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Can someone clarify this for me? Is the iron cross inherently a fascist symbol or is it one of the ones that the nazis just slapped on poo poo because they like stealing people's symbols and turning them racist? I know the iron cross was around before the nazis were and was used in the first world War and even further back.
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It wasn't exclusively Nazi, and its use is going to be very context dependent. Typically it's a military / militarism symbol. The Red Baron famously used it, but Iron Crosses appear on things ranging from the US Army marksman badges to West Coast Choppers. With stuff like that, consider it a multiplier like the OK sign or the number 88. It's innocuous on its own - but bundled with other fash garbage, it takes on way more significance.
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Dec 25, 2019 19:40
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Is black magic craft fash or no
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Dec 25, 2019 19:41
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The Skeleton King posted:Can someone clarify this for me? Is the iron cross inherently a fascist symbol or is it one of the ones that the nazis just slapped on poo poo because they like stealing people's symbols and turning them racist? I know the iron cross was around before the nazis were and was used in the first world War and even further back. No. Neo-Nazis like it because it's cross-shaped, appeared on a lot of Nazi military stuff, and won't immediately out them as neo-Nazis, but it's still in use as a legitimate symbol of the German armed forces.
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Dec 25, 2019 20:08
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Phi230 posted:Is black magic craft fash or no God I hope not, some of his poo poo is cool. Never seen any political stuff from him, just craft stuff. But I haven't watched all his stuff. It seems like the death threaders are a bunch of Muppets, but drat if being called a death threader isnt the coolest thing.
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Dec 25, 2019 20:40
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Actually the best thing is the pathetic obsessive brainwrongs who have spent years making up and repeating lies about the great 'GW Stan' conspiracy against them. That involves literally everyone not in their sad psuedo-cult. 
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Dec 25, 2019 20:57
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Actually the best thing is the pathetic obsessive brainwrongs who have spent years making up and repeating lies about the great 'GW Stan' conspiracy against them. That involves literally everyone not in their sad psuedo-cult. loving hell
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Dec 25, 2019 21:01
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Catfishenfuego posted:The best part about the death thread is Two Beans posted:I don't recall any "GW Stans" doing what you claim, Ilor posted:I definitely remember GW stans doing that, Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Actually oh my god get a room
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Dec 25, 2019 21:03
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fellas, is it fascist to like gw lore?
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Cat Face Joe posted:fellas, is it fascist to like gw lore?
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Dec 25, 2019 21:11
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90s Cringe Rock posted:No true fan of gw lore likes gw lore. No true fan of GW likes GW.
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Dec 25, 2019 21:15
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GW lore is full of unintended pitfalls that they don't really wanna correct, like how the Imperium has been destroying itself for 10,000 years of Somehow More Inept Than Nazis but at the same time the Empire occupies basically the same territory in the galaxy if we just compare HH to 40k maps and basically just lost the ability to field rayguns, hovercars, and as many mecha
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Dec 25, 2019 21:50
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left, Arch Warhammer right, "Sargon of Akkad"  That name never fails to make me roll my eyes
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Dec 25, 2019 22:20
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It's remarkable how much Arch looks like every lovely nerd I had to deal with as a staffer rolled into one. Can just see him haunting the painting tables all day, pouncing on unsuspecting browsing non-Hams to vomit decades old memes at them and scream at children about THE LORE.
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Dec 25, 2019 22:27
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TheBigAristotle posted:left, Arch Warhammer Fixed that for you.
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Dec 25, 2019 22:51
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The Skeleton King posted:Can someone clarify this for me? Is the iron cross inherently a fascist symbol or is it one of the ones that the nazis just slapped on poo poo because they like stealing people's symbols and turning them racist? I know the iron cross was around before the nazis were and was used in the first world War and even further back.
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Dec 25, 2019 23:14
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So, I’m terms of using Nazi co-opted imagery, is the phrase “Black Sun” okay to use? I know that there’s a particular bit of iconography that the Nazis stoke from alchemists that means Black Sun, but if I use the phrase separate from that icon, is still fash dog whistle?
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Dec 25, 2019 23:19
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As long as you're not using it in conjunction with a sonnenrad "Black Sun" as a phrase isn't very fash imho. It comes up in a lot of sci-fi and cult fiction because the concept of a 'dark sun' is one of those pretty common tropes.
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Dec 25, 2019 23:32
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History Comes Inside! posted:As long as you're not using it in conjunction with a sonnenrad "Black Sun" as a phrase isn't very fash imho. It comes up in a lot of sci-fi and cult fiction because the concept of a 'dark sun' is one of those pretty common tropes. It is very metal
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Dec 25, 2019 23:32
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Meinberg posted:So, I’m terms of using Nazi co-opted imagery, is the phrase “Black Sun” okay to use? I know that there’s a particular bit of iconography that the Nazis stoke from alchemists that means Black Sun, but if I use the phrase separate from that icon, is still fash dog whistle? It's a dog whistle if it's referring to the sonnenrad specifically. The black sun as depicted by the Nazis was invented from whole cloth by Himmler, and is made of 12 Sig runes (as seen in the SS logo).
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Dec 25, 2019 23:35
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So I have like, a freakishly dense beard, through a freak of genetic inheritance I have the kind of beard that means every week or two a random person asks me for beard growing advice (I guess, do not cut it and wash with shampoo daily?). 'Sargon of Akkad' is such a poo poo that he somehow makes me want to keep growing said beard out and put it into bronze beard rings so that I can out beard him
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Dec 26, 2019 00:22
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Patrat posted:So I have like, a freakishly dense beard, through a freak of genetic inheritance I have the kind of beard that means every week or two a random person asks me for beard growing advice (I guess, do not cut it and wash with shampoo daily?). It wouldn't be hard, his beard game is pathetic. 
