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In that first part of TFA where Finn refuses to gun down civilians, he looks around and sees his fellow soldiers doing warcrimes pretty enthusiastically. When he guns down stormtroopers after that, he's stopping them from doing further warcrimes. Permanently.
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They're incompetently written movies
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Dec 26, 2019 17:08
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It's honestly amazing to me that they put this much effort into telling such a slapdash story. Just in the car ride to see cats complaining about it we were able to writer's room workshop a lot of punch ups that made poo poo work better-- without even messing too much with overall plotting.
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Dec 26, 2019 17:12
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"The flaw in the Rey stories, said the visitor from outer space, was that Rey, who didn’t look like much, was actually the Grandaughter of the Most Powerful Being in the Universe." -Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse Five
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Dec 26, 2019 17:13
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Ah, see you shot yourself in the foot by putting any kind of thought past "weee spaceships and lazer swords" into it. Rookie mistake.
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Dec 26, 2019 17:23
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:The only thing I can think of is… does JJ Abrams actually think having parents who were not special or significant is something awful* and worth getting upset over? Can't imagine why the child of two successful, well-connected film and television producers who just got his teenage kid a job writing spider-man comics would come to this conclusion
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Dec 26, 2019 17:40
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why did they give every star destroyer a planet killing weapon but gave only one of them space GPS
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Dec 26, 2019 17:44
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Away all Goats posted:why did they give every star destroyer a planet killing weapon but gave only one of them space GPS No why.
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Dec 26, 2019 17:46
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Big Beef City posted:I have never understood why anyone gives a loving poo poo that Carrie Fisher died (other than that a human being died, obviously) but so many people are like 'oh God, Carrie Fisher oh no' like one of Hollywood's brightest stars burnt out instead of some old cokehead kicking off. Read Wishfull Drinking. She refers to George Lucas as "the man who ruined my life" and talks about meeting fans who were very open about how often they used to beat it to her. It's a hilariously dark memoir.
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I'm not going to read a book about a guy who I already know sucks, and actress I already don't like, and goons. Good suggestion tho. e: Like no poo poo Lucas sucked, and no poo poo she was hosed up, and no poo poo nerds jacked off to her. There was a book in that? ee: No or are you just being super creepy and making that book into personal masturbation material? Because what the gently caress who reads this outside of it falling out of a Readers Digest preview section they found of an old copy at a cottage as a kid? ...The gently caress was going on there? Never post again you creepy gently caress. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 26, 2019 17:51
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Away all Goats posted:why did they give every star destroyer a planet killing weapon but gave only one of them space GPS to give the non-jedi something to do in the traditional double-climax. instead of making us suspend disbelief for yet another a load bearing ship they could have built pryde up a little more as a thrawn type and made the mission to do a double-decapitation strike with a throwaway line of "even without an emperor they'll follow a genious hardliner like pryde. get them both and the fleet will be in disarray, easy pickings" without having to change barely anything. if you wanted you could even have them audible from ground to air mission with "he left the ground base and is headed for that destroyer in a shuttle under escort." hell then you can have a little more tension with the fighters trying and failing to get him in transit, he makes it to the bay and it turns into the assault over the destroyer in atmosphere as shot.
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Dec 26, 2019 17:52
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Big Beef City posted:e: Like no poo poo Lucas sucked, and no poo poo she was hosed up, and no poo poo nerds jacked off to her. There was a book in that? The sacred Jedi texts!
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Dec 26, 2019 17:55
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Away all Goats posted:why did they give every star destroyer a planet killing weapon but gave only one of them space GPS The Emperor has a weird sense of humor.
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Dec 26, 2019 17:58
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sassassin posted:Obi Wan bats for the other team. He's a Sith? What evidence do you have for this.
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Dec 26, 2019 18:00
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Big Beef City posted:I'm not going to read a book about a guy who I already know sucks, and actress I already don't like, and goons. Good suggestion tho. Haha holy poo poo throw in another edit. Yes it is I who is the creepy and weird one
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Dec 26, 2019 18:11
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Away all Goats posted:why did they give every star destroyer a planet killing weapon but gave only one of them space GPS or heck, why not launch all the ships before you send out your galaxy wide message
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Dec 26, 2019 18:17
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Rutibex posted:or heck, why not launch all the ships before you send out your galaxy wide message No why.
