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I don't know about Toyota issues except for sludging due to overlong oil change intervals. Mazda has done pretty well lately. I know Honda had has issues with the L15Dx turbo engine. Hyundai/Kia just had a massive recall. Subaru, same. Mazda only makes 3 or 4 engines, though, so I guess that helps. Maybe it's Mazda now? GM and Ford are not as good as Honda or Toyota on the whole. Mitsubishi? lol Volvo, no Anything German is right out. Italian hahahahhahah.
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meatpimp posted:Fiat / Chrysler / Fiat-Chrysler should all count as the same answer, imo. It's one company. Also Alfa Romeo.
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meatpimp posted:Fiat / Chrysler / Fiat-Chrysler should all count as the same answer, imo. It's one company. I clarified my answer as such. FCA is the parent company.
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You could make a case they should all be put together, but I took a pretty hard line when it came to combining answers for this question in particular, since it didn't really seem right for someone who said Chrysler specifically to be combined with someone who said Alfa specifically, same parent company or not. Plus, I did the same thing on the opposite question, breaking Lexus and Toyota apart.
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Dec 26, 2019 03:27
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And now I mount a comeback from behind!  Also, 69? nice
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MrChips posted:You could make a case they should all be put together, but I took a pretty hard line when it came to combining answers for this question in particular, since it didn't really seem right for someone who said Chrysler specifically to be combined with someone who said Alfa specifically, same parent company or not. Plus, I did the same thing on the opposite question, breaking Lexus and Toyota apart. I can see your reasoning, but maybe using the word "brand" instead of "manufacturer" muddied the waters a bit since reliability is probably consistent across most manufacturers' marques. As for who really gets to be top dog on reliability; Despite being a Toyota guy I'd argue Honda is still top dog, if only barely and I am surprised Toyota sheeped higher. Both of them need to step up or they'll be on par with GM and Ford soon enough. I do not have a high opinion of Mazda but I do understand they're generally not awful (mine was awful), but Mazda is also Japanese Ford, Nissan is basically Japanese Renault, I read way too many Subaru horror-stories on this very forum for them to be considered, and Mitsubishi is Japanese Chrysler and therefore poo poo. Hyundai has improved significantly but is not quite there yet. Across the big pond, Ford and GM are superior to FCA and I think it's safe to say nobody here is broken enough to think any FCA product is reliable. Across the littler pond reliability does not seem to be a priority and thusly counts out all of Europe and the rest of continental Asia. Fermented Tinal fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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sharkytm posted:Are you all living in 2000? Toyota has slipped badly. Baa I dunno why I put KIA in for answer 6 when my placeholder was [Italian car]
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Dec 26, 2019 05:04
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I'm not surprised Toyota sheeped that high. For a long loving time, the default recommendation for "I don't care about anything but reliability" in a cheap used car has been a Toyota product in one way or another.
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Dec 26, 2019 05:05
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A $1000 beater is not a beater.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I'm not surprised Toyota sheeped that high. For a long loving time, the default recommendation for "I don't care about anything but reliability" in a cheap used car has been a Toyota product in one way or another. If you want a reliable and cheap used car you really can't go wrong with the three Cs, even now. Camry, Corolla, Civic. Two of 'em are Toyotas.
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My boiler plate for friend car recommendations is "any Honda that isn't V6/Auto, any Mazda not trashed by rust or any Toyota made before 2005" (after which they ask me to go help look at this cool Audi/Nissan/Mini they found for a great deal!!!  )But I'd rather deal with a Mazda alllllll day long.
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Dec 26, 2019 07:17
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Guess what the #1 most reliable car is according to Consumer Report's reader survey Mazda MX-5 Listing of the most reliable brands? Lexus Mazda Toyota Porsche Genesis [they consider this a separate brand?] etc. Honda is #12!
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Fermented Tinal posted:I can see your reasoning, but maybe using the word "brand" instead of "manufacturer" muddied the waters a bit since reliability is probably consistent across most manufacturers' marques. Subies are reliable as long as you're willing and able to do a lot of preventative maintenance. Nissans tend to grenade CVTs. Toyotas are still pretty solid driving appliances.
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Liquid Communism posted:Subies are reliable as long as you're willing and able to do a lot of preventative maintenance. Thats not true - Subie's are in reality reliable even with bad maintenace and even under general abuse. The biggest problem is that turbo models get owned by idiots that like to do knock tuning on poo poo fuel then have the shits their piston rings break due to their own stupidity. Meanwhile in places that use the recommended fuel (98 RON) and dont tune the engine till it knocks and back off half a degree, they go forever. Issues with CVT reliability are industry-wide so I'm not sure you can pin that on Subaru. Issues with older H6's eventually blowing head gaskets seem to be more about climate change has moved the enviroment window outside of original design specs (but again that's a problem for a lot of other cars too) EJ20 powered Subarus are going to outlive cockroaches in the coming apocalypse IOwnCalculus posted:I'm not surprised Toyota sheeped that high. For a long loving time, the default recommendation for "I don't care about anything but reliability" in a cheap used car has been a Toyota product in one way or another. It still is because I cant think of ANY brand that still just runs like Toyota.
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Dec 26, 2019 12:04
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sharkytm posted:I clarified my answer as such. FCA is the parent company. MrChips posted:You could make a case they should all be put together, but I took a pretty hard line when it came to combining answers for this question in particular, since it didn't really seem right for someone who said Chrysler specifically to be combined with someone who said Alfa specifically, same parent company or not. Plus, I did the same thing on the opposite question, breaking Lexus and Toyota apart. Yeah, this makes sense. I should have read closer. The question asked for "Brand," Fiat - Chrysler is the Manufacturer. It is interesting, though, that the most and least reliable Manufacturers had more than half of the repsondant answers! AI likes Toyota and doesn't like Fiat - Chrysler.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Thats not true - Subie's are in reality reliable The diesel debacle was/is a complete clusterfuck tho.
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Dec 26, 2019 14:32
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Question 7: The Germans have a very long history of making cars. This car built by a German company is the one that I dream of driving the most.   Question 8: This piece of technology redefined the car as we know it today.    Answers soon...
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Dec 26, 2019 23:00
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My hopes are rising!
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Dec 26, 2019 23:23
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Starting to think I may have whiffed on question 8!
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Question 7: The Germans have a very long history of making cars. This car built by a German company is the one that I dream of driving the most. Porsche 911 - 15 IOwnCalculus McTinkerson luminalflux Elephanthead turb Beverly Cleavage Maksimus54 SharkyTM superdylan Slung Blade nitsuga Dadliest Worrier Modus Man Bentai Terrible Robot Audi Quattro - 3 Stevobob Liquid Communism Deeters E30 M3 - 3 slothrop eaten by a grue Grakkus Porsche 911 GT3 - 3 Bajaha The Royal Nonesuch Somewhat Heroic Mercedes 560 SEC AMG - 2 Seat Safety Switch Powershift Porsche Carrera GT - 2 sirr0bin CannonFodder Mercedes SLS - 2 Elmnt80 meatpimp BMW 850CSi - 2 Kazinsal The Door Frame Mercedes 300 gullwing - 2 StormDrain heffray Porsche 918 - 2 Korwen pr0craztinazn VW Beetle (original style) - 2 Freelop Fermented Tinal ACES: NSU Ro80 - CAT INTERCEPTOR Audi R8 - No Wake BMW E82 1M in that burnt orange. Fight me. - bolind BMW - CornHolio RS5 Avant - toplitzin The one I own  - NumbersMatching320i W124 TE 4matic. - cursedshitbox Mercedes Unimog - InitialDave Opel GT - ephphatha BMW 2002 tii - nadmonk BMW E36 M3 - Nebakenezzer 507 - Chunjee Porsche - Wrar BMW E30 - builds character Mercedes Benz 300 SEL 6.3 - Charles BMW M1 - Nitrospazzz S65 AMG - LloydDobler M8 - Alarbus Maybach Exclero - Fender Anarchist Question 8: This piece of technology redefined the car as we know it today. Fuel injection - 8 IOwnCalculus