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Dec 26, 2019 00:28
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You don't need to outbeard him, he's way outbearded already. The Left has maintained global beard superiority for over a hundred years. also eh, come on, judging by that photo his beard is C-tier at best.
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Dec 26, 2019 00:31
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Liquid Communism posted:It's a dog whistle if it's referring to the sonnenrad specifically. The black sun as depicted by the Nazis was invented from whole cloth by Himmler, and is made of 12 Sig runes (as seen in the SS logo). Just seconding this - the Nazi ‘black sun’ has nothing to do with the ‘sol niger’ of alchemy, which is one of the stages of the classic alchemical sequence. It doesn’t have any connection to Bataille’s black sun/solar anus either, though Nazis are definitely full of poo poo. Basically black suns are fine unless they use the SS design in which case they mean Nazis and only Nazis.
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Dec 26, 2019 00:36
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That is indeed some pretty weak bearding, this was me a year ago and my facial hair has grown only stronger since: And I am pretty lefty so presumably my soy boy weakness should be sapping my ability to grow facial hair? I think that is how it works. He really should not be allowed to have an online handle with such epic beard power whilst looking like that.
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Dec 26, 2019 00:39
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For the record “sonnenrad” means “sun wheel” ; I have no idea why it’s translated so often as “black sun” except that it’s usually drawn in black? Dumb rear end fash don’t know this and should be bashed regardless, but even in German “black sun” isn’t a taboo term to my knowledge.
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Dec 26, 2019 00:55
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Xiahou Dun posted:For the record “sonnenrad” means “sun wheel” ; I have no idea why it’s translated so often as “black sun” except that it’s usually drawn in black?
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Dec 26, 2019 02:27
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90s Cringe Rock posted:IIRC it comes from some pulp novel? Are you thinking of vril?
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TheBigAristotle posted:left, Arch Warhammer The master race is always the most jank rear end looking white dudes. From Himmler to Arch. Carl looks like a loving catch in comparison.
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Dec 26, 2019 02:49
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Joe Slowboat posted:Are you thinking of vril? Wikipedia says it was actually a 90s novel? I was thinking something earlier, but I'm not a true aryan scholar of the deepest nazi occult lore.
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TheBigAristotle posted:left, Arch Warhammer Carl of Swindon is a fairly normal looking dude and Arch looks a man in a state of suspended collapse. Like he got halfway done melting and then someone hit pause.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Wikipedia says it was actually a 90s novel? I was thinking something earlier, but I'm not a true aryan scholar of the deepest nazi occult lore. The one you're looking for doesn't have "black sun" in the title, and it's impossible to google because there's more than 10 novels published since the '70s that do have "black sun" in the title, including at least one warhammer book. E: Wait, it is the vril one, isn't it? E2: Yep, but it looks like it was a much later group of weirdos that just said there was a group of weirdos in the '30s doing whatever weirdo poo poo that something something vril black sun aryan energies something whatever and that's not actually in the vril book/s. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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Corrode posted:Carl of Swindon is a fairly normal looking dude and Arch looks a man in a state of suspended collapse. Like he got halfway done melting and then someone hit pause. The great part is it's clearly filmed from a low angle to make them seem larger and Arch still looks like a bearded baby.
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His hairline is hilarious, he looks constantly like he's wearing a wig that's slipping off the back of his head.
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Dec 26, 2019 16:01
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:His hairline is hilarious, he looks constantly like he's wearing a wig that's slipping off the back of his head. Barber, give me the uh... fish's tail part, with a weedwhacker on the sides, and please don't rinse out the three-day grease
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Dec 26, 2019 16:32
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The master race is always the most jank rear end looking white dudes. From Himmler to Arch.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The master race is always the most jank rear end looking white dudes. From Himmler to Arch. 
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Gun Jam posted:"The aryan type. A blond man like Hitler, slim like Göring, tall like Goebells" What is this from? The non-jewish half of my family is alsatian and was there for the whole war, so french poo poo with notes or stamps or reprints in GERMAN FRAKTUR are something I've seen a lot of. Just not usually mocking the nazis. e: also my grandfather apparently became basically a lifelong nazi around 17 and mainly got into it based on the snappy uniforms and parades and being told how cool and good he was compared to those gallic swine and jew dogs, so really he was a living example of how the fascists focus on being aesthetically appealing. I wonder how he felt about his superior german manufacturing canteen and sexily-tailored uniform when he was clanking around Russia and Italy. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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“Type” at the time also meant like “eligible young man” and not just literally “type”. That meaning oddly enough survives as a loanword in German today. I don’t think it does anymore though, or if it does you’d probably sound weird and old. (Edgar Allen Ho or another native francophone want to chime in?) I don’t know why I’m carefully translating things here. Sorry.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What is this from? TBH, I just remembered the joke, googled it to get the mockery right, and found this reddit thread, so  Xiahou Dun posted:“Type” at the time also meant like “eligible young man” and not just literally “type”. That meaning oddly enough survives as a loanword in German today. I don’t think it does anymore though, or if it does you’d probably sound weird and old. (Edgar Allen Ho or another native francophone want to chime in?) I blame copy-paste.
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