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Dec 26, 2019 18:22
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Big Beef City posted:I'm not going to read a book about a guy who I already know sucks, and actress I already don't like, and goons. Good suggestion tho. 
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Dec 26, 2019 18:22
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Rutibex posted:or heck, why not launch all the ships before you send out your galaxy wide message Maybe the Fortnite event has a set date and Palpy just couldn't miss it
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Dec 26, 2019 18:23
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It is I: a goon. Therefore it is not me who is the one consumed by hatred and futility. It is YOU who is foolish for enjoying frivolities and embracing the human experience in its fragility!
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Dec 26, 2019 18:32
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Big Beef City posted:I have never understood why anyone gives a loving poo poo that Carrie Fisher died (other than that a human being died, obviously) but so many people are like 'oh God, Carrie Fisher oh no' like one of Hollywood's brightest stars burnt out instead of some old cokehead kicking off. I always thought she had a sad life. Hothoused into acting, dysfunctional parents, had only one (maybe two) iconic roles, substance abuse issues, mental illness, dropped like Hollywood drops almost every aging actress, writes a series of well-received books but they're all ironic and meta about celebrity and fame like "I never wanted to be famous anyway (but I do)" and 40 years after the fact writing a tell-all memoir. If you removed Star Wars from the equation, people would be calling it tragic.
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Dec 26, 2019 18:34
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Big Beef City posted:I'm not going to read a book about a guy who I already know sucks, and actress I already don't like, and goons. Good suggestion tho. what's your Big Beef with Carrie Fisher
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Full agreement here, except I wouldn't call it "turning your brain off". Like, in order to get full enjoyment you have to be smart enough to know you're watching something dumb. And I don't even mean it in that mean-spirited "watching it ironically" fashion, but rather just being honest with yourself that sometimes the things you love are actually really corny if you try to be objective about it. The movie's corny in all the right ways in order to feel authentic. Could you elaborate on this a little, because I see some truth in it. Rey starts the trilogy as an already pretty powerful character, so her arc feels somewhat non-existent(sets up mysterious past element, drops it and then shoehorns it back in in the final film). Seems they could have gone for something more akin to Legend of Korra where the challenges she faces are thus more related to her inner/spiritual self, character flaws, etc. and overcoming those, but it doesn't exactly go that direction either. Anyway, I really didn't like this movie and I did very much try to recognize it as dumb star wars popcorn flick fun, but the plot and pacing were just such a mess and it seems that it can barely decide what it wants to do from scene to scene. The last act is especially guilty of this, where we have the moment of hopelessness and loss for our heroes followed by "unexpected" hope and victory happen three or four times within 20 minutes.
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Dec 26, 2019 18:41
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Big Beef City posted:I'm not going to read a book about a guy who I already know sucks, and actress I already don't like, and goons. Good suggestion tho. usually when you edit you should demonstrate better reading comprehension of what you're replying to than what you originally posted, not worse
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Dec 26, 2019 18:42
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nonathlon posted:I always thought she had a sad life. Hothoused into acting, dysfunctional parents, had only one (maybe two) iconic roles, substance abuse issues, mental illness, dropped like Hollywood drops almost every aging actress, writes a series of well-received books but they're all ironic and meta about celebrity and fame like "I never wanted to be famous anyway (but I do)" and 40 years after the fact writing a tell-all memoir. If you removed Star Wars from the equation, people would be calling it tragic. yeah real tragic life being rich and just writing books and doing coke. Sounds loving miserable and not at all a better life than 90% of the population of this planet
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Dec 26, 2019 18:52
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Fisher's "Postcards from the edge" is pretty fun for the first part. They even made a movie about it (shirley mclane, meryl streep?) I never saw.
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Big Beef City posted:I'm not going to read a book about a guy who I already know sucks, and actress I already don't like, and goons. Good suggestion tho. 
