trusted to spot and correct the tiny flaws that can make up the difference between a starter or quality depth guy and a washout
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Remember when the Rams were considered stacked last year with no edge rush, crap linebackers or depth at any position? The talent is there for the browns to go 9-7 and be competitive for the north like I've said all year. Metapod posted:Lol at thinking everyone is teaming up to troll you instead of everyone just acknowledging popdog was right Because that's totally what I said. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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Easy way to fulfill the Rooney Rule. https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1209580716427603968?s=19
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DeimosRising posted:I definitely think they matter less than is generally supposed. I think they’re nevertheless more important than coaches in any other major sport. I also think the extreme randomness of football leads people to take results as much more definitive than they are The Falcons went from 1-7 in the first half to 6-2 in the second half and the only notable change they made was replacing Quinn as DC, but you think coaching doesn't matter that much?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The Falcons went from 1-7 in the first half to 6-2 in the second half and the only notable change they made was replacing Quinn as DC, but you think coaching doesn't matter that much? Wow a single example where you’ve assigned responsibility for the result to something because you can’t imagine any other variables that’s a strong argument you’ve convinced me
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DeimosRising posted:Wow a single example where you’ve assigned responsibility for the result to something because you can’t imagine any other variables that’s a strong argument you’ve convinced me Ok... What variables should be under consideration if one wants to make the argument that replacing Quinn isn’t the reason for the turn around?
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DeimosRising posted:Wow a single example where you’ve assigned responsibility for the result to something because you can’t imagine any other variables that’s a strong argument you’ve convinced me What variables made the players suddenly better at football despite the roster not changing?
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