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razorrozar posted:if you do not see the difference between mocking someone for something they have control over like being a Star Citizen fan and mocking someone for something they have no control over like being transgender then we have very little to say to each other, im afraid I said that it seems right now she's being mocked for the posts she made, not being transgender. I don't know if you're purposely ignoring where I said that. Being rightly angry at transphobia doesn't mean you can't also make posts that non transphobes would consider bad/laughable/whatever. The example of star citizen was to try to divorce the two things, since presumably you can see the concept of mocking a poster who makes bad star citizen obsessed posts without that mocking being intrinsically related to their identity as a person. The Saddest Rhino posted:Lol at equating being trans with posting about star citizen And people complain about bad faith posting lol But yeah, peace, I don't post in fyad or trans threads, have at it.
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I don't understand how this compares. I'm not chasing you into other threads, you responded to me and asked me to elaborate in an accusatory tone, and snidely accused me of whining. Why exactly am I the sealion here? I have not said a single hostile thing to you or to anyone. Like I honestly don't know how to word it. I've deleted and rewritten this post probably four times because I cannot think of a way to even talk calmly about it without appearing to be trying to rile people up. It's loving stressful and I don't know how to respond to someone quoting a comic of a silly sealion at me as if I'm transgressing something. edit: it's also one in the morning and I'm quite tired. But these forums set me on edge real badly lately. It loving sucks.
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razorrozar posted:if you do not see the difference between mocking someone for something they have control over like being a Star Citizen fan and mocking someone for something they have no control over like being transgender then we have very little to say to each other, im afraid I think the point being made is that they’re not mocking her for being trans but because her posts loving suck and that if she posted the same way about anything else the reactions would be mostly the same
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Dec 28, 2019 09:02
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I don't know if I've ever come into a thread before to stand up for one specific poster but Heath has posted in PYF for years and I think he is currently being mischaracterized and attacked for no good reason.
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Dec 28, 2019 09:04
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Snow Cone Capone posted:content! Here's an extremely wholesome story out of SA-Mart of all places: Lodge North is cool.
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Dec 28, 2019 09:04
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Please everybody just take a few moments and read the nice SA Mart story.
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Please everybody just take a few moments and read the nice SA Mart story. 100% goodmine material with that thread
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Dec 28, 2019 09:14
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:I don't know if I've ever come into a thread before to stand up for one specific poster but Heath has posted in PYF for years and I think he is currently being mischaracterized and attacked for no good reason. I don't think I'm being attacked, but I appreciate it. Tbh I just have a lot of anxiety about posting lately. Sometimes I like to just throw out thoughts for discussion and I'm always afraid of being taken the wrong way. I like you guys, I wouldn't post here if I didn't.
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Dec 28, 2019 09:15
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I absolutely believe that FYAD created a thread about a specific trans poster who vocally called them out as bigots because said trans poster's posts are objectively the most mockable. I am glad to see that FYAD has learned to cope with the rules that were newly imposed on them in a healthy way that demonstrates understanding of said rules and why they were implemented.
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Dec 28, 2019 09:18
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The sealion comic is about a wealthy white woman being racist and getting trolled for it
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Dec 28, 2019 09:20
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wondermark posted:It has been suggested that the couple in this comic, and the woman in particular, are bigots for making a pejorative statement about a species of animal, and then refusing to justify their statements. It has been further suggested that they be read as overly privileged, because they are dressed fancily, have a house, a motor-car, etc. This is, I suppose, a valid read of the comic, if taken as written.
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Dec 28, 2019 09:23
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The sealion comic is about a wealthy white woman being racist and getting trolled for it This is objectively correct and I don't care what the author says to try to hide this fact.
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Dec 28, 2019 09:28
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Whole lot of brand new posters arriving in this thread tonight, and hardly anyone else but them talking for a while there.
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To bring some mirth in, the CATS thread had a Champagne Socialist Theory Man crash in to complain how musicals are inherently bourgeois because in reality time never stops for the working proletarian to have a song and a dance. Everyone promptly starts making fun of him, good laughs were had.sure okay posted:Its all about how you instinctively react to the concept of the “time out.” To me, Time Outs always snap my suspension of disbelief. Like someone pulling out a ray gun during a period piece. It rings false, no matter the context, because my life is not one where that sort of thing is afforded.