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Dec 26, 2019 18:56
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im thinkin about Palpatiney's big ol evil palpaweenie
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do you think he can shot lightning from his wenis?
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That's fine. Goons can go nuts defending a film heroine over...uh Star Wars. Have at it.
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Big Beef City posted:That's fine. Goons can go nuts defending a film heroine over...uh Star Wars. Have at it. the gently caress dude..
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Moola posted:the gently caress dude.. ya ever read the rest of the thread? c'mon.
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Palpatine, more like Fuckpatine
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The thing that's weird for me is that Leia was seemingly so lionized by Disney over the other two main characters. Han is presented as a deadbeat loser in TFA before being killed to up the stakes. I know Ford said he wouldn't come back unless Han was killed but that doesn't explain him being presented as a complete and total loser in the rest of TFA. Disney also greenlit a script that recasts Luke as an old grump who tried to murder a child and lacks almost all of his iconic traits from the OT. Seems like a weird thing for Disney to let Rian do to such an iconic character. Meanwhile though Leia is apparently untouchable. Offscreen prior to TFA and during it she's a proactive badass who's rebuild the Rebels and is leading them against the First Order. In TLJ (and this is entirely conjecture and speculation, I have no proof) it really feels like Rian wanted to kill her as well as Luke, as part of the whole "let old things die" message, but Disney put their foot down and said "no Leia cannot die" so you get dumb poo poo like her superman posing back into her ship after being blown into space. Or Holdo, who FWIW is very well acted by Laura Dern but feels like replacement Leia in a movie that already has Leia, which leads me to believe her whole arc and eventual sacrifice were supposed to be Leia's, but again Disney said no so Rian spun up a new character to pick up that arc. I can't comment on her portrayal in ROS since I haven't seen it, but from what I've heard ITT she gets a similar glowing treatment and only dies in universe because the actress died. I get why people really like Leia, but that she seemed to be untouchable while Han and Luke were free to be poo poo on is bizarre to me.
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well that seems very serious. Very Not TOUCHABLY SERIOUS BLAM THERE IT GOES
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Sydin posted:The thing that's weird for me is that Leia was seemingly so lionized by Disney over the other two main characters. Han is presented as a deadbeat loser in TFA before being killed to up the stakes. I know Ford said he wouldn't come back unless Han was killed but that doesn't explain him being presented as a complete and total loser in the rest of TFA. Disney also greenlit a script that recasts Luke as an old grump who tried to murder a child and lacks almost all of his iconic traits from the OT. Seems like a weird thing for Disney to let Rian do to such an iconic character. Leia's character got hijacked to be kathleen kennedy's self insert, OP. Hence why she cannot fail, only be failed
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Fisher also did script doctoring (punching up poo poo like Hook and Sister Act) and was pretty open about her struggles with addiction and mental health. iirc her burial urn was a novelty Prozac pill?
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Sydin posted:The thing that's weird for me is that Leia was seemingly so lionized by Disney over the other two main characters. Han is presented as a deadbeat loser in TFA before being killed to up the stakes. I know Ford said he wouldn't come back unless Han was killed but that doesn't explain him being presented as a complete and total loser in the rest of TFA. Disney also greenlit a script that recasts Luke as an old grump who tried to murder a child and lacks almost all of his iconic traits from the OT. Seems like a weird thing for Disney to let Rian do to such an iconic character.
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Likewise Luke being a coward failson.
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Sydin posted:The thing that's weird for me is that Leia was seemingly so lionized by Disney over the other two main characters. Han is presented as a deadbeat loser in TFA before being killed to up the stakes. I know Ford said he wouldn't come back unless Han was killed but that doesn't explain him being presented as a complete and total loser in the rest of TFA. Disney also greenlit a script that recasts Luke as an old grump who tried to murder a child and lacks almost all of his iconic traits from the OT. Seems like a weird thing for Disney to let Rian do to such an iconic character. I don't see anything wrong with this (except that I agree she should have died in the second one). Of all the other characters, Leia had her poo poo the most together in the OT. She was literally (as royalty) a born leader and was in the rebellion for the long haul. Han and Luke were just a couple boyish yahoos that got swept up in the thing she spearheaded.
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