luminalflux ephphatha Somewhat Heroic nadmonk SharkyTM Dadliest Worrier NumbersMatching320i The Computer - 4 Grakkus Fender Anarchist Kazinsal Slung Blade Automatic transmission - 3 StormDrain heffray Bentai Adaptive Cruise Control - 2 The Door Frame toplitzin Turbos - 2 McTinkerson Beverly Cleavage Modern 3-pedal layout (clutch/brake/accelerator) - 2 InitialDave CannonFodder hybrids - 2 Chunjee eaten by a grue Internal combustion engine - 2 Powershift Nitrospazzz Smart phone - 2 Deeters Elephanthead Electric Vehicles - 2 Bajaha No Wake Electric starter - 2 Charles Freelop The touch screen - 2 Modus Man pr0craztinazn Lithium Ion Battery - 2 LloydDobler nitsuga ACES: The V8 - Seat Safety Switch Seatbelts - Stevobob In-dash screens - Liquid Communism Airbags - The Royal Nonesuch Glovebox big enough for a axe - CAT INTERCEPTOR Heated steering wheel - bolind radio - CornHolio The Carburetor. - cursedshitbox Robots - sirr0bin Driver assists - Elmnt80 GPS - slothrop keyless entry and start - turb unibody structures - Nebakenezzer Automatic windscreen wipers - Maksimus54 Anti-lock Brakes - Wrar Self-driving technology - Korwen Battery packs - superdylan Smart Summon - builds character CAN Bus - meatpimp Mirrors - Fermented Tinal Safety regulations - Terrible Robot Disc Brakes - Alarbus
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Scores after question 8: luminalflux - 89 IOwnCalculus - 88 Bajaha - 81 turb - 77 superdylan - 77 Elephanthead - 76 Somewhat Heroic - 76 nitsuga - 76 Terrible Robot - 75 No Wake - 72 Fermented Tinal - 72 Kazinsal - 71 meatpimp - 70 pr0craztinazn - 70 Modus Man - 69 nadmonk - 68 Dadliest Worrier - 68 Nitrospazzz - 67 SharkyTM - 66 Maksimus54 - 65 Liquid Communism - 64 McTinkerson - 63 Beverly Cleavage - 63 Powershift - 63 LloydDobler - 62 The Royal Nonesuch - 59 slothrop - 59 Nebakenezzer - 59 Chunjee - 59 Wrar - 59 builds character - 58 sirr0bin - 57 Fender Anarchist - 57 Seat Safety Switch - 55 bolind - 55 Korwen - 54 Elmnt80 - 52 StormDrain - 52 heffray - 52 Grakkus - 51 Stevobob - 50 Freelop - 50 InitialDave - 49 Bentai - 48 toplitzin - 46 CannonFodder - 46 Deeters - 46 Slung Blade - 46 Alarbus - 46 Charles - 43 CornHolio - 37 eaten by a grue - 37 The Door Frame - 32 NumbersMatching320i - 31 ephphatha - 25 cursedshitbox - 12 CAT INTERCEPTOR - 8 See you tomorrow for the reveal of Questions 9 and 10!
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MrChips posted:Mercedes SLS - 2  I thought that'd be an ace, but Elmnt80 knows what's up.quote:Question 8: This piece of technology redefined the car as we know it today. Lots of solid arguments to be made here, but I think bolind was the only one that was correct.
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69, fine as wine I thought there would be more
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MrChips posted:Question 7: The Germans have a very long history of making cars. This car built by a German company is the one that I dream of driving the most. Aww yeah, someone else loves the E31 as much as me
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meatpimp posted:
 I'd give it to fuel injection, then heated seats. Then again, I live in the south, so heated seats is really a bougie af thing for me to have. But hey, the butts warm in 2-3 minutes, the car is still pegged on cold works for me.
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Everyone who DIDN'T answer "Unimog" needs to be asked the same question by a voluptuous German lass wearing traditional dress sat on their face.
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MrChips posted:
poo poo, how could I have forgotten about this piece of perfection. Fender Anarchist, you know what's up.
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Wow, I think this is the best I've ever done in an AI sheep game. Feels weird, I hope I start doing poorly soon
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I have exactly twice as many points as I wanted to have by the end of this.
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MrChips posted:Question 7: The Germans have a very long history of making cars. This car built by a German company is the one that I dream of driving the most. poo poo, I want to change my answer. CornHolio posted:I'm unintentionally doing poorly Yeah...
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Is anyone that picked fuel injection under 30? I never thought of that since it's been standard on cars almost my entire life.
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Deeters posted:Is anyone that picked fuel injection under 30? I never thought of that since it's been standard on cars almost my entire life. Cars have been around longer than all of us, I took the spirit of the question to mean for the entire history. I chose the automatic transmission because that was one of the things that made cars easier to use. Cars are more and more automatic now leading to the autonomous car. In this vein I could have picked the mechanical advance distributor, since you have to manually adjust timing on a Model T Ford. But I wanted to be a little sheepy! The three pedal layout was good too. Or seat belts as a starting point for safety. Or a hard top.
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Deeters posted:Is anyone that picked fuel injection under 30? Probably not  It really is a huge difference in how an engine behaves. Moreso with modern fuel injection than TBI / early Bosch Jetronic garbage, but still. Electronic ignition is right up there with it. With a carb and points, you could have an engine where nothing was really "wrong" but all the tolerances and unpredictable behaviors stack up the wrong way during certain conditions and now it's going to run poorly or not at all. With computerized fuel injection and electronic ignition, it's going to fire right up unless something is actually broken.
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I'd have gone with computer just mainly because while fuel injection has been a real game changer, mechanical fuel injection really isnt that big of a difference over a carb. You just cant do all the micro adjustments with anything less that a ECU watching over the whole thing. Also you cant have EV's as they now stand without ECU's everywhere in them. Hell, look at most answers and at their core they couldnt really have happened and gotten developed like they have without ECU's or computers. Glovebox big enough for a axe would be designed by CAD now to maximise the use of space in ways car makers just couldnt even 40 years ago. No one else picked NSU Ro80
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Question 9: When a road car engine exceeds this power-displacement ratio (in horsepower/litre), I sit up and think, “yeah, that’s pretty powerful!”   Question 10: Italy has a long and storied history of auto manufacturing. This brand from Italy is the one I love the most.    Answers soon...
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 Mondial. That's like the guy with the Jalpa that we laughed at in the late '80s because it was the baby Lamborghini. Seriously, though... did Jalpas do anything other than fade into ignominy?
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Question 9: When a road car engine exceeds this power-displacement ratio (in horsepower/litre), I sit up and think, “yeah, that’s pretty powerful!” 100-110 hp/L - 22 No Wake sirr0bin IOwnCalculus InitialDave Elmnt80 slothrop Elephanthead Somewhat Heroic CannonFodder Beverly Cleavage SharkyTM superdylan meatpimp Bajaha Charles Nitrospazzz LloydDobler builds character Grakkus Terrible Robot Fender Anarchist pr0craztinazn 120-130 hp/L - 10 NumbersMatching320i nadmonk Wrar Slung Blade Korwen Deeters CornHolio StormDrain heffray Nebakenezzer 150-160 hp/L - 9 Seat Safety Switch Liquid Communism The Royal Nonesuch luminalflux Kazinsal Maksimus54 eaten by a grue nitsuga Bentai 200-210 hp/L - 5 McTinkerson Stevobob Powershift Dadliest Worrier Modus Man Less than 80 hp/L - 4 Fermented Tinal The Door Frame cursedshitbox Alarbus ACES: Enough to pull a priest off a choirboy - CAT INTERCEPTOR 130-140 hp/L - bolind 170-180 hp/L - toplitzin 1:1 - ephphatha 110-120 hp/L - turb 400 - Chunjee 69:420 - Freelop Question 10: Italy has a long and storied history of auto manufacturing. This brand from Italy is the one I love the most. Ferrari - 21 Liquid Communism The Royal Nonesuch toplitzin sirr0bin IOwnCalculus luminalflux Somewhat Heroic SharkyTM Chunjee StormDrain heffray eaten by a grue meatpimp Deeters Slung Blade Freelop Dadliest Worrier Modus Man Fermented Tinal Bentai Grakkus Alfa Romeo - 11 Stevobob Seat Safety Switch bolind nadmonk Maksimus54 Beverly Cleavage Wrar Powershift LloydDobler builds character Terrible Robot Lamborghini - 10 No Wake Elmnt80 CannonFodder Nebakenezzer superdylan Bajaha pr0craztinazn Korwen Alarbus Fender Anarchist Lancia - 5 McTinkerson CornHolio slothrop Elephanthead turb FIAT - 4 The Door Frame NumbersMatching320i InitialDave nitsuga ACES: Rust - CAT INTERCEPTOR Iveco - cursedshitbox Bianchi - ephphatha Maserati - Kazinsal De Tomaso - Charles Alpine - Nitrospazzz
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