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in closing, i'm a hot fat slut
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The sealion comic is about a wealthy white woman being racist and getting trolled for it Not even trolled, like I will totally admit the tactic people try to apply the term to, is a real thing. People do rely on civility and  to make another side look bad, like the whole 'I'm just asking questions?' shtick.But yeah the dumb comic is a pretty bad example because the sealion in question never really does anything wrong, and yeah if you inserted nearly anything else in there, the woman looks like a bigot. Hell even just inserting a 1st panel where the sealion was being an rear end first would've probably fixed it. If anything she's more guilty of 'sealioning' since she provokes and insults the other person then plays the victim because they won't drop it or completely capitulate when she's trying to set the rules of the conversation. It's also interesting that every time that comic comes up there's a discussion of who really is in the wrong, not just on this forum I think the author has commented on wishing they hadn't made it just because of how much it's overshadowed their other strips. It'd be like if the only garfield we talked about was when john drank dog jizz Edit: ah someone posted one of the lovely defenses the author published. Like you can always just admit 'oh I can see how you read it that way, it wasn't intended that way' instead of digging deeper to justify yourself Coolness Averted has a new favorite as of 10:04 on Dec 28, 2019 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The sealion comic is about a wealthy white woman being racist and getting trolled for it lol welp can't unsee that now
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Coolness Averted posted:Not even trolled, like I will totally admit the tactic people try to apply the term to, is a real thing. People do rely on civility and For a definition of 'never does anything wrong' which includes intruding into someone's home, stalking their every moment, and demanding they engage with you at every turn...
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barbecue at the folks posted:To bring some mirth in, the CATS thread had a Champagne Socialist Theory Man crash in to complain how musicals are inherently bourgeois because in reality time never stops for the working proletarian to have a song and a dance. Everyone promptly starts making fun of him, good laughs were had. 'I am literally unfamiliar with a genre or format but have very strong feelings as to why it is inherently an affectation of the rich. For example, never once in my life have I ever said the opposite of my argument, befuddling my opponent who reactively shouts out my position instead, only to be shot in the face. This makes bugs bunny a class traitor for advocating improper praxis' There's good arguments for why theatre should be more 'of the people,' and it's usually outside their price range, but yeah a movie adaptation of a musical is probably the least guilty of that.
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Dec 28, 2019 10:17
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Liquid Communism posted:For a definition of 'never does anything wrong' which includes intruding into someone's home, stalking their every moment, and demanding they engage with you at every turn... Excuse me, I didn't invite you to comment on my post, sealion much?  edit: but in seriousness it's a bit silly to claim 'no no the fact I portrayed the butt of my joke as an animal and not a person shouldn't be looked into, nor should the fact my protagonists have all the trappings of wealthy elites, don't take things literally, but yes the animal is also breaking and entering.' Coolness Averted has a new favorite as of 10:24 on Dec 28, 2019 |
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Liquid Communism posted:For a definition of 'never does anything wrong' which includes intruding into someone's home, stalking their every moment, and demanding they engage with you at every turn... the sea is the sealion's home
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Coolness Averted posted:Edit: ah someone posted one of the lovely defenses the author published.
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Xarbala posted:lol It's hard to swallow the justification that the author had the foresight to make the sealion a sealion rather than a human so that it would abstract the connotations of their social group, but didn't think to apply that logic to the human beings in the comic, who have unambiguous privilege. The comic conveys its point poorly.
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Heath posted:It's hard to swallow the justification that the author had the foresight to make the sealion a sealion rather than a human so that it would abstract the connotations of their social group, but didn't think to apply that logic to the human beings in the comic, who have unambiguous privilege. The comic conveys its point poorly. Everyone in the comic dresses in the olde time upper class fashion, you are reading way too much into it. I guess goons can't help but to PBF comics when given the chance, though?
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What I would really like to see is a picture of Kramer from Seinfeld as a sea lion. That would be a really funny image to me.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The sealion comic is about a wealthy white woman being racist and getting trolled for it being a woman sucks
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watho posted:I think the point being made is that they’re not mocking her for being trans but because her posts loving suck and that if she posted the same way about anything else the reactions would be mostly the same I don't really like this post since I don't particularly find anything worthwhile mocking about her posts other than that she's angry to a level that is unproductive; I'm not sure what calling lowtax an rear end in a top hat over and over again will get you since he's the one person that cannot be circumvented or removed from this site. I do feel a little isolated from the trans community in here in that I don't share a lot of interests with them and am a bit younger than a lot of posters here by a decade or so, and also I've said some lovely things about trans people I regret out of frustration with how slow my goal to pass all the time seems to be going, so I don't think it's wise for me to butt in beyond just posting my thoughts, though. I don't really gain anything from defending lowtax or from trying to calm down people who have a different perspective on this issue since I feel like it's been handled fairly ok by the admins and mods so far (compared to the last time I tried to call out a poster on there for being super transphobic, I ate a week long probation because "well she doesn't post outside FYAD, so why care?", so big improvement to see that same poster finally get something for being really awful to fellow trans people) but they don't seem to view it that way.
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SunAndSpring posted:I don't really like this post since I don't particularly find anything worthwhile mocking about her posts other than that she's angry to a level that is unproductive; I'm not sure what calling lowtax an rear end in a top hat over and over again will get you since he's the one person that cannot be circumvented or removed from this site. I do feel a little isolated from the trans community in here in that I don't share a lot of interests with them and am a bit younger than a lot of posters here by a decade or so, and also I've said some lovely things about trans people I regret out of frustration with how slow my goal to pass all the time seems to be going, so I don't think it's wise for me to butt in beyond just posting my thoughts, though. I don't really gain anything from defending lowtax or from trying to calm down people who have a different perspective on this issue since I feel like it's been handled fairly ok by the admins and mods so far (compared to the last time I tried to call out a poster on there for being super transphobic, I ate a week long probation because "well she doesn't post outside FYAD, so why care?", so big improvement to see that same poster finally get something for being really awful to fellow trans people) but they don't seem to view it that way. Well, they were doing jack poo poo all about it before we complained, so I'm not really sure what to tell you.
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bloom posted:Yes, funny. Maybe you don't find them to be that but some do. FYAD continues to be transphobic as gently caress, at least ADTRW cooled it on the mangas about nude children.
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Anarchist Mae posted:Well, they were doing jack poo poo all about it before we complained, so I'm not really sure what to tell you. Basically this. Who What Now posted:FYAD continues to be transphobic as gently caress, at least ADTRW cooled it on the mangas about nude children. And also this. One was changed/purged, the other continues.
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sourdough posted:if she'd made those posts as a Star Citizen subforum poster complaining about fyad mocking Star Citizen-obsessed people in that forum (like replace trans with star citizen in her posts), she'd be getting no sympathy as a victim of fyad bullying. Yes, it turns out if you completely change the context of a situation it very much looks like a completely different thing. Somebody get this modern-day Sherlock a stack of cold cases to solve! E: sourdough posted:I said that it seems right now she's being mocked for the posts she made, not being transgender. I don't know if you're purposely ignoring where I said that. Being rightly angry at transphobia doesn't mean you can't also make posts that non transphobes would consider bad/laughable/whatever. The example of star citizen was to try to divorce the two things, since presumably you can see the concept of mocking a poster who makes bad star citizen obsessed posts without that mocking being intrinsically related to their identity as a person. The posts she's made are intrinsically linked to the fact she is transgender, you galaxy-brained dunce. Who What Now has a new favorite as of 12:35 on Dec 28, 2019 |
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Who What Now posted:FYAD continues to be transphobic as gently caress People keep saying this but it seems to boil down to "making fun of Cascade's terrible angryposting is transphobic" which is an odd position to take. My posts have been called bad, and rightly so, but I don't take it as an insult to my sexuality or nationality or any other aspect of my real life self.
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bloom posted:People keep saying this but it seems to boil down to "making fun of Cascade's terrible angryposting is transphobic" which is an odd position to take. I'm real sick of having to explain why what they're doing is transphobic, how many trans people does it take to convince you there might be a problem?
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The first thing they did in the new forum was rush to create threads making fun of the idea of not using slurs. They still honestly think in 2019 that words like "t**nny" or "n**ga" are just "bad words" like saying gently caress or bitch, and not denigrating garbage that dehumanizes vast swathes of people while using ancient 2006-era arguments about having minority members excusing their behavior en masse somehow. They argued for months, if not years in QCS, that their hyper specific community context of two dozen posters somehow excuses this based on some self-imposed, arbitrary metric of irony and "it's just a joke." That managed to completely derail and stall any progress towards uprooting that shithole and bringing it to modern, non-moron standards, for ages. When it comes to brass tacks, you cannot take anything they say at face value. They've made forum careers out of skirting the rules. It's virtually a skill they've developed just keeping their posts shy of blatant bigotry. Even if a trans poster was being a shithead regardless of identity, you cannot sincerely accept their protestations that it was posting quality that inspired their mocking. There is an undercurrent of mocking identity under virtually all their posts. The current forum drama is awash with that context.
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Please stop. This isn't qcs  Like seriously I wanna read about weird things like knothole pisser and cat crawl guy not repeating arguments that will endleslly repeat in a circle and get the thread locked
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bloom posted:People keep saying this but it seems to boil down to "making fun of Cascade's terrible angryposting is transphobic" which is an odd position to take. Posting "lol look at this angry trans, why is it so angry that we're lovely to it? lol beer farts long face" is still transphobic even if they don't use slurs. This is the easiest poo poo in the world to understand.
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Anarchist Mae posted:I'm real sick of having to explain why what they're doing is transphobic, how many trans people does it take to convince you there might be a problem? Maybe if someone said something other than "i'm not gonna explain it" or "gently caress off bigot" it would be easier to understand. I'm not trying to be a dick or a sealion or whatever, but I've kept an eye on all this drama cause I have too much time on my hands and it seems to me like the problematic fyad posters have been getting banned at a decent rate. UCS Hellmaker posted:Please stop. This isn't qcs They really should open qcs to stop every forum from becoming qcs. That being said you're right and I'll stop posting about this itt.
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bloom posted:People keep saying this but it seems to boil down to "making fun of Cascade's terrible angryposting is transphobic" which is an odd position to take. maybe you should take them as an insult to your real life self because whoever's behind the bloom account posts like an rear end in a top